Ah, gives this insomniac something to read. And I don’t mind the long blogs. I’m just happy Albert and the guys got the win, Troy being in it, he’s been having issues at the plate and at 3rd. Chris Perez makes the 9th inning fun to watch again.

thanks as always, bernie for the informative blog…. i don’t think the incident with Villanueva and Pujols was the sole reason for the comeback but i think it helped…they just couldn’t get the job done with runners in scoring position before the 8th inning and i think they got a spark, after that punk had to yell at the cardinals dugout …i guess the brewers don’t like when albert is angry ….

i wish the brewers had some sort of class there..but i just can’t find it..i like cory hart, hardy , sheets..those guys play hard and don’t try to show up the other team..everybody else, i can’t say the same about..ned yost has no control over them whatsoever … just seems odd he was under bobby cox for a few years, bobby wouldn’t allow any of this crap to happen….but anyways

chris perez = cardinal closing stud for years to come.. other than the double he gave up he was unhittable

Oh, I forgot to add something. (oops) The Brewers are a good team, I can’t understand why they act like that either. Drives me crazy. Mobbing home plate, yeah, untucking your shirt, can’t you wait until you’re in the locker room to do that? I’d be mad if The Cardinals did that.

how about 3 words….Chris FREAKING Perez!!!!!

Bernie, no need to apologize for breaking your vow. I for one like your blogs no matter how long or how short they are. I thank you for writing all of Albert’s comments. To me, it really helped to bring more clarity to the squabble between him and Carlos Villanueva. I too don’t understand why the Brew Crew has to be so arrogant. No excuse for that kind of classless, unsportsmanlike unprofessional behavior. Speaking of gestures, whether they be obscene or not, one particullar player gesture comes to my mind. Remember the Garry Templeton obscene gesture to Cards fans at the old Busch Stadium in 1981? And what later happened to him? He got traded on December 10, 1981 to the Padres along with Sixto Lezcano and a player to be named (Luis DeLeon) for Ozzie Smith, Steve Mura and a player to be named (Al Olmsted). My point is to me it’s ironic that these gestures - 27 years apart - have helped ignite the Cards when the Cards needed to be ignited. Templeton’s helped the Cards to win in 1982 and only GOD above knows just how far this latest ignition will take our Cards in 2008.

To all, sorry for my long comment. I just wanted to share a little food for thought. Go Cards!

Just one more thing. I think we have to give some credit to Villanueva for acting obnoxious and the rest of the credit goes to the Cards for knowing what to do about it and when. I too would much rather give Sir Albert and the Cards all the credit but we have to be realistic. Without Carlos’ 7th inning foolishness, the Cards might not have went on to win the all important game. Albert’s not really known for late game heroics as the vast majority of the time he’s been walked - either intentionally or the ever-so-famous unintentional intentioanl.

Try these three words: Chris Habanero Perez!!!

I have to agree with these comments Bernie and your columns today were great! Thanks for keeping us so well informed. I felt a lot of the excitement and energy of the game due to the writers and excellent photographs of Chris Lee.

Like tig80 I am often up early and topping that I live 1590 miles from Busch, so in the summer (OK all winter too) I first turn to you, Derrick, Joe and Gordo as the source of the News of Los Birdos.

Having lived in Mexico for 2 years as a young man I can imagine what was said by Villlanueva. What most Americans don’t understand is the personal feud that is now in place between those two. now and forever, UNTIL Villanueva apologizes to Albert personally. These things are a matter of respect and this is held in very different manner that we do here. Latinos may be poor but they are clean and reverent. They accept things like infirmity with an attitude of humility and “God’s will” which we driven Gringos mostly don’t get….so Albert was raised in this culture and has a ton of it in his background. Albert has achieved a level of greatness which places him in a position of leadership. And his personal ethics show a deep sense of pride but it is also demonstrated with great class and respect for other players and teams but above all the game.
I would not want to be Sr. Villanueva facing Albert again this year. He is very lucky the Brew Crew doesn’t have any more games against us (unless of course - a single game tie-breaker were to become necessary). I could see a screaming line drive off the bat of Albert and the ball inserted right in Sr. Villanueva’s mouth or perhaps other places.

Choteau, Montana

Thank you Señor Villanueva . . . . idiot.

Unfair to expect a franchise to “act like you’ve been there before” when your oldest player - 39-year old Brian Shouse - was a pimple-popping 14 year old the last time you’d been there.

Hell, Villanueva wasn’t even part of a Planned Pregnancy program yet.

Remember this moment…its the start of the Card’s playoff drive, and the Brewer’s collapse.

I don’t think Villanueva caused the rally….but, if you can cause dissention in the brewer’s clubhouse by saying it did, then why not blame it?

Can we hold off the mets?

so, will it be until next spring when Tony finally annoits Perez the closer?

“Just one more thing. I think we have to give some credit to Villanueva for acting obnoxious and the rest of the credit goes to the Cards for knowing what to do about it and when. I too would much rather give Sir Albert and the Cards all the credit but we have to be realistic.”

^ That’s exactly right, Louie Bird, In 16 innings of play against the Brewers prior to the incident, the Cardinals had been outscored 15 to 1 and had gone, IIRC, 1-15 with runners in scoring position with 15 LOB (an oddly beautiful symmetry, no?) with some sloppy play, especially on Tuesday. Immediately following ‘the incident’, they scored four smartly earned runs, quadrupling the combined output of their previous 16 innings of play.

IMO the Cardinals were beaten up mentally; a 12-0 drubbing for your seventh straight loss to a division opponent can do that, especially when you’re currently losing *again* a game your ace started. Villanueva’s antics got Pujols fired up, and credit El Hombre (with all due respect to D. Goold) and the rest of the team with harnessing that energy and channeling it into something positive.

The incident absolutely sparked the team. Perhaps that’s an indictment of sorts - it shouldn’t take an insult in a series that’s almost 90% complete to get these guys fired up about playing their closest (in the standings) division rival late in the season. But I’ll take the results anyway.

-RBB

Forgive my brain fart - of course, it’s Joe Straus (!!!) with the El Hombre/El Diablo alteregos, not Goold.

And re: The guy who pitches the end of games when the Cardinals are winning but not by too much and preserves the lead and thus ensures a victory…

Since his return, Perez has pitched 8.1 innings in eight appearances. In those eight closi.., er, end-of-game situations, he’s allowed 3 hits and 3 four walks, and struck out 12. That’s right, he’s K’d twice as many batters as he’s allowed to reach base. He’s been unscored upon since his recall. Small sample size, yes, but that makes for an 0.00 ERA, a 4/1 K/BB ratio, and a .86 WHIP. I suppose that will have to do until we can find a “closer”.

Need I say I <3 Chris Perez?

-RBB

hey, if the brewers DO make the postseason and beat the cubs…they can take their freakin pants off for all I care!!!

Until then, shut your mouths and play ball. by the way, did anyone else LOVE Braun’s little smirk at Perez, and then he got schooled!

Bernie, I think it is important that you support the Cardinals but as reporter you need to get the facts straight. I am a Cardinals fan but I don’t like erroneous reporting. Your article indicates the “Cardinals say…Vallanueva pointed into their dugout.” Why didn’t you check the replay to verify if this was correct? As the overhead reply shows, Villanueva was excited and pumped his arms, but he did not point at the Cardinal dugout until after Pujols ran towards him and pointed his bat at him. After watching the replay and hearing Pujols postgame comments, he is coming off as very hypocritical and contradictory. Likewise, don’t throw stones at glass houses if you don’t like the way the opposing team runs the bases after homeruns when Pujols does the exact same thing. I love the Cardinals and the “homer” reporting you offer, I just beleive you need to get the facts before rendering an opinion.

Seriously are all you retarded? Whats wrong with the brewers untucking their jersey’s? And how do you diss Ryan Braun for looking at his home runs, but when Poo holes hits one he just stands there, more than braun does and watch. and 6 seconds later he decides to trot. give me a effin break! All you fans are just upset that WE the milwaukee brewers, the joke of MLB 5 years ago beat you in the season series 10-5. Also, Villy is one of the most nicest players on the brewers team. He never does anything wrong and he was just pumped up about getting out of that inning. Poo holes is just a lil baby who is a pore loser. All you fans and journalists are pathetic. If you dont like losing to milwaukee…beat them. but it appears you cant do that obviously this year. If Poo holes woulda started a fight with the brewers, we all know the brewers would have won the fight. All you guys are weak links except poo holes. even though you have ankiel who is on steriods. We got Fielder and CC and then kapler and weeks. heck our bullpen pitchers would even when a fight with some of your regular every day players. I thought the cardinals were the “most classy team” in MLB. But i see them throwing their helmets and being the biggest babies in the league right now. Just cause you wont make the playoffs doesnt mean you got to whine about it. grow up.

BREWERS IN PLAYOFFS ‘08

Great game last night, that is why I love watching Pujols. Sticks up for his team then goes out and LEADS the comeback the very next inning. I bet the Brewers wish they had a leader like that.

And Perez was a beast…striking out Braun and the so-called Vegetarian Fielder…very impressive.

I hate to say it, but if the Cubs and Brewers meet in the playoffs I’ll have to root for the Cubbies. The Brewers remind me of some of the high school kids I play in recreational roller hockey leagues.

You clowns make me laugh. Poo-holes points to the sky after every damn hit, which more or less shows up the pitcher. So, Senor Hypocrite does it more than anyone in baseball.

And, ummm, they just started to pull the jerseys out after Cameron joined. And how is Villanueva a journeyman, he’s only played for one team?!? A journeyman is a scrub like Suppan, or Lohse, or Isringhausen, or etc ….

Boy, if you guys get all worked up with the Brewers antics, I’d hate to see how you crybabies act after Zambrano and Ramirez come to town.

Give it up guys. He never pointed to the dugout. Villy was pumped up for what was, admit it, a huge out. Pujols threw a tantrum. You guys are just looking for a reason to hate the team that is slapping you around this year after using them as a doormat for the last decade.

That was a big win, a come from behind rally over the division rival in a critical, must-win game.

It’s a great start. Now the Cardinals need to sweep someone.

They didn’t sweep the Pirates (against whom this year the Cardinals lost more games than they won), nor could they sweep the lowly Braves. They split with the Brewers.

Winning two of three is not going to be enough. Most number crunchers I have read say the Cardinals need to play .700 ball to secure the wild card.

Milwaukee showed their crucial weakness, one which their front office failed to address. They lack veteran leadership.

The team has few veterans, and the ones they have (notably, Mike Cameron) are not the kind to provide the right type of leadership. When the going gets tough for the Brewers, they tend to blow up and/or fold. Last night, they did both.

While Milwaukee may fade in the stretch, the Phillies and Mets are both coming on strong. Both will play many games against two bad teams (the injury riddled Braves and the woeful Nats) in September. One will win the East Division. The other will likely emerge as the Cardinals’ primary wild card rival.

As for Chris Perez: Had Tony two months ago trusted him to close games, the Cardinals would be chasing the Cubs instead of the wild card. Tony in 2006 went to Adam Wainwright only after all other options (notably, Braden Looper, who failed twice to save games before Wainwright was given his first ninth inning opportunity) came up empty. This year, while trying everything and everyone except Perez, the bullpen blew game after game.

Sometimes the team wins in spite of Tony rather than because of him. Can, in the next month, the Cardinals and Tony reprise 2006 and produce another miraculous ending?

It all starts in Houston. If the Cardinals are to sweep one series and win the other, is not Houston the more likely candidate to be swept?

It’s time for the Cardinals to get it done on the field.

Wow! Where to start?
Bernie,
You are a man with more class than this.
I realize you are wearing the Cardinal colored glasses but let’s be honest, the Brewers are a better team right now.
Why follow that up with comparrisons to Ron Artest? Why get so petty about removing the jerseys after a win?
And was the action of Villanueva really that bad? No one would be talking about it if Albert didn’t react.
Don’t get caught up in the side show.
You look foolish when you talk about Tony winning the “coaching dual” against Yost when the season series is so lopsided.
The Brewers players have not gone in the stands and punched fans. They pump their fists and untuck their shirts.
Do you feel the same way about Tiger Woods when he makes a big putt?
Enjoy the game and the excitement that comes with it and let the players enjoy as well.

Ron Artest? For real? The Cardinals and their fans are not the best in baseball, just the most pious. Your team got straight up punked by the Brewers this year and with the Cards having an advange of hosting three more games at Busch. The untucking thing seems to offend only the easily bruised feelings in the StL. You don’t want to see. Don’t let the team beat you five of the alst six in your house.

Bernie, why didn’t you even mention that the Cardinals threw at Ryan Braun’s midsection, at an injury that’s been giving him trouble for three weeks? St. Louis fans and players seem to be the only ones that don’t realize that Tony La Russa’s Cardinals play cheap, petty baseball. That’s where all this “Brewers showboating” stems from. Payback.

Milwaukee is sorry that St. Louis can no longer back into the playoffs with 83 wins. The central is just too good for your “classy, scrappy” organization. I only wish the Crew had more games down here this year so they could continue the pounding they’ve given them all year.

First off let me say I’m a Cards season ticket holder and lifelong Cards fan. But I have to agree with Ohio Fan. Look at the replay. Villanueva didn’t point at the Cards dugout until Pujols said something. In my opinion it appeared that Carlos was probably walking towards his catcher after getting him out of the jam. Pujols could have interpretted it as something else. After reading a lot of these blogs I feel that a lot of Cards fans come across as baseball snobs. I even realized it when I went to Miller Park in April to watch the birds play. (Thank God for Turnbow or we would have lost). The point was even there Cards fans were running their mouths claiming World Series in April that I was embarrassed to be there.

I guess what I’m trying to say is that no matter how much we can cream ourselves over the good comeback yesterday…the fact is the Brewers have owned us this year. Period. Maybe payback comes next year.

First off, I was incredibly pumped up after that game. It was great to see a rally.

Secondly, I’ve been reading some of the blogs of Brewers’ fans who are commenting repeatedly on how “innocuous” Villanueva’s actions were, how how “stupid” Pujols was for getting in his face, AND for saying that his pointing to the sky or watching his home runs is just as offensive. I have some things to say about these things:

a) Apparently, Villanueva didn’t just make a “fist pump”, which IS totally innocuous, almost expected. I didn’t see what actually happened, because all the footage focuses on the pop-up, Albert going off, etc. However, if what happened really DID happen, that is completely unnecessary.

b) Both ways, sometimes stuff happens. People get upset when they’re frustrated, and it’s just human nature to blow up every once and a while when your team just can’t get runs and wins when they really need to do so. And again, if Villanueva taunted the dugout like it seemed like he did, then I don’t blame Albert for going off. The Brewers have a great team, and have fended off the Cardinals and other teams with great pitching and some great at-bats. But you don’t take the win and rub it in someone else’s face.

c) The watching homeruns and pointing to the sky is not in the same group as taunting the dugout. Does it rub it in the face of the pitcher when he watches the home runs? Not necessarily. I can see how someone might think that, as if to say, “I’m admiring my handiwork, I am awesome, etc.” But here’s honestly what I think: if a ball pops up like that, it’s not necessarily a home run. It could be a REALLY long pop-up. Albert doesn’t run well. I think half the time he’s watching to see where it goes. BUT, if he DOES watch his home runs go, really, I’ve seen many players do that, and I haven’t taken it to mean anything other than, “Cool. Home run.”

The pointing to the sky thing: everyone who knows anything about Albert Pujols knows that he is a man of extreme devotion when it comes to his faith. Sure, he makes tons of money, is a power player, is revered by many a fan, but also, he’s a devout Christian. He points to the sky to show reverence, to keep Christ in his life at all times, and to never forget the point of his life. There’s nothing wrong with that- MANY players do that- and honestly, if THAT is taken as an insult, there’s something wrong with you.

One point of contention I do have with some fans is the Brewers untucking of the shirts. It started with Cameron, as an homage to his father, and his teammates adopted it as a way to keep themselves pumped after a game. A lot of people are taking issue with it, and I really believe it matters what context is placed. After understanding WHY, I don’t give a damn. It’s not like they’re taking down their pants and running around like crazy people- they’re just untucking their shirts, in honor of a player’s father. Good on them if that’s what it means, is important, and understood.

Long and short, stuff happens.

So are you a journalist or a cheerleader for the Cardinals?

“But why do the Brewers always have to pull stunts? Why do they have to go knucklehead on us so often?”

Go knucklehead on “us?” How much does the team pay you? Because I was unaware they’ve gone knucklehead on the press box, buy it seems you must take in the games from the dugout. Way to call out the Brewers for watching HR trots while Pujols is the most notorious offender not named Soriano in the game. But in your press release, er, interview of him, you so conveniently let him skirt that issue.

Wow, Villy could’ve handled himself better, I’ll agree, but the Cards are the arrogant ones. Everytime the Brewers are in town, LaRussa and crew are complaining about something. That never happens anywhere else the Brewers go. Maybe it’s the Cards that are a little sensitive. Do the Cards think they are the baseball police? Maybe they should look in the mirror. How many helmuts were flying across the field last night as they pouted like toddlers? To say the shirt untucking is disrespectful is laughable. Sheeeesh, apparently you are a bunch of softies down there. It’s something Mike Cameron has done his whole career in tribute to his father. As a team gesture, they do it together. I’ve never seen such blind hypocrites. LaRussa needs to get off his high horse.

And if you are a journalist, get it right. Villanueva a journeyman? He’s 24 years old! He has every right to get pumped up after that out. Whether he actually pointed at the dugout is questionable. It did look like he glanced over, but my god, get some thicker skin you pansies. With the exception of Braun, I’d say that the team handles itself with class 99% of the time. Ryan is a cocky kid and I’d probably hate him if he wasn’t on the Brewers. The Cards need to start looking in the mirror and realize that they aren’t the second coming. LaRussa is anything but classy (see drink driving, defending roid users endlessly). Toughen up St Louis. This isn’t kidergarten, this is major league baseball. Gotta go, someone just untucked their shirt in front of me. I feel the tears a comin’

How are the rose colored glasses working out for all you in St. Louis today?

This is some good stuff. Hilarious. Hey, thanks Albert Pujols and the Cardinals for trying to teach my Brewers the right way to play the game. Because you are the experts right? The keepers of all that’s holy in baseball?

So have the Brewers been deficient in slamming down helmets after making outs this season or what? I don’t really recall that happening this season, yet I see it twice in one game out of those “classy” Cardinals who only know how to “respect the game”.

Also, loving the beanball on Braun and right to the ribs where he’s been fighting an injury too. Lip smacking classy-ness.

And you’re still whining about the Brewers untucking their shirts after they win a game? Really? Seems to me there’s a sure fire way to prevent that from happening. Maybe it’s time to man up and explore those options before crying to mommy.

Also, love the “journeyman” comment about Villanueva. Classy. Uh, if you’re going to write a baseball blog, it would help if you had some knowledge about what you were writing about. He’s spent his whole major league career so far with the Brewers. It’s his second full season and third year total. He’s got the talent and potential to be a solid starter. He’s 24 years old. But yeah, “journeyman”…nice.

Preach away minister. I would expect a team would get tired of dropping 10 out of 15 games in a season, but to just start whining like 5 year olds? Wow.

Honestly, if you guys only knew how this (Cardinals complaints) is being talked about in Milwaukee and Wisconsin. We’re flabbergasted. We’re like, “Seriously?” The watching homeruns thing, ok we get that. But all this other pissy stuff, it’s really amazing how big of an issue is being made of it. And folks, we’re not feeling too sorry for you.

Enjoy your off season at home watching our thug Brewers in the playoffs.

That’s right Albert…you don’t like it when guys disrespect the game…..LAY OFF THE JUICE LOSER!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey Bernie…
I think winning 10 of 15 allows the Brewers to untuck their shirts.

A point in Bernie’s defense. Do you guys know what journeyman means? Not an apprentice, not a master? A young guy who travels around getting experience from other tradesmen? It means he’s newly minted, NOT that he’s been around to a lot of different teams and is washed up.

Are Bernie and the rest of you in your twenties. Apparantely, no one remembers 1982 when Joaquin Andujar, one of the most arrogant, disrespectful, hotheads in baseball use to ’shoot’ down the base runner as he was running to first with his hand in the shape of a gun. He did that not only in the regular season, but in the World Series as well. That kind of disrespect was allowed by the team and of course opposing players took exception to it all the time. But it still happened. I agree, that Villenueva should not have gestured towards the Cards dugout, but this whining had already begun before the
Brewers even arrived for this series. So, before that incident happened everyone could see that the Cardinals and their fans were just cryin’ that the Brew Crew were flat out woopin’ them in their own backyard.

I believe a journeyman is someone that has been around for a while….longer than an apprentice. Villanueva is not a journeyman…he isn’t even a veteran. A kid…I detest sour grapes on the cards players. See you next year!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bernie…you should have your facts straight about players before you write about them…that is called good journalism. I know you thought Carlos was around for a while that is why you used “journeyman”

Bob Uecker blows away Jack Buck!!!!!!!!!

Such Hypocrisy!! Last time the Crew visited Busch I remember Pujols STRUTTING home from third, both hands raised above his head on Glaus’ RBI 2B in the FIRST INNING of the first game of the series. WOW. This guy is the 2nd biggest prima donna in all of baseball behind MANRAM. He totally glorifies every HR he hits. Wow! Such a hypocrite. Im glad it took CV to get you pumped up in the last week of August Al. I guess the Brewers are always ready to play and dont need antics to fire them up. You got one game back from us Cards fans. U needed to sweep this series. You aren’t making the playoffs. I bet it still tastes sour the way we ripped you for 7 in a row this season. Enjoy Looking up at us in the standings from here on out.

Also, Braun is going to be MVP and when you rip the game from the Cards’ hands in the 9th you can measure it up all you want. Villaneva is NOT a JOURNEYMAN. See Aaron Miles. Get over the untucking of the shirts thing. Who CARES?! The game is over. Get you sorry team back in the dugout. Here’s an idea: Dont want us to untuck our shirts?? Then try winning a game at home. Thats the fact of the matter. We have fun winning.

Whats classless is the way La Russa hits players he thinks disrespects the game. Braun is going to be measuring up HRs on your sorry butts for the next 8 years. Get used to it. He still isnt as classless as Pujols, never will be and Ry is only getting better. Get used to it STL.

You got one game. Enjoy us beating the Cubs in October. Have an ice cold Miller to wipe that taste outta your mouth. You just got owned STL. See ya

Im sure this wont get posted because you guys would hate to read a dissenting opinion for once. Good Luck with third place

Look, I’ll grant that baseball may have created its own idiom that completely misrepresents the longstanding meaning of “journeyman.” On the other hand, if he meant it like tradesman for centuries have meant it, then his claim makes some sense–someone who’s got the skills but isn’t a master yet. If he meant it as “washed up,” then, you’re right, it doesn’t make sense.

First off, I’m a baseball fan. Secondly, I’m a Brewers fan. What we saw last night on the field was exciting baseball. Yes, the Cards beat the Crew, but NO, the Cards didn’t get pumped up by Villa’s fist pump.

I like the Cards, I respect their dominance a few years ago and players on the team. But I see all these people on this blog (including Bernie) complaining about how arrogant the Brewers are.

ARE YOU SERIOUS? Is this your biggest concern? How do you guys act when the Cubs come to town? The Cubs are one of the biggest team of a-holes I’ve ever watched. Their fans? The single worst fans in ALL OF SPORTS. That’s not even an exaggeration. Anyone who has sat in the stands of a Cubs game - doesn’t matter where it is - knows how obnoxious and downright mean Cubs fans are. They have no respect for the game, the players, the city they are in and it’s fans.

Let’s agree that the Cards - Brewers is a fun rivalry and all band together to stick to the Cubs. I’m going to be rooting for the Cards in Sept. when they duel the Cubs. Let’s face it, the Cubs fans need to be humbled. Go Brewers and Go Cards!

The Brewers shirt untucking is totally uncalled for. They should celebrate a win like the Cardinals do.

Sincerely,
Josh Hancock

What is amazing here is that you Cardinal fans are some of the classiest people in baseball, but obviously your beat writer dances to a different tune. Let me educate you Cardinal fans on some things.

1) Brewers untuck their jerseys after each game in honor of Mike Cammeron’s father. Not a sign of disrespect but a sign of respect. If this is something that truly bothers people than you should be in Denver along with all the other liberals who are so sensitive on such ridiculous issues.

2) Carlos Villanueva was pointing to his catcher not your dugout.

3) Pujols along with Arod have the slowest HR trots in the game. Pujols admires everyone of his HITS not just his HR’s. Hey point to the sky after every single….Maybe pitchers should point to the sky after every strikeout. I’m sure they have some relative they could pay tribute to.

4) I guess Albert wasn’t respecting the game when he was thrown out by 4 feet in the AllStar game due to admiring his work, easily should have been a standup double. Thank you Albert probably cost the Brewers homefield in the WS.

5) Troy Glaus…..wow where do I start? Throwing helmets down, yelling at Phil Cussi….pretty much should have been thrown out of the game. Classy

6) Throwing at Braun in retaliation of coming inside on Pujols….

Cardinal fans I think are some of the greatest if not the best fans in the game (Twins fan’s are close) but to sit here and read this garbage of one sided crap is amazing. Yes the Brewers are young and brash……and good. But what you fail to realize is that most of these guys looked up to guys like Pujols and mimic his game and antics. Happy we won the series for the first time since 99 but it would have been nice if Yost would have used Torres in the 8th and 9th and walked out of there with a sweep.

See you in 09

This blog is a joke. While I think La Russa is probably the best game manager in baseball, many also think he is the most arrogant. Bernie did you know that journeyman means you have played for multiple teams. Carlos Villanueva has played for a total of one team so far. Maybe you should understand baseball terminology before you use it. Everyone knows that Pujols showboats, and complaining about teams un-tucking shirts after a game makes you look like sore losers. Of course I guess you guys have seen it more than just about any other team this year. Maybe you should find better things to complain about than shirts after the game ends. Its just something the Brewers do. If the Cardinals did it you would be fine with it. Bernie did you know that to be adequate at covering baseball you have to be a writer first and a fan second. You also have to remember that your Cardinals can spend more money that what the Brewers can. They can afford to keep their players. The Brewers have to do it with shrewd dealing and via the draft. Maybe you should think about these things before you start reminding all of us how many World Series you have won. I am sure the Yankees remind the Rays how many World Series they have won as well.

Bernie -

As a Brewer fan, sorry it took so long to respond. Its hard to hear you over all of this winning were doing.

So Villanueva offended you? But your willing to give a pass to Pujos who shows up pitchers constantly. And wait….you feel that’s ok because Albert told you it wasn’t showing up the pitcher? Give me a break. Do you have the same “passionate” criticism for your rival to the north when Zambrano and Marmol act equally as excited as Villanueva on what seems like every strikeout they get?

We’ve watched Albert show up our pitchers long enough. Were tired of your alcoholic manager starting meaningless tiff’s by throwing at our batters. A few years back, the collective thought in Milwaukee was that we were happy to see the Cards win the WS because, like Milwaukee, its a great baseball town with logical baseball fans. Too bad the same can’t be said about their beat writer.

Buy Tony a shot on me and enjoy writing about the Billikens come October

Great to see a new rivalry blossoming.

I noticed on Tuesday when the Brewers smacked the Cardinals, that it’s obvious how long it’s been since the Brew Crew has beat up on the Cardinals. All those year’s of frustration are coming out both on the field and in the stands.

As my name suggests I am a brewer fan who had to share a little light on some of your concerns. Obviously what CV did last night was stupid and the game has no place for it. However, lets not think that the Cards are immune to arrogance. Baseball players are professional athletes at the highest of levels so I would like to think that all you have to tell little kids is watch what “they do” and you will be alright. However that is not the case or we would have guys pointing to dugouts, or standing and watching home runs like guys like Pujols and Braun do regularly. Just remember it goes both ways, and if you havent noticed Tony Larussa smells of arrogance a mile away. Finally, as for the shirt untucking thing that was brought by Mike Cameron who is one of the most well respected veterans in the game. It symbolizes that the work day is over and its time to untuck your shirt. If that is an arrogant attitude than you are out of touch with reality. Just remember try not to be such a homer!

Typical STL. I lived in your dump for two years and have never encountered a more arrogant fan base than the St. Louis Cardinals. Your dominance of the usually weak NL Central is over. Get used to it. And for every alleged “classless act” against your team, I can name 100 “classless acts” against other teams you guys have committed. If you really want this to be a good blog, then ask Villanueava for a follow up and put his account of events up there with Pujols’ account. That is journalism, right? Sorry for showing exuberance during a critical point in the game. Someone outta buzz a fastball at Albert’s chin for every freakin’ time he stands there and watches his HRs.

http://blogs.jsonline.com/brewers/archive/2008/08/28/st-louis-writer-blogs-on-the-brewers.aspx

Come on Albert, get real and lighten up!!

I saw more helmet smashing and called-strike whining by the Cards last night than anything else. It’s funny how perspectives change when a team like the Cards realize it’s not going to happen this year. Sorry guys.

I know Puljos likes to hand out life lessons like he is Jesus, it’s very entertaining. He has both a lot of talent and money, but has turned into quite a baby. No one likes getting beat, especially to the Brewers. They’ve been a punching bag for years. But facts as they are, this is a good year for them. Everyone should be used to it by this point in the season. As for Al, I hope more pitchers go inside on him to back him away from the plate, makes the game more fun. Yes he will take offense to it, because Pujols is very Pujols.

I didn’t like when Braun was hit, that was too bad. I keep hoping every year that Tony will get past that sort of nonsense. I give Ned Yost a lot of credit for not hitting Pujols later in the game. They should be happy Braun’s back didn’t get re-injured, Pujols would have taken a 99mph Seth McClung fastball to the face.

Play ball

An open letter to Albert Pujols,

Let me first clearly state that I am a lifelong Milwaukee Brewer fan. Having stated that, I also wish to make it clear that I’m a baseball fan that enjoys the best that the game has to offer. That enjoyment has included watching the greats in the game play the game. Albert, I have always considered you one of the great ones in the game. I have always seen you as a class act and an ambassador of the game.

I must though tell you that your actions last night were uncalled for. I just don’t see how you can justify your actions against Carlos Villanueva after the 7th inning when your very teammates were disrespecting the game. Where was your angst against disrespecting the game when Glaus and Mather threw their helmets in disgust over failing to get a base hit? Why weren’t you in Glaus’s face when he kept complaining about the strike zone and when he threw his bat and helmet in disgust after striking out (which he should have been ejected for)?

You call Villanueva’s pumping his fist after getting out of a bases loaded jam disrespect, and you feel you need to tell him how he is supposed to conduct himself. But in the very next inning your teammates do the very same thing but you feel no need to police your own house. Glaus’s reaches second base after driving in the go ahead run in the eith, claps his hands and pumps his fist in approval. Where were you? Why were you not out of the dugout pointing a bat at him and letting him know there is no place for that in the game of baseball. He apparently was showing the same emotion that Villanueva showed earlier yet apparently it was OK for Glaus to demonstrate that emotion.

Later in the same inning, Glaus comes home at a play at the plate, slides, then gets up and signals himself safe. Why were you not in his face? Why were you not informing him that it is the umpire’s job to make the call, not Troy’s? Remember Albert, you supposedly respect the game and you apparently have appointed yourself as baseballs official conduct policeman. If you feel the need to police, start in your own house.

You have shown contempt for the Brewer’s tradition of pulling out their shirts after a victory. You feel it is an in your face slap at the team they just defeated. You believe you were slapped 10 times this season by that tradition. Did you ever take the time to understand why they do that? It isn’t an in your face action. It is a tradition that Mike Cameron has done after every win since he has played in the majors. He does it to honor his father. His memories of his father as a child were seeing his dad come home from work and pull his shirt out and relax after a hard days work. The Brewers adopted that as a team to both honor their fathers the same way and to celebrate a hard days work.

Albert, you showboat and admire every homerun you hit. Disrespect for the game isn’t it? You signal to the heavens giving thanks and paying respect to your personal beliefs every time you get a hit, yet the Brewers do something after a win and you take it personal. Your teammates disrespect the game in your words by clapping their hands or pumping your fists and you do nothing. But an opposing player does it and you take exception.

Albert you are seen by many as a class act in your profession. Stay that way. Stop feeling that others disrespect the game when they don’t If you are going to police the game, clean up your act, and the acts of your teammates before you start your crusade across baseball.

This “journalist” seriously compared the actions of the 2008 Milwaukee Brewers to that of Ron Artest. Ron Artest plays basketball. He’s a maniac. He once jumped into the stands and attacked a fan. He also once beat up a woman, starved dogs, and made a freaking rap album. SOMEHOW HE AND ANY EFFING MEMBER OF THE 2008 BREWERS HAVE THINGS IN COMMON?

As a Brewer fan, it pains me to see someone actually post a Jim Rome-like comment regarding Josh Hancock. There’s no call for that. None. THAT is classless, and you certainly do not represent the thoughts of other Brewer fans. Idiot.

As for the Cardinals, Yadier Molina is one of the most emotional players in the game, along with guys like Carlos Zambrano and Carlos Marmol. He’s a punk, plain and simple. For the Cardinals to call out Villenueva was priceless….and Albert Pujols is the pot calling the kettle black.

Tony LaRussa is a good manager, but he’s also one of the dirtiest, and the first to point fingers at everyone else. You think Braun wasn’t drilled on purpose? Please. But it’s OK if the Cards do it, right?

Villenueva was out of line. I don’t like his antics anymore than I like Pujols’, Molina’s, Zambrano’s, or when Bill Hall cadilacced it after beating the Cards with a dinger a few weeks ago.

But the Cardinal fans need to quit being so hypocritical.

And finally, Bernie. Comparing the Brewers to Ron Artest? Can you be serious? How, as a “journalist”, can you be so cavalier and irresponsible? That is absolutely ridiculous.

And you cry about the Brewers’ arrogance while clearly showing yours by claiming that the Brewers have no right to be arrogant since they hadn’t won since 1982.

My God, you are a pitiful excuse for a journalist, and but a good excuse for a fan that has drunk way too much kool-aid. You know, the kind Tony LaRussa makes.

I can’t believe the St. Louis Dispatch stands behind this. This is complete sensationalism to the 10th degree. It’s obvious Bernie that you are auditioning for Pat O’brien’s spot on Inside Hollywood.

Also Bernie,

Rumor has it that Molina hasn’t picked up his catchers gear yet, it’s still sitting at homeplate in Miller Park. Forgot how classy that was.

Folks, take it from someone that spent a couple years in Milwaukee. These are fat, disgusting slobs that have never seen a successful baseball team. They try to create rivalries with STL and CHC b/c they so desperately want to be cared about. They gave up their top prospect (despite what they will tell you) to rent CC. He will be on a coast next year, and Sheets will be in Houston or St. Louis. This is their one chance to matter. Funny thing is, the best they can pull is a WC berth. They will not win this division anytime soon, and if they took a step back, they’d realize the Cubs and Cards are setting themselves up to own this division for at least 5-10 more years, while this is their shot.

Enjoy the rotation of a rehabbing Gallardo, Parra, and Suppan next year folks. If you can’t win it this year, I can confidently say you never will.

By the way, haul your FAT butts down I-55…their are ten flags hanging out in right field. What happened in the only other year the Brewers were relevant? Thats right, we made them irrelevant. And please, tell me not to live in the past, because I know you FAT F***’s have been basqueing in 1982 more than we did…AND YOU GOT BEAT!

You’ve always been losers, you always will be. You will go back to being our doormat in 2009 and we’ll make sure to take up all the good seats at that carnival you call a baseball stadium. You and your FAT, DRUNK friends can grab the bleacher seats and dream of the glory days…of when we beat you in ‘82.

And please tell me how great Milwaukee is. It’s a sh**hole in the shadows of a real city, and you still haven’t gotten over it. Fielder and CC do their best impression of Wisconsinites…FAT SLOBS.

This sounds like sour grapes to me Mr. Mislasz. Should Carlos Villaneuva done what he did, certainly not, but to label him a “chucklehead” or “journeyman” because his emotions got the best of him on one occassion is certainly uncalled for. What’s happening here is a town, their fans, and the teams beat writers looking for something out of nothing. The Brewers took down the Cards 10 out of 15 times this season, several of them in the final at bat. That leads to frustration among the aforementioned individuals and they make mountains out of mole hills. Many, many pitchers get excited when they get a big out in a big moment. I’ve seen many-a-players (including some on the Cardinals) stand and watch a home run (Pujols included). The fact is the Cardinals got their butt’s handed to them this season by the Crew, something they are not used to. Now it seem’s more important to make a big deal out of pulling out their jersey after a win. I don’t hear any other teams fans or teams beat writers making any issue out of what the Brewers fans are doing, including several teams that the Brewers dominated like St. louis. The main problem here is that St.Louis is not used to looking up at the Brewers in the standings. From the perspective of a Brewers fan, get used to it. SCOREBOARD!!!

And Bernie,

Keep on writing. That hack Haudricourt would jump on your job the first chance he got…what’s it like covering a real team, with history, tradition and TITLES???

Thanks realdeal, your fluency speaks well of Cards fans and your home city……
As I said earlier, I know it hurts but don’t worry it will all be over for you at the end of September.

Dear therealdealankiel

Nice to see that a former resident of the state of Wisconsin has such a high opinion of a state you decided to reside in. I thought this debate was about the Cardinals vs Brewers, not comparing the size of each states residents. I’ve been to St.Louis many times and can assure you the slobs and others you mention reside there as well.

And on top of it all, you just lost your sh***y beer company to CHICAGO. WHat’s next, Favre in a Jet’s uniform…oh wait.

Maybe the Packer’s will relocate to Chicago, and then you nothing’s were really have nothing to wake up for.

realdeal,

Arent you cool! making fun of a state and team on blog comment board. I hope i can grow up and be just like you!

Your pathetic. Get a life

Hey Bernie, like you say, Albert got a remarkable, brilliant hit to start the rally. If he says Villawhoozitz provided an extra bit of motivation, I’ll take that and put it in the bank. Troy Glaus is right, of course, that a professional does the best he can at all times. But Albert is more right because he’s talking about inner sources of motivation that are not accessible under ordinary circumstances. They’re a special reserve, available only when summoned by extraordinary circumstances. Albert is not an ordinary human, obviously, so he has more ready access to these inner resources than most of us do, but even he needs an external impetus to reach deep into those wellsprings. Bottom line: It’s possible to try harder than your hardest, and do better than your best, but you need help. Mr. Villanova or waddever (hey didn’t Detroit have a pitcher neamed Newhouse?) provided it. May God bless his dumb ass.

Sometimes this raises the adrenalin level. It’s certainly good for PR and raising player expectations.

Brewer JAGOFFS,

The Brewers will not win a WS. You will never see it happen, the sooner you accept it, the easier it will be on you. The Cardinals have enough (and one recently) that we don’t really have to care this year. We are “rebuilding” and are 14 games OVER .500. Ludwick is having a better season than Braun (don’t try to argue the numbers on this one, you’ll lose), Pujols has left both Braun and Fielder in his dust. We continue to fight off injuries, bring up rookies (you know, the kind that gas the middle of your lineup with 95-98 MPH fastballs and sliders you’ll never hit), and get production out of guys no other manager could. The Brewers are a collection of top draft picks that any team could win with, after being an irrelevant team for DECADES. What was your definition of rebuilding? I know it lasted from 1992-2008…how many times were you 14 over in that time frame?

Even if we miss it this year, we always hold the trump cards. 10 of them. Your jealousy of what has happened in STL is greater than that of Cub fans…and that’s saying something. You are desperate little shi*s that are clinging to this one little season, and when it all falls apart, we’ll be there to stick it in your fat faces. Enjoy another CHOKE JOB like 2007!

To you Brew crew whiners..

Here’s the difference: many players make a@@es of themselves by their emotional boorish, behaviour and could be percieved as disrespecting the game, more likely they are just being foolish for letting their emotions get the best of them. i.e. slaming your batting helmet or throwing/pounding the bat/ leaving catcher’s gear at home plate, staring at home runs/ slow home run trots, etc. Just like children that don’t get their way. While some personal celebration or show of emotion should be tolerated IMO, a fist pump, sign of cross, safe sign, fist in air to celebrate thier success.
HOWEVER,
Doing something like pointing to the opposing team’s dugout is an insult to the entire team, the fans and the organization as a whole. Pulling out shirtails as a team is a collective show of showmanship- even if it has some meaning to the team doing it.
Baseball should clamp down on this cr@p and eject/suspend for actions deemed inappropriate to the game, and/or some jaw jacking might get the same results. I can tell you real men who played the game like Gibson, Rose, Yount, Brett, Williams, Ruth.. to name a few wouldn’t put up with this crab.

“Baseball was, is, and always will be to me the best game in the world.” - Babe Ruth

DON’T SCREW IT UP!!

It’s so great to see the Brewer fan participation in this blog. It’s especially nice to see them come back to their ballpark to watch their team, to post blogs, and actually care about a team other than the one that plays in the frozen green stadium where fans wear cheese on their heads. Welcome back to baseball Brewer fans. Nice of you to get fired up after all these years. As we well know in these parts, baseball can be a beautiful thing ;-).

Hey therealdealankiel:

It looks like that GED is finally paying dividends!! Congrats!!! Everyone in your trailer park must be proud

Sincerely,

EVERYONE with a 5th grade education or higher

When did 14 year olds take over this blog. Not one made any sense. The PD should consider raising the age to post.

If someone would get ejected for pulling out their shirt…that would be the most retarded thing i think i have ever seen.

And TexasT, if you look at the replay villy isnt pointing at the dugout, he is pointing at the catcher and up in the sky…kinda like poo-holes does when he even gets a hit.

I’m a life long cards fan and that was a HUGE win that could mean a lot down the stretch. Pujols is the catalyst and there is no one in baseball that means more to a team than Albert to the Cards.
With that being said, come onnnn Bernie, I for one appreciate a young team that has a exuberance for the game. Even though I love the cards, I respect what the Brewers are doing, they’re exciting to watch. I have no problem with them untucking their jerseys; instead of criticizing them for that, lets spend out time figuring out how to go about beating them the next time.
The fact of the matter is that two very passionate teams met last night and the both wanted to win, one prevailed. The Cards came together and wanted it more.
Bernie, I tend to agree with most of what you say in your blogs and I appreciate your analysis but sometimes you get a little carried away; this is one of those times. You have a journalistic responsibility so please don’t sensationalize issues like this, its very Mariotti-esque.
Go Cards!!!!!

I appreciated your comments. Us folks who get the game via Extra Innings never get to see the postgame shows.

To Realdeal…

You talk like a Cubs fan. Congratulations.

I’m a Milwaukee Brewer fan here and I would just like to clear up some things. First of all a majority of Brewer fans respect the Cards organization and respect you the fans. We view you as respectful fans and we save all of our hate and disgust for those arrogant Cubs fans. With that said the untucking of the shirts thing after the game needs to get cleard up.

The reasons the Brewers untuck their shirts after the game is in honor of Mike Cameron’s father. Cameron througout his career untucks his shirt after every game in honor of his father so the Brewers team started to do that for Mike Cameron in honor of his father. Anyone who knows the truth to that can not be mad that they do that. It’s not show boating, it’s honorable.

Lastly, what Villanueva did was completely wrong and everyone here in Milwaukee is grilling him. That doesn’t mean the whole Brewers team and us fans are disrespectful and arrogant, it means Villanueva is an average pitcher who also happens to be a fool. This blog has a ton of hate for the Brewers and I think it is unsubstantiated. I just don’t see all this arrogance coming from the Brewers that Bernie is throwing out there.

Rick ANkiel is not the real deal.

You sold your beer to Euro’s

I don’t care about 1999 or 2002 or 2007. What matters is now…jabbait.

Rebuilding?????? Serioiusly idiot????? The Cardinals have one prospect in the top 150 in all of baseball. You twit. Your system is so depleated that you couldn’t even make a run to aquire someone at the trade deadline.

You call us drunks, your manager has a DUI and your team has had a player killed in a drunk driving accident. So please keep your lack of morals inside and keep this a baseball forum.

You obviously have no baseball insight or knowledge of how the game works. Your generlizations are so ridiculous that you bring down the rest of the fine people in St. Louis. In fact there is already a notion into having you move to Kansas City.

Laporta our best PROSPECT brought us the best pitcher in the NL. Any team in baseball would make that move if they could have….accept the Cardinals because you have nothing to offer.

Ludwick better than Braun????? Really than why was he platooning with CHRIS FN DUNCAN? Ludwick is a nice player but he is not at the level of Braun and Pujols.

So please keep your ignorant comments coming they are quite comical. Just like the Brewers kicked your A$$ in your home park we are kicking yours on your blogs!!!!

HEE Haw you donks!

44TAF

I apprecaite your comments and clarity on the Cameron situation; however, I speak for many Brewer fans who have no issue with Villanueva getting excited last night. Its the passion of the young players that make this team great. What he did isn’t nearly as bad as the reaction C Zambrano and C Marmol have after every 3rd out.

Give me a break. Way to let Pujols off for his 10-second stares at his homeruns before leaving the batters box by not questioning him further. Because he doesn’t gesture at the other team’s dugout, it’s not classless and showing up the other team? What a joke. And the Cardinals are the most arrogant group of fans/players in baseball, so suck it up an be offended while you watch the playoffs on TV.

therealdealankiel:

Living your pathetic life vicariously through a professional athlete.

And you’re talking smack?

One more thing. Bernie liked to repeatedly point out that the Brewers have won NOTHING. That is true and that’s why are fans are so excited about this year because we finally have an owner who shelled out a little bit of money to put a good team on the field. The Brewers won the season series with the Cards for the first time in how many years, so what’s with all the sour grapes? You guys have a great history, you have great teams, you had Musial and now you have Pujols, you guys have been very lucky like we Packer fans were with Star and Favre for years so why such attacks on the Brewers Bernie? Be respectful like the majority of Card fans are and don’t blow things up bigger than they should be.

After sleeping Wednesday nights victory off I realized Hector, not Carlos
was the “Journeyman”. He played for the Cubs a couple of years and for the Cards in 1993. Oops! still doesn’t make him a “Journeyman”.Oops! He was a catcher. I guess the press box open bar doesn’t cut off after the seventh inning. Mine didn’t either last night.

brewcrewfan,

If Villanueva would have pumped his fist and got excited I would have had no problem with that. However, Villanueva pointed into the Cards dugout and started swearing at Pujols while he continued to walk away. That’s pathetic. The whole game would have probably been different if Gagne came in to pitch the 8th and not Riske but Gagne’s wife was giving birth so he wasn’t available. I think the game would have stayed 3-1 if it was Gagne followed by Torres, but I digress. The way Villanueva taunted them was wrong. That wasn’t just excitement.

As a former Wisconsin resident and UW (Madison) grad, I must say that the Milwaukee fans here are displaying all the annoying and childish behavior of Cheeseheads. Don’t you people ever wonder why the rest of the world laughs at you ?

i think the ‘classier’ team last nite was the one who chose not to retaliate when their star player (Braun) was plunked in his aching ribs. Or maybe the ‘classier’ team is the one with the players and managers who choose designated drivers after a night on the town.

PS: Bernie two words for you you hack: Weight Watchers. Seriously, if you get any bigger the photo of your face is going to take up half the page. Of course then we will be spared from reading your uniformed drivel.

Man, I can’t ever recall seeing a blog ignite so much fury amongst fans of opposing rival teams. It’s kind of fun. This is the way I wish the Cubs rivalry still was. I think all the energy from that rivalry has, in a way, been transfered to this one. And rightfully so. This is the rivalry that still means something for this year, b/c the Cubs, even though I hate to admit it, are playing on another planet over here in the NL. I would’ve thought this was a Brewers fan blog page. This is fun, though.

But, anywho, @ the end of the day, both sides have done things over the course of this past decade to incite each other. Sure, maybe players on both sides have been guilty of watching their home runs or gesturing in ways to “stick it” to the other team. But baseball is a game of high emotion. I love it that Brewers fans are so hopped up over this blog that they’ve infiltrated the site. Shows how desperate they are for some vindication, which they may or may not get out of this season. The odds are on their side, but, in the words of the legendary Ric Flair, “To beat the man, WOO!, you gotta beat the man!” He he

I’ll say this: It would be interesting theatre if this incident sparked the Cards into making a serious run of wins and jumpin’ back in this thing. I didn’t see video of this, so I can’t say who’s right and wrong, but if the Cards wanna say Villeneuva was disrespecting us, and that’s gonna be the fuse that lights the spark that ignites the fire we’ve been searching for, then I’m on board.

I give credit to the Brew Crew. They’ve been the better team head to head this year, and the better team overall up to this point. But we are not @ the finish line yet, so don’t count your chickens before they’re hatched. Never count out a TLR coached team. I’ll admit, I don’t always agree w/everything he does, and he’s not the most likeable manager in MLB, but he’s proven himself to get results and to get the most out of his team.

And another thing: All these accusations from Brewers fans about slamming helmets down and how much whining and bitching and moaning our players and/or manager does throughout the game is nonsense. I love it when Troy Glaus reacts that way, or anyone else for that matter. It shows he really cares about performing well to help this team win and how bad he feels when he doesn’t come thru. I wish more players showed such emotion. Shows his competitive nature. And it shows the fire they have throughout the course of a game. It’s called PASSION, folks.

And to the people ripping Pujols for pointing @ the sky: It’s called FAITH, people. Try havin’ a l’il of it. It’ll brighten up your life.

Here’s to starting the campaigning for Sheets in the STL in ‘08. GO CARDS!!!

Welcome to all the Brewers fans! A few quick responses from me:

# You are right - “journeyman” is an incorrect term for Villanueva. I apologize for the poor word choice.

# As I’ve said many times, I think the Brewers have a really good team. And I have never hesitated to praise them. You want some proof? Go back and read the two prior blog entries to this one. And I picked the Brewers to win the division the last two seasons.

# Call me old school, but I don’t like all of the showboating from a team that hasn’t won anything. Some strutting and cockiness is fine, but a team should earn it first.I don’t think it’s a matter of me getting “carried away” to express a longstanding view. The Brewers don’t need these antics.

# If “Villy” did nothing wrong, then why did your boy Ned Yost criticize him in comments made to reporters after the game? Hmmm.

# I’m a columnist and they pay me to write my opinions.

# The primary purpose of the blog was to relay Pujols’ comments - which obviously are the subject of great interest.

# Congrats to the Brewers for winning the season series from the Cardinals for the first time since 1999. Somehow I suspect Cardinals fans can find solace in the 10 World Series championships their team has won.

# I like it that the Cardinals and the Brewers have a good rivalry going and it definitely heated up this season.

# Thanks for the concern over my weight. Program is going well. Dropped 20 pounds so far. So there extra brats for you.

# Good luck the rest of the way.

-B

To all you Brewer fans:
Let me first start out by saying what a great team you have this year. Your team plays very good baseball and the young talent is sure fun to watch. I wish you the best of luck the remainder of the season.
That being said, I have some real issue with the way you all come onto a STL paper and say the things you are saying. The biggest issue is the comments about Jack Buck and Josh Hancock. Come on, do you really need to go to that level. I thought you had more class than that. Now I know this is not the majority of the Brewer fans but it is still being said AND THAT IS WRONG. THAT IS NOT BASEBALL.
Second, I can see your frustration with Bernie’s story. Pujols does seem to admire his HRs a little too much. I can agree with you on that. But don’t expect us to not question or call out CV’s gesture wether it was into the dugout or to his catcher. We can do that. We are Cardinal fans, just like you have the right to question Pujols’ admiration.
Look, we all love our teams and want them to win. Cheer them on and questions or raz the opposition but to make comments on your opposition’s hometown paper about tragedies shows no class and makes us question your team even more.

Good luck and I hope our Redbirds meet you in the playoffs.

P.S.:

I loved it last night when Braun got plunked. So his ribs are hurtin’ a bit. Well, make ‘em hurt a bit more. It’s called ruthless agression, @ it’s best!

This is how Ty Cobb used to play baseball back in the day, with the spikes up, ready to make that blood flow. It’s just good ole fashioned dirty baseball, TLR-style!

Next time he wants to smirk @ Mr. Perez, maybe he could give him a l’il chin music, eh?

That’s all I got. I’m outta here. Go Cards!!!

ahh..I see so its a-ok then for a CarDUInal pitcher to hit Braun with a pitch…but its not ok for a Brewer pitcher to get excited after you he gets a big out on the mound? What a bunch of hypocrites. Now I am waiting for this fat hack to write an article that is FOR drunk driving. And then all you lemmings who call yourself CarDUInal fans will line up to defend the article. Fun times.

One more time.
Passion is one thing, just don’t mistake it for immaturity or arragonce.
BTW
Albert was in the on deck circle..a heck of a lot closer than we are watching the replay. So, either Villy did point to the dugout as Albert says he did or Albert is one sly fox for stirring up what he figured the ’sleeping giant’ needed and he took his opportunity to do it.

That said, it’s all water under the bridge!
The Brewers certainly have a competative team and kudos for their success. It is good to see they have passionate fans for the ‘greatest game’.
However,
I am not ready to concede to say they ‘will probably make the playoffs’. - that, I think, would mean the Cardinals won’t.
Let’s just play the games between the lines and see how September unfolds.
Who beats the flubs for nl champs???

“What’s up with yanking their shirts out of their pants on the field as soon as they win a game, which, despite what they claim, really is an insult to the other team?”

-Actually, that came from Mike Cameron, who did it as a tribute to his dad. Your right, very insulting….very insulting that you wrote this article in the first place.

“What’s up with some of the showboat HR trots?”

-Amazing that you can go from excusing Pujols for doing the SAME THING, to then criticizing the Brewers for doing that. Can you say “hypocrite?”

“What’s up with a journeyman like Villanueva gesturing wildly and cursing in the direction of the STL dugout?”

-Journeyman?? Check your facts before you attempt journalism…

“I don’t understand why this talented team feels that it needs to act up like NBA bad boy Ron Artest, or something.”

-HUH?? Ron Artest? Did one of the Brewers jump into the stands and beat the snot out of someone? Did I miss something? Or is this just a REALLY dumb comment, from someone who isn’t even totally informed about the team he’s attempting to criticize.

“I don’t understand the arrogance, considering that the Brewers have won NOTHING since 1982.”

-So here you are whining about supposed Brewer “arrogance,” and yet then you pull a snotty little comment like this out of your butt. Nice going! Isn’t the job of a journalist supposed to be somewhat free of emotions, when writing on a subject? Wow, what a whiner…what would you like the Brewers to do, Bernie? Would you like them to bow before the Card’s dugout, every time they leave the stadium? This isn’t the past. The Brewers past failures mean nothing TODAY, because TODAY, the Cards are the ones looking up at the Brewers. You don’t like it? Tell your team to get a better bullpen, and maybe then the Brewers wouldn’t walk all over your team in their own house. I’ve never seen a bigger piece of hypocritical BS in my life. You complain about the Brewers showboating, all while turning a blind eye when the face of your franchise feels the need to do it all the time. Get over yourself, would ya? And take a cold shower, or something. This whole article sounds like you had tears welling up in your eyes the whole time. Calm down, realize this was a dumb article to write in the first place, and then get back to writing. I have nothing but respect for the Cardinals organization, as a Brewer fan. Unlike Cubs fans, whom we can talk trash too, seeing as they haven’t won anything either, we can’t do as such with the Cards. But choosing to compare the Brewers to a POS like Ron Artest, is completely wrong, completely uninformed, and absolute bush-league journalism. I hope some of you can look past the fact that, for once, the Brewers are among the big dogs this year, and that this article is just a giant heap of sour grapes. This was not a bash on the Cardinals, or their players, or their manager. Larussa is brilliant, and Pujols is a first ballot HOFer. I just get upset when “journalists,” choose to step outside the lines of what their job is supposed to entail, and instead write emotional, whiney op-ed columns like this. Go Brewers, and whoever is playing the Cubs (something I think we all can agree on).

Bernie-
Besides Braun and Hall, and lasts nights Villy instance. Who else on the Brewers showboats? You keep saying all the showboating. The Brewers aren’t showboating anymore than any other team out there. Perhaps you are exaggerating for the sake of your article. Or maybe you’ve seen Braun jack so many home runs this year, that sticks in your head. You know what’s funny though, Braun never showboats as much against other teams. Maybe the whiney Cards bring out the best of him. In the past, if he stares one down too long, Ned has usually scolded him afterwards. Not against the Cards though? And as for the 10 championships. Congrats, they were well earned. But typically that argument is reserved for a 10 year old.

All this whining makes you CarDUInal fans sound like cubs fans. Pathetic.

I suspect Bernie and the paper got what they wanted. I’m sure a bunch of Crew fans created an account today.

Braun? The guy celebrates no more than a majority of players. Nothing like Pujols. Then, he trots around the bases in an expedient manner. He’s not really a showboat. Maybe Hall and sometimes Fielder. The Crew are filled with a bunch of classy players. Hart, Cameron, Kendall, Hardy, Sheets, etc., so quit trying to make something out of nothing.

I think it is pretty pathetic how the cards are acting. All those games that Pujols admires his home runs and pounds on his chest? Get off your high horse and let another team celebrate for once. It is almost comical how the cards fans/beat writers are acting, they dished it out for so many years to the entire division, and now they can’t take it. Why don’t you go look up some videos of late 90s early 00s games against the other top teams in the division. Strike that, ANY team in the division. I watched Pujols and the cards showboat for years, throwing it in the Crews, Cubs and stros faces that they were a better team. I just can’t believe the mighty cards have turned into a bunch of cardinal chics. Just pathetic, tip your hat to other teams this year, much like Brewers have done for cards SO MANY YEARS, because you know 2-3 years ago you will be on top again. If you don’t, I hope we bean Pujols every time we play the cards when we are no longer contenders (probably next year).

that was the kind of win that can spark a good stretch run. lets hope it does. no credit goes to the knucklehead pitcher. the only thing that could have done was scare the brewers into not playing as well.

I never said it wasn’t o.k. for Villeneuva to get excited. He’s a young guy, so he has a right to get excited when he makes a big out. Like said, I didn’t see the replay of what went on after he got the out. That’s why I can’t say who was in the right or the wrong, Albert or Villeneuva.

But, will say this. If he did point, flex, gesture, shout obscenities, whatever toward our dugout, then comparing the two is a moot point. It’s like comparing apples to oranges. There’s just no place for those kinds of antics. Although, will also say, don’t like ANYONE admiring their HR’s. There’s no place for that, either. We should prob just chalk all of this up to getting caught up in the moment, whether it be hitting a clutch HR or getting a clutch out.

But listen, players get plunked in baseball all the time. That’s been going on since the inception of the sport. There’s a place for it in the game. Sometimes it’s intentional, sometimes unintentional. Sometimes it’s obvious when it is, sometimes it isn’t. Who knows if Braun gettin’ hit was or wasn’t. If Pujols or Luddy or Glaus would’ve gotten hit after the fact, I wouldn’t have been upset. I actually expected Yost to order that sometime after that happened, and was surprised he didn’t, considering where the ball hit him.

But I’m sure it was just coincidence (wink, wink :-))

As a Brewer fan in St. Louis, I have to comment here, especially when you’re using an opinion full of exaggerations Bernie. It’s no wonder that your home team’s manager isn’t a big fan of you.
I agree that Villanueva was out of line last night and should have just walked off the field. And if you interviewed Yost about it, Bernie, you would have found that he did not support it and most definitely talked with him about it. So don’t say that Yost allows these “stunts” to happen. It’s just like any behavior, good or bad, a player puts forth on the field. The manager can’t hit or pitch for his players and he certainly can’t emotionally react for his players either. Overall, it was an emotional moment and Villanueva got caught up in it. Pujols called him out and hopefully he’ll keep himself in check in the future. But I’d rather have an emotional player out there than a bunch of corpses like I saw wearing red on Tuesday. No fire? No thank you. That’s why you seem to be ok with Pujols’ sky pointing and ball watching. I say seem because you sure didn’t comment on it, yet the Brewers are not allowed to do it?
And would someone PLEASE stop talking about the shirt untucking. WTeff is the big deal? It’s not showboating, it’s not being arrogant, it’s not an insult to anyone. If someone is taking it as an insult, they aren’t saying anything about it. It’s not a Busch or Cardinals-specific gesture; they do it after every win. Did you interview Miles about it like FOX2 did? He wasn’t offended. Please, publish one, legitimate quote from a real player who is offended by this. How is it different than a high five, a jump-around at home plate, or celebratory dance/gesture/whatever that other players do, one example being the Mets? If you know why they do it, again, which would require some reporting on your part, you’d know that Mike Cameron started it as a tribute to his dad and signifying that the work is over. It is definitely a team-unifying thing, something this team really needed.
I think you also need to look over your definition of journeyman. Maybe you’re thinking of Charlie Villanueva of the NBA. At least he’s played for more than one pro team, which cannot be said about CARLOS Villanueva.
And also good picking up on Braun getting drilled in the ribs. But “that’s baseball” or “it got away,” right? And, being the Cardinals’ version of Ron Santo, that’s ok with you, too (as long as we’re using comparisons. Ron Artest? Seriously?).
Make sure you’re without sin yourself before you throw the first stone.

Thanks for the response Bernie,

Welcome to all the Brewers fans! A few quick responses from me:

# You are right - “journeyman” is an incorrect term for Villanueva. I apologize for the poor word choice.

- pcl - Yea, this guy is a kid. I’m sure he would be happy to be called a journeyman though.

# As I’ve said many times, I think the Brewers have a really good team. And I have never hesitated to praise them. You want some proof? Go back and read the two prior blog entries to this one. And I picked the Brewers to win the division the last two seasons.

- pcl - No proof needed. Just watch the trash talk as a journalist. Makes the rest of us look bad.

# Call me old school, but I don’t like all of the showboating from a team that hasn’t won anything. Some strutting and cockiness is fine, but a team should earn it first.

- pcl - ok Old School, you got it. This is the MLB, best players in the world, showboating has been earned by them all.

# If “Villy” did nothing wrong, then why did your boy Ned Yost criticize him in comments made to reporters after the game? Hmmm.

- pcl - Ned Yost is one of the most disliked coaches in Brewers’ history. The general public in Brewers land would say he is just being Ned (ignorant).

# I’m a columnist and they pay me to write my opinions.

- pcl - Disregard my point above, thought you were a journalist.

# The primary purpose of the blog was to relay Pujols’ comments - which obviously are the subject of great interest.

- pcl - If that was the purpose why the trash talking?

# Congrats to the Brewers for winning the season series from the Cardinals for the first time since 1999. Somehow I suspect Cardinals fans can turn to the 10 World Series championships their team has won for consolation.

- pcl - I don’t think any Brewers fans around the country are saying this is a ‘my dad could beat up your dad’ situation. Some might argue the Cards should have wont more then 10 (because of their salary) in this terrible division.

# I like it that the Cardinals and the Brewers have a good rivalry going and it definitely heated up this season.

- pcl - And it’s over. Except Albert dealing out a threat to Carlos, “I’m going to see him later.” That was just a bad thing to say.

# Good luck the rest of the way.

- pcl - I’m sure they appreciate it.

Cardinals team, fans and writers must be feeling like the Brewers little sister now? They own you and the CUBS OWN YOU BOTH!

Keep fighting like Crips and Bloods. We’re the cops, you hear me? We’ll put either one of you away for good. Cubbies put the smackdown on both of you losers as it always should be.

Hey Cardinals, what’s it like getting your face kicked in your own house? Must hurt? I can’t relate. We don’t know that feeling. I have a spare garage where Yost and Russo can sweep when they need a job this winter.

Are you feeling the heat so bad that you have to create a rivalry with other losers now? Don’t try to create a new rivalry with Milwaukee, because we own that one, boys and girls. Stay south where you belong and keep drunk while the real men handle the real work, North AND South.

You guys keep arguing about your shirts. At the end of September, you’ll all be staring up at us like turds from a toilet. Why don’t you get it in your heads, YOU BOTH SUCK!!! You are just arguing about who sucks worse.

Hey fatass,

My education goes far beyond a GED. I’d love to see your resume some time…perhaps I can find a place for you cleaning a toilet or something.

Why don’t you fat f***s go back to your own blog. You’re spending so much time here, you might trick yourselves into thinking we care, and that you matter.

Your state is a cold sh**hole, Milwaukee is a dump, you are all fat slobs (not a generalization, because you are all, in fact, fat slobs), and you pale in comparison to your neighbors to the south (which I know, just kills you).

By the way, try to argue that Braun is better than Ludwick this year. Ludwick, in 56 fewer at bats, has superior/identical numbers than Braun in every category…IN 56 FEWER AT BATS.

So get up fat**ses, move around and get some exercise. You have been spending way too much of your time stewing on the Cardinal blog today. Your shift at Burger King begins at 4, so you still have time to scratch your a$$, make an omelet and carry on with your meaningless day (and life).

Thanks for stopping by!

Bernie,

Referring to the players actions as similar to those of Ron Artest is not just factually inaccurate, it’s also treading very close to libel.

Ron Artest has been arrested for domestic battery. Are you inferring that on the Brewers’ players?

Ron Artest was arrested and charged for going into the stands and assaulting a fan. Have the Brewers’ players done that as well?

I don’t like what Villenueva did anymore than I like Hall or Pujols’ cadillac home-run stares, or Yadier Molina dropping his catchers’ gear at home plate back in Milwaukee because he didn’t like an umpire’s call. I don’t like when players point to the sky after every hit. But it’s players on most teams.

So to call them knuckleheads and compare those young men to a convicted felon is simply irresponsible and abhorrent journalism - whether you’re a beat man or a columnist.

And people wonder why newspapers around the country are losing lots of money. Or maybe that’s why Bernie is blogging instead of writing.

Oh, and TexasT, I think it’s all in how you take it.

Honestly, and I’m biased, b/c I am a cards fan, but I don’t take it as either of those things, whether it be immature or arrogant.

I think Troy Glaus genuinely cares about performing well for his new team. And he has always had the label of a hot-head, so I’ll chalk it up to that and him getting caught up in this race.

I mean, I’m sure it’s incredibly frustrating for this team, the way the Brewers have handled us this year, knowing that the WC is still there for the taking, and that if they had just taken care of business in 2 or 3 of those close games, especially on the last homestand we had, that they’d be right there w/them. So every lost opportunity is slowly sealing our fate.

Sabbathia aside, these teams are fairly equal. That deal really put them over the top, or for now, @ least. If that deal doesn’t happen, we may even have a better record than them @ this point, even if they have beat us 10 out of 15. He’s 8-0 for them w/a 1.59 ERA. W/out that deal, what happens in those 8 starts? Just don’t know. I doubt they win all of them, though, w/the other guys on there staff. No one else besides Sabbathia and Sheets really intimidates me, and Sheets doesn’t really even intimidate me that much. He’s a real good pitcher, but not as lights out the way C.C. has been.

I am one that is glad we didn’t trade Rasmus for him, or any other top flight rental, though. Unless it was assured that he’d be back in a Cardinal uniform the next year. If you coulda guaranteed me that, then I woulda done it. But not to rent. To me, as a GM/owner of a team, that would be a very, very, irresponsible thing to do. But when you haven’t won in such a long time and have the team to do it, I see why they did.

But I’m @ peace w/the way we handled business. I’m not one of those loyalists that agrees w/everything the team does. I bad-mouth the team plenty @ times, but I did agree w/not moving any top prospects for an ageless reliever or a rental.

We have something like $35-40 million to play with this offseason. That’s why, would love to see them take a run @ a top the rotation starter, a real one, like a Sheets, as opposed to bringing back a Looper or a Lohse, even if those guys have been a source of consistency for us in the rotation this year.

He’s right… We got lardballs to the north and hillbillies to the south. Cheesecurds and incest. Maybe we can move both of your states into the middle of the Atlantic and flush.

Seriously now, if you’re so tired of teams celebrating and they haven’t won anything, why don’t you go pick on the Tampa Bay Rays? Oh thats right it’s because you guys couldn’t beat us this year, and we have the talent to keep this going for a long time to come. I’m not going to get all worked up over this writer that I know more than half of America has never heard of, I mean what writer comments their own posts? Exactly.. And some one please explain to me how pulling out their jerseys at the end of the game is showboating? Maybe Villanueva did point at the dugout, but nobody saw it on T.V. I saw him point after Pujols had already gotten up and went after him. I think all my fellow Brewer fans have already taken care of the fact that Villanueva is in no way what you would consider a journeyman, and Pujols trots more than any guy on the Brewer’s team. Look at it this way Brewer fans.. our team is that good this year, so good that low-life beat writers had nothing better to write about on a night their team won. WOW! See ya next year Cards fans. Have fun watching from you couch this year.

therealdealankiel:

Wow, thanks for responding so quickly. Did someone finally let you back on the internet at the public library? Or prison?

I appreciate your “thoughtful” response. It goes to show that special education does make an impact. It’s nice to see mildly retarded people like you contribute in a small way to society.

Good luck at the carnival. And don’t let them treat you like you’re not a real person!!! Stand up to them and let them know you’re at least half a person (Intellectually)

And by the way, I don’t think we (or the Cardinals) would be that upset about last nights antics if the Brewers hadn’t been showboating their way through the season. Sure, the Cards aren’t happy with how the season series went, but they have been more than respectful when they’ve been handing the Brewer’s a season series A$$-POUNDING for the past 8 years. I think we (and the Cards) were hoping this team (and their “fans”) would take advantage of these so-called “veterans” they acquired, and clean up their act.

I understand you have all recently joined the BANDWAGON. I understand many of you couldn’t name 10 players on the Brewers team from 1999, or 2003, or 2005. Winning is a nice convenience. Complain when they lose, leach on when they win.

Funny that for the past 12 years, I COULD GET ANY SEAT I WANT IN MILWAUKEE. That’s weird, b/c all of you “fans” have “been with them from the beginning.” Right.

Hey Bernie,

Here’s to you getting that communication and journalism degree. Good job. The very fact that you write tabloid stories to get notice to your column is pretty pathetic. Your response to the Brewers on your blogs is even lower than your previous post. The Brewers have to prove it to who? You? Wow I’m sure Braun, Fielder and Company are worried about what you think or how they should act. I’m sure Fielder and Pujols when they are joking together on firstbase are discussing what Bernie is going to put in his blog.

Your opinion is what you get paid for…..I understand that but what you wrote was irresponsible journalism that looked like it was written at bar time. In fact I’m sure you were probably given a talking to by management.

Instead of trying to stick up for the team you cover (but for some reason you think you are part of the team with the “we” comments)why don’t you REPORT all the information instead of trying to conjure it up. Yost commented on Villanueva’s actions being a distraction. He did not say Carlos pointed to the opposing team’s dugout and started talking. So you trying to justify your comments is BS.

Picking the Brewers the past two seasons does what for credibility?

I dont care what happened 10 years ago or 5 years ago. So bringing up championships does what? You have been around for two of them but you strut your stuff like you played or coverred the team in the 30’s and 60’s. Sure you beat us in 82….great. If Fingers is healthy we sweep you clowns. But that’s old news. And today is a different era where the Cardinals are trying to be relevant where as the Brewers are the talk of your town.

So Bernie anytime you want to talk about baseball ethics make sure you include Molina’s antics in Milwaukee, Troy Glaus and his childish behavior, Pujols admiring every single HIT not just HR. And Tony Larussa trying to start a bean war.

One last question for you Bernie…..Do you point to the sky everytime you finish a column or blog?

wow, all the brewers fans are coming out the woodwork.. haha guess they don’t like when the truth is told

“brewcrewfan”,

I assure you I am neither in prison or the library. I am in my office with a few spare moments to respond to you fata$$. I will be in a number of meetings this afternoon, but will be happy to respond to you this evening. As such, if you can get someone to rent you a car and pay for the gas, I’d be happy to host you in some prime seats at a real ball park. I’ll even buy you a beer (if you’re old enough to drink it).

Sadsushi,

There is no such thing as a Brewer Fan. There is such a thing, however, as a fat waste of space that chose to follow a team when they started winning, b/c they thought it would make them more popular with their fat peers. These can sometimes be confused, in Milwaukee, as “fans.”

therealdealankiel,

If your Cardinals had no chance of making the playoffs would you go to as many games as if they were a contender? No you wouldn’t. Fans put their hard earned money out there if there is something on the line and the owners are trying to put a good team out there. That doesn’t make fans bandwagoners. I’m a college kid and I can name most of the players on those terrible Brewer teams since the mid 90’s but I definitely go to more games now. That doesnt make me a bandwagoner. I still loved my team when they sucked, I’m just more excited that there is light at the end of the season unlike many years in the past. I don’t know if you’re just trying to sound dumb but please Card fans and Brewer fans keep these topics free of insults and let the playoff race talk.

We’ve been letting the playoff races talk for years. You just chose to start listening now. The Cardinals had a terrible season (by their standards) in 2007 while the Brewers had a great year (by their standards), and we still SHATTERED your attendance. And we will do the same again this year. That is a fan base.

Brewers fan here, just want to comment on a few things. I apologize if this has already been discussed. The untucked shirt thing they got from Mike Cameron, who started doing it before he joined the Brewers. It’s his way of kinda symbolizing that the work day is over, like the typical cliche image of a guy getting home from a long day of work and untucking his shirt right when he walks in the door. I guess the other guys liked it and starting doing it with him. I really don’t understand how something like this is insulting. I mean we’re talking about players’ wardrobe. But everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Also, Villanueva has been with the Brewers for his 3 major league seasons, so I’m not sure why he’d be considered a journeyman.

I don’t really know why they are being called controversial or likened to Ron Artest. I’m not sure what has been done by this team that is so bad.

If he was pointing in the dugout and talking trash like that, I’m not going to justify that at all. That shouldn’t happen. And I don’t like seeing some of our younger guys stare after their home runs, although the author did point out that Pujols has been known to do the same thing. In general it doesn’t really bother me personally. I think the younger guys let their emotions get a little out of check sometimes, which is understandable. I hope as they mature they start to act a little more professionally though.

Like I said, you are all entitled to your own opinions and I’m not going to argue with that… I have a lot of respect for the Cardinals organization and all the fans. I’m just a little surprised to hear all the negativity towards the personality of our team.

Personally as a Brewer fan I enjoyed this series. In fact I kind of wish we played more this season, but I am a little confused on a couple of things. On the St. Louis side, you guys feel Villanueva was showing up the dugout and disrespecting the game. If you look at the film, when he’s pumping his fist, he’s not even looking at the dugout, he’s looking upward. Suddenly Pujols said something, which looked like it caught Carlos off guard and thus he started barking back. The bottom line is if this so called “woke a sleeping giant” then you guys are in a sad state. Wouldn’t you think having a two game series at home, against the team you are chasing, late in August, would have gotten you up enough. I guess not. You guys scored one run in the first 16 innings of the series, you were dead to rights and then you got going in the 8th. If you needed Pujols to start barking after a critical moment in the game that is sad and I don’t like your chances when big games come up later in the series.

Also, since when did the Cardinals become the end all say all about how a team can act. LaRussa is calling out the Brewers and how they untuck their shirts. Who cares, worry about your own team. Pujols says the Brewers disrespected the game and this blogger says the Crew is arrogant. To me it sounds a little like sour grapes as your team is aging and the Brewers are young and up and coming. Also, isn’t it disrespecting the game when Troy Glaus and Mather fire their helmet after striking out or popping out to end the inning. Especially Glaus, he stayed and barked at Joe Cuzzi in between innings. You say the Brewers need class, take a look in the mirror.

“There is no such thing as a Brewer Fan. There is such a thing, however, as a fat waste of space that chose to follow a team when they started winning, b/c they thought it would make them more popular with their fat peers. These can sometimes be confused, in Milwaukee, as “fans.”

therealdealankiel,

Is that honestly necessary? I don’t want to insult anyone but you’re making it real hard. I’m 6′7″, 242lbs. with 8% body fat and I’ve been boxing since I was 8. I would guess you probably wouldn’t talk all that trash to my face. You just sound ridiculous. You say your in an office and you have meetings but you sound like a 10 year old kid trying to insult people because of where they’re from.

Were talking about baseball. Why do you need to bring all this other crap in here? Yeah Brewer fans are all fat and we are all bandwagoners. Give me a break. If you’ve ever been to Milwaukee you will see Brewers jersey’s everywhere even when our team was terrible. Every kid around here grows up rooting for the Brewers, hating the Cubs, and respecting the Cards so I don’t understand all that crap your spewing. You have a better tradition in STL because you have a longer history and great players like Musial. You don’t need to hate on Milwaukee because we don’t have that history. I’m not making fun of the Rams because the Packers history is so much greater. Give it a rest.

RealDealAnkiel-

Read this, for being such fat slobs we sure like to work out a lot:

http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20050105/americas-fittest-fattest-cities

Settle down tough guy…

everyone on here is 6′7, 290, with .5% body fat and they beat @ss for a living. I assure you I would say these same things to your face.

The Brewers are to the Cards what the Rams are to the Packers. Sure, the sun shines on the Brewers and Rams A$$es every once in awhile, doesn’t mean they are in the same league.

ease up big (or little) guy.

therealdealankiel,

Go look at how many games the Brewers sold out the last two seasons. No one is comparing Brewer tradition to STL tradition but this is 2008 and right now the Brewers are a few games ahead of your Cards and that is all that matters. I care more about September 2008 then the 2007 season all the way back to the 19th century. For one of the smallest markets Doug Melvin has done a great job making this the second best team in the NL and our owner has finally shelled out some money so were proud. We will just see who finishes the season on top and that’s all that matters. I don’t care about the past.

By the way, TMJ620 reporting that the Brewers have sold their 3,000,000th ticket this year…whoever thought that was possible in Milwaukee?

44TAF,

Since you don’t care about the past, let me ask…how many retro’82 jerseys, shirts, hats do you own?

You don’t get to pick and choose which years you care about. I am disappointed in ‘07 and proud of ‘06 and ‘08. Proud of 1996, not that proud of 99. Unfortunately, the real fans take every season as part of the big picture.

Funny thing that you guys only want to care about 2008. Sounds a lot like Cubs fans.

therealdealankiel,

I can promise you what I said is accurate and I can promise you that you wouldn’t talk this garbage to my face unless you are truly stupid. If you want to exchange information or emails or whatever you can come up here to Milwaukee for a game and I will be down in STL in the next year and I will go to a game with you. You can believe me or not, that’s your perogative but it’s the truth and I’m guessing you would be the little guy in this case.

Hey CubsRule, it might be a little early for that. Especially coming from a fan of an organization that has built a massive fan base of people that refer to their own team as “loveable losers.”
I live in Chicago, if you want to find the biggest mass of losers, you have to go no further than Wrigley field to bunch of drunks that have no clue whats going on.
The playoffs are a new season, the cubs will find a way to lose and status quo will remain intact. The Cubs are a good team, I respect the Cubs and the Brewers but Cubs fans will never change. The large majority of them will always be like this CubsRule fool who finds pathetic embrace in the comfort of their expansive fan base to deal with 100 years of LOSING. Win something, then talk.
Come October, when your crying in your drink at the Cubby Bear with the rest of those frat boy strokes, you can think about what to do with that extra garage.
10-2
Get a life

Funny thing is prior to last nite I had respect for the CarDUInals and their fans. Not anymore. Now I realize what a bunch of pathetic hypocrites you all are. This article and the comments make you sound like a bunch of crybaby cubs fans. Here’s hoping the CarDUInals rot in last place for the next century.

PS: The arch is lame.

GoBrewers-

We just put up a Fonzi statue…

Just sayin’

Ok fat guy. I believe you.

These Brewer clowns are fitting every part of the steretype. Bunch of Lardass Meatheads that want to get drunk and fight. Nothing else to do up in SCANSIN?

Regarding the retro jerseys:

I think they still look better than our new logo and that’s why they are sold and why people that weren’t even alive in ‘82 buy them, heck, ask other fans, the MB glove logo is among the best in baseball

therealdealankiel,

Yup I’m really a fat guy just making stuff up. I’m actually just confident to know that you will sit there and talk all your garbage over the web and you’re afraid to exchange information because you know you’re probably a pint size little 5′7″ baseball fan who couldn’t even reach my face. I know I’m in machismo mode right now and I promised I wouldn’t get negative in this forum but you make it to easy. So since I’m lying and I’m a little guy even thought I gave you my honest to God information, how bout you tell me a little bit a bout yourself?

I’m not too sure of what Villanueva did or said but this whole blog is going terribly overboard. I’ll admit Villa was wrong if he actually did what he is accused of, but I think it’s pretty ridiculous that the Cardinals and their fans are playing this whole “respecting the game” card. And seriously comparing the Brewers to Ron Artest? Ron Artest charged started a riot and assaulted people, what the Brewers have done is not even close to that. That’s like calling somebody a murderer for stepping on an ant. Like I said before if Villa (who is not even close to being a journeyman by the way) truly did what he is accused of, that is wrong. But when you call the Brewers out for showboating their home runs, that’s a big case of the pot calling the kettle black. You even admitted Pujols showboats his home runs then continued to call out the Brewers for doing the same thing, which quite frankly makes no sense at all. Lastly, I think it is pretty inane that you think the Brewers are trying to insult their opponent by untucking their shirts. Now that’s really making something out of nothing!

Ankle the real deal said:

“These Brewer clowns are fitting every part of the steretype. Bunch of Lardass Meatheads that want to get drunk…”

Seems like LaRussa and Hancock like to do that too…except they apparently like to cruise the town afterwards.

Yup I fit the stereotype perfectly. I’m in shape and I don’t drink at all. I believe it was just Allure magazine or something like that that listed Milwaukee as the sexiest and most fashionable city in the country for 2008. All us fat drunk people are the new sexy.

But seriously realdealankiel, I will be in STL at the beginning of next season so if you want to exchange info I would be glad to come visit you and go to a STL game with you and you can see how fat and drunk I am, but I doubt you will exhange your info because you’re to chicken sh$$ to say that crap looking up at me. But honestly, if you’re down, I am.

WOW. I can’t believe all the ignorant, pathetic whinning by all the Brewers fans. What’s wrong boys? Is that so-called beer up there so foul smelling that it has warped your brains? One thing that has me irked is the retarded comments about the late Jack Buck and Josh Hancock. What the hell is up with that??? You call that good classful, sportsmanlike conduct?? Not in my book!!! And what the hell is up with the childish comments about Bernie’s weight? Get a life you bunch of losers!!! How did these things get involved in this discussion about what happened in a Major League Baseball game last night??? Care enough to put your crappy money where your mouth is??? Notice that the Cards fans commenting here have not said any disrespectful comments about Bob Uecker. And you claim that the Cards and our fanbase is classless and unsportsmanlike??? Whatever floats your little rubber duckie in your bathwater boys.

Hear this. If I were the Commissioner of MLB, I would suspend CV for innappropriate conduct and any Brewer player that wishes to untuck his shirttail upon conclusion of any game. Go to the dang locker room if you wish to untuck your shirt. But not on the playing field. You can also call me old school if you want. I am mighty proud to be old school.

And about Sir Albert pointing to the sky after he gets a hit or hits a HR, he is a Christian and is giving thanks to the precious Lord above for everything - which is what a bona fide Christian is supposed to do.

BTW, there is still plenty of time for your Brewers to implode like they did last year.

Go Cards!

Louie Bird 17

Hey man, you and I both know there’s nothing sexy going on in Wisconsin. I guess you’re looking for my height and weight…I never do this b/c I’m not sure how it’s pertinent to a baseball blog, but I’m 6′4, 215. Not sure that makes me a tank. Being that I have things going on outside of baseball blogs, I don’t really go looking for blog fights. I wouldn’t hit you if you were 6′7 and i wouldn’t hit you if you were 5′7. Again, I’m not a meathead, I don’t go looking for fights.

You were the one throwing out your BMI, so I thought it could use a little jeering since there is always one guy in the crowd that needs to do so.

Do you want to compare tattoos too? I see the link the this came from the JS mole, which is how you guys ended up here today. Had you come to talk baseball and bring some fresh perspective, I’d have nothing but good baseball talk for you. You guys chose to get all emotional and cross blogs…it’s your own fault if you’ve been offended or antagonized.

If we want to talk just baseball, let’s do that. If you want to compare cities, states, teams, landmarks, beers, height and weight, phone numbers, we can do that too.

and we have the new “MEATHEAD OF THE BLOG” award. goes to 44TAF. Thank you for contributing, you had to have some purpose in life, and it has been served.

Like or not, human beings are emotional and those emotions does tend to pull out a little bit more from said players…I know this personally…Whenever I get fired up, the juices get flowing; there seems to be a little extra something that comes out…For whatever reason, I’m a little crisper/sharper…

I can see this squabble igniting a rally…

TAF,

Went over your original post. You started out making sense. Too bad we didn’t see eye to eye in the beginning. We probably both would have made more sense. I am merely here to antagonize Brewer fans today that chose to spend their time on someone else’s blog. Clearly I did this with you.

Louie Bird,
The Cards fans haven’t said anything negative? I was keeping it positive and realistic and trying to stay away from insults when the Card fans like realdealankiel started saying we were all drunk in fat. Both Brewer fans and Card fans including myself have started acting stupid on here. Don’t be biased. Everyone is talking stupid including Cards fans.

therealdealankiel,
I have class in 20 minutes so I’m sorry we can’t continue this. Thanks for the MeatHead award. I appreciate it. No tats, don’t drink and I’m not fat, but I’ll definitely take it. I would like to meet you though, but that’s not going to happen.

I hope the Brewers win the wild card and are nibbling at the Cubs feet by the last week of the season. I still like the Cards and wish the Cubs debacled, the Brewers win the division and the Cards get the wild card but it doesn’t look like any of those scenarios are going to unfold IMO. Good luck tho and lets hope the Cubs get booted in the first round again.

44TAF,
I never said that the Cards fans haven’t said anything negative. The comments about Jack Buck and Josh Hancock were literally off kilter and should never have been said even if Cards fans have insulted you Brewer fans. Your pitcher opened up the mighty Mississippi River flood gates to all of this. He should never have of acted cocky. In other words, his actions towards the Cards and us Cards fans was a bona fide insult. And you expect us not to insult your pitcher and you Brewer fans in return? Rrrriiiight!!

BTW, your team does have two fat, drunk lards on its roster. They are Prince Fielder and CC Sabathia.

Go Cards!

Louie Bird 17

a - I don’t believe in brewers fans…I’ve never actually seen one.
b - if they do exist, please don’t show up every 36 years and pick a fight.
c - if they are real and hate the cubs - “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” so we can get along.
congrats on a good year.

Realdealankiel-

Your name is realdealankiel (great rhyming by the way, so clever), yet he’s taken HGH. Can he be “real” if he’s taken such synthetic substances? And your posts mostly contain “fat” and “slobs” in a Bernie Miklasz.

Keep the funnies coming. You’re entertaining my day, just like a real clown.

Realdealankiel-

Your name is realdealankiel (great rhyming by the way, so clever), yet he’s taken HGH. Can he be “real” if he’s taken such synthetic substances? And your posts mostly contain “fat” and “slobs” in a Bernie Miklasz blog.

Keep the funnies coming. You’re entertaining my day, just like a real clown.

Too bad a lot of the comments on this board and the brewer board got nasty. I never meant to trade blows like this until I read classless comments about personal problems like LaRussa and Hancock (the worst was someone on the Brewer board stating that Kile is dead from a drug problem). You want to talk about baseball, leave it on the field. Hancock must have had some personal issues, as all of us do. If you’re going to throw these people in the mud, then let’s do the same with your drunk uncle, or cousin with a drug problem, etc. etc.

St. Louis is normally the pinnacle of baseball class, everyone across the country knows it no matter how much you deny it. Sure, you’ve seen some nasty Cardinal fans (and players) that have been pushed and prodded by SOME classless Brewers fans (and players)…but that doesn’t change the fact that St. Louis is as much a shrine to baseball as Green Bay is to football.

For those of you that kept on topic and made valid points, thank you for contributing and we surely won’t group you with the morons in the crowd…and as for the morons that are soulless enough to make these comments about players that aren’t here to defend themselves, I’m speechless. You shouldn’t be able to call yourself a Brewer “fan”, as you are dragging down those that work hard to shed scrubs like you.

44Taf -

Looks like your persistence with therealdealankiel to meet showed what he’s about. Comes to a blog where legitimate people want to talk baseball, he puffs out his chest and types like he’s tough and then backpedals. Classy. Hey therealdealankiel - stop answering your phone. MENSA will not be calling anytime soon. Take your Devry degree and go back to being the guy responsible for pulling staples out of walls at the local tavern.

I’m out. Time to go blog on a team site that actually might play in October

what’d i tell you…blowcrewfan is getting a lift from mom to Burger King for the 4:00 shift. Hey mf’er, I told you, I don’t want ketchup on that. Get it right SCRUB.

therealdealankiel

Actually, your Mom is dropping me off…..

Very original douche. I thought you were leaving…or still monitoring b/c you just can’t get away?

I sure hope the brewers didnt wake up a sleeping dog, or a leader like pujols will bite em in the next inning. I wish the brewers had leaders like that wait I forgot they are one of the best teams winning games in their last inning! The cards are a classy team all teams should be like them I will drink to that! a,b,c,d,x,q,r,z,y,s hmm I guess LaRussa will too. CHEERS!!!! SEE YOU IN THE PLAYOFFS WAIT YOU WONT BE THEIR!

Thanks again for the comments.

I did mention in the blog that Pujols catches some heat here for standing and admiring his homers.

Also, good on Ned Yost for calling out Villanueva. As good as the Brewers are, and they are damned good (can’t believe they’re only 3.5 up on a rebuilding STL team) they’d be better if the skipper was more hands-on.

Thanks.

-B

Both sides’ fans went overboard. Somebody took out the Buck comment before I saw it and I didn’t like the Hancock or DUI LaRussa comments. But the first wrong comment I saw was about alluding that Villanueva should have been aborted as a fetus. Wow.

There is nothing to do in SCANSIN, ankiel, which is why we’re on here. We can’t WARSH our hands of this.

Freakin’ talk baseball and leave personal attacks on fans and players. We both hate the Cubs (and seriously, CubsRule, are you that much of a troll to come on here and post?) and we have a good rivalry going. Both sides did something wrong last night as far as class. Leave it at that.

And I’m also glad Louie Bird isn’t commissioner? Suspensions for shirts being untucked? Probably been watching too much Project Runway.

Thought I’d post this for you. Something tells me Bernie wouldn’t do it for you. He doesn’t seem like the type to actually go to another newspapers site to get some real info on a team.

http://blogs.jsonline.com/brewers/archive/2008/08/28/what-cards-really-hate-losing-to-brewers.aspx

Did Villy act out too much last night? Yeah, he did. Hey look at me, I’m already less of a homer than your sports writer. And I’m not even supposed to be neutral. Great job reporting buddy. Just another jumpy journalist that fans the flames with uneducated opinions.

Its like the man said act like you have been there……. Ohhh wait a minute the Brewers have never been there, nuff said

I am still baffled as to why this ‘writer’ and the CarDUInal fans cannot address the classless move to drill Braun in the ribs with a pitch earlier in the game. Yeah Villanueve celebrated. BFD. Puljos had to be a baby about it. I guess its frustrating when your team scores one time over 12 innings and get smoked in the season series 10-5. Boo hoo CarDUInal fans. Boo hoo. This makes you look like bigger crybabies than cubs fans - which I never thought would be possible.

Any truth to the rumor that the arch is actually Bernie’s belt?

I guess the inbreeding down there has finally gotten to you Cardinals fans. What game were you watching? Braun got drilled in the fifth inning with not so much as a whimper from him or the Brewers. I did’t see a word about that incident in this blog. Sit there with a straight face and tell me that wasn’t ordered by your crybaby manager. Then, when a young pitcher gets out of a jam and jumps in the air, Pujols (who by the way watches all of his homers leave the park) takes it upon himself to be the enforcer of ethics for the league and charge the guy. Your problem is the Brewers went 10 and 5 against your beloved Cards and you guys can’t take it.

What kind of writer are you Bernie? You don’t tell the whole story. I support Villanueva because all he did was get pumped up for getting a big out that was magnified by the Cardinals for throwing at Ryan Braun. And don’t try to tell me it wasn’t on purpose! Next time Bernie, tell the whole story. At least Villanueva didn’t throw at Albert’s head!! By throwing at Braun the Cardinals created another potential beenball/bench clearing brawl situations. And you call the Brewers arrogant. Albert is arrogant everytime he hits a home run!

I don’t have a pony in this race but my cousin, a die-hard Cards fan told me I had to read how stupid all of this sounds.

This whole thing is ridiculous. It all comes off as the bully staring down the kid he used to beat up that hit the growth spurt and is pushing back. Now the bully doesn’t like being picked on. realankiel- You’re making Cardinal fans look like morons with your posts.

Brewer fans- I’d be careful about shoveling any dirt on anyone until you’ve wrapped something up … I wouldn’t mess with karma if I were you. It’s also classless to talk about death … quite the urinating contest.

Great read.

And to the writer of this blog- very classy responses. Love the weak attempt at a parting shot on the Brewers (can’t believe they’re only 3.5 up on a rebuilding STL team)- I don’t follow either team closely but I do follow baseball. Milwaukee has the 5th best record in baseball; your attempt to make it sound like their inability to run away from the Cardinals is weak; the Cardinals have simply been good this year.

And rebuilding? They have one every day position player under 28 and maybe one or two pitchers under that number. I thought rebuilding meant getting younger and building for the future.

I agree Villanueva was out of line, but the Cardinals should not point fingers when four of them are pointing back at them. Besides, Villanueva was pointing to Kendall for helping him out of the inning. It’s amazing Pujols doesn’t mind posing and watching his majestic home runs when he crushes one against a pitcher, which isn’t exactly a sign of respect. Or pounding his chest and pointing to a dead relative. LaRussa shows no respect for the game by slumping over his steering wheel drunk during spring training.

Get over it Cardinal fans. I thought you had more class than Cub fans. I’m starting to wonder.

Louie Bird and therealdealankiel,

I completely agree that the comments about Buck and Hancock were totally unwarranted and they should have never been brought up. These boards always turn to things that have nothing to do with baseball. But Louie Bird, how can you say that because CV got overly excited and stupid that Card fans should be able to rip on Brewer fans for things other than baseball because that was a direct insult to you? You honestly take it that serious as a fan? Should I take it that serious that last year and in the game last night, your manager started to play bean ball again or that Pujols struts as much as any player in baseball?

I could care less because that is part of baseball. Even though I have a bias opinion I still think that this is all just sour grapes coming from Cards fans. You guys have whooped us since weve been in the NL. Why so angry, because were finally better than you for one season. I promise you it will go back to normal in a couple of years and you’ll be whooping us again.

realdeal, I like one of your last posts. You added a really good analogy to my point before, the Brewers to the Cards are like the Rams to the Packers. The only difference is that there is a salary cap in football and the playing field is even, and in baseball a small market like Milwaukee will never be able to compete on a regular basis because we can’t afford are own guys like CC and Sheets because of the stupid system.

That is why so many Brewer fans are excited because this is the best year (maybe next year if they sign one of the two pitchers and get gallardo back) for us to make some noise. Once again that doesn’t make us bandwagoners, we just see a light at the end of the tunnel that is almost never there. I know baseball is adored in STL but if you knew your team would only have a chance to make the playoffs in 2017 and 2018 and every year from now until then you wouldn’t ever get to .500 you would not be as excited. Guaranteed. It’s human nature. You can’t blame Brewer fans for being more excited this year than in years past. Weve been drenched in anticipation for a few years now, its not just like we all jumped on board when we swept your team a month ago.

Did StL-Today turn into the “Milwaukee Today” website? I can’t believe how Brewer-heavy the posts are on here. Guess it just goes to show–again–how classless the team and its fanbase are to go trolling on another city’s newspaper site just to rub in the Brewers’ successes some more. What do you care what the STL fans have to say? If we’re such a bunch of classless, hypocritical, booze-drinking, steroids-admiring yahoos, then why would you waste your time coming on this website? Have some class and be good sports (good sportsmanship applies to winning with class and respect, as well as losing with dignity) and go home and celebrate with your own kind and let us cope the way we want to.

Touche Touche Idomino

“As good as the Brewers are, and they are damned good (can’t believe they’re only 3.5 up on a rebuilding STL team)”

Thanks for pointing this out midwestbball.

Bernie,
You are something special. Are you a columnist or do you just have a blog? You are one of the least professional, biased sportswriters I have ever read in my life. Your original blog that has started this all off is just so ridiculous and whiny, and now your comment posts are backhanded comments. The Brewers are good but you can’t believe their only 3.5 up on your rebuilding team. Give me a break Bernie.

Just like midwestbball said, the Cards are older than the Brewers and almost every everyday player is over 28. How is that a rebuild? Have you looked back at your blog and your comments, and realized your a biased knob? I looked back at some of my comments and realized I was being a know so it should come easier to you since you’re suppose to be a professional sportswriter.

Right back at you Cardinal fans

http://blogs.jsonline.com/brewers/archive/2008/08/28/what-cards-really-hate-losing-to-brewers.aspx

Why are you Brewers fans so thick-headed?! Are you that egotistical that you think we are crying in our beer because Milwaukee has beat us more often than not this year? That’s baseball–it goes in cycles and the Cards are retooling. Most fans didn’t expect the team to be even this good in ‘08. I can’t speak for everyone, but what I object to–and I think what many fans object to–is that the Milwaukee Brewers do not have the credentials to be acting the way they are. The St. Louis Cardinals are a storied franchise with TEN World Series Titles. Those are credentials. Albert Pujols has all kinds of hardware and records (and some would argue he doesn’t have as many as he deserves). Those are credentials. Until Ryan Braun wins a few things, he doesn’t get to admire his homeruns. Most young players have the humility to understand that they haven’t earned that right yet. Our own Joe Mather recently said that very thing after hitting a big HR for St. Louis. Milwaukee has not won anything yet. When the Brewers do have some credentials, then they can get away with some stuff. But, until then they just look like a bunch of upstart wannabe’s who want to talk the talk but haven’t yet walked the walk. And as for the Milwaukee fans, year after year we’ve seen the stadium in Milwaukee half full (or less) and yet suddenly the Brewers are finally having a winning year and fans abound. Fill your stadium when the team ISN’T winning and then YOU’LL have some credentials.

WOW, 148 and counting comments….you really got us go’n Bernie;

Here are my thoughts on the matter: The Brewers are a ‘bush league’ club. Due to being a ‘young’ club they are a bit immature. Like an adolescent they have an attitude and they can’t help themselves when they show it. Yeah, they may be in their twenties, but they are playing ball at the highest level. They are under the pressure of a pennant race and they just do not know how to handle it. If there is anybody to blame, it should be their manager and coaching staff. Yost and Simmons should be giving training on “MLB Etiquette 101″. They were promoted to the big leagues while apparently skipping that class. I just don’t think they understand that their bush league antics are not a welcome scene at the BIG LEAGUE level.

Thanks for sharing Alberts interview. I missed some of it. And Bernie; you do not ever have to apologize for your lengthy blog entry’s. Just continue let the ink flow as your gut tells you because that is what makes your work great to read. It is your talented gift to us fans. THANKS and GOD BLESS….

Its funny that you describe the Brewers as ‘bush league’ when they are the team that chose not to retaliate when the CarDUInals drilled Braun in the ribs. Funny. You CarDUInal fans and writers revealed to me today that you are just a bunch of hypocritical babies like cubs fans. I hope the CarDUInals rot in last place for a century.

Wow, here’s a concept. I’m a Cards fan, let’s rip on Milwaukee for being a small market team and then say they are Bush League and they’re acting arrogant and cocky but then give no reputable reasons why we think they’re cocky.

They always pull out their shirts after games! We already know that they do that in honor of Mike Cameron’s father.
They’re cocky and Ryan Braun watched a homerun go over one time! And Pujols does it every single time.
They get excited and high five each other after someone has a big hit or a late inning homerun! Don’t you want to be on a team that gets excited about that instead of one that sits there like they don’t care?

drelboc, I’ve stated this about three or four times but I guess I have to state it again. If you knew next season the Cards would win 60 games and the season after that they would win 65 and the season after that they would win 65 and then a season after that they would finally be over .500 and have a shot at the playoffs, which season would you attend more games? Don’t lie and say an equal amount over that span because you wouldn’t.

Were in one of the smallest markets and we know we won’t be competitive on a regular basis so some years there is less excitement than others. If baseball did the right thing and got a salary cap then I guarantee you what you see from Brewer fans this season would continue like it does for the Packers. But if you as Cards fans knew you wouldn’t make the playoffs for years I guarantee you the empty seats would become more abundant. That isn’t being a fair weather fan, it’s just how everyone is made.

In STL you have fanatic awesome Card fans, in Milwaukee we have the same. In STL you have fair weather fans, in Milwaukee we have the same. Were all pretty similar coming from the midwest, we just cheer for different teams. If Milwaukee and STL switched places there wouldn’t be much of a difference. Now if either of us switched with LA then your talking about fair weather, fake, bandwagon fans.

Hmm, just came across this on youtube. I suggest all the cards fans check out times at 2:00 (It will look eerily familiar to when all you whiners were complaining about Braun hitting the home run last series to win it in the ninth), 2:41, 3:17, 2:26, 1:31 and 1:11. Then if you could explain to me what the difference is from what the cards do compared to the Brewers when they are winning, because the only difference I see is the team that is winning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXK6KDFLxP8

Bernie, why don’t you take a look to? I will be looking forward to your next blog detailing what exactly the Brewers are doing above and beyond what the cards have done for years and years. Again, let another team have the spotlight and save what little respect I have left for cards fans, who I always thought were respectable. I guess a lot of cubs fans must have converted over the 100 years.

I love how Pujols basically contradicts himself in the first answer, in back to back sentences…

“I wanted him to stop and face me. I respect this game.”

I don’t see how fighting someone on the field shows any signs of respecting the game.

I’m a brewer fan from Milwaukee and I got a kick reading about all the stuff you’re whining about down there in St. Louis. Villanueva is a young guy that hopefully learned his lesson after this, but come on guys, get over it already, its not like he threw a pitch at Pujols and hit him in the ribs right after returning from a rib injury. And then Molina talking crap to him after his last at bat… it seems like everyone in St. Louis only watched 1 inning.

Get over it, Good luck in the race, and we’ll see ya next year.

It really does no good for me to argue anymore.

You can’t reason someone out of a position they didn’t reason themselves into.

I’ll just give my predictions on how I think the season will end and good luck to everybody the rest of the way, except the Cubs.

Chicago Wins Division: 101-61
Brewers Win Wild Card: 96-66
Cardinals Third Best
In National League: 90-72

44TAF,
Are you sure you didn’t read my post(s) with blinders on? I never said that “Card fans should be able to rip on Brewer fans for things other than baseball because that was a direct insult to you?” Cards fans should be able to rip CV for insulting our team and our fanbase. However, you Brewer fans puffed up like a giant golfish at us Cards fans when we started ripping him and insulting us because we were voicing our OPINIONS and THOUGHTS about CV and your team. But since the Brewer fans’ got carried away and literally tried to demoralize the memories of Jack Buck, Josh Hancock and Darryl Kile that that is where we should be able to draw the line. But I guess that’s too much for you bunch of clowns to understand. For whomever wrote those retarded comments deserves to be ripped by us Cards fans.

Us Cards fans take our baseball seriously which is why we have 10 WS titles to boast and brag about. Not as many as the Yankees, no. But we have the most of any NL team. You Brewer fans haven’t won squat since 1982 but yet when you have a winning season, you clowns act like you’ve won more than anyone else. You Brewer fans need to come back to Earth and get real.

You also wrote:”Should I take it that serious that last year and in the game last night, your manager started to play bean ball again or that Pujols struts as much as any player in baseball?” Why don’t you at least try to prove to us Cards fans that TLR ORDERED the beaning? The real truth is you can’t. And Sir Albert has every right to strut after hitting a HR. He’s an elite player and rightfully deserves the luxury of admiring his Hr’s. PLEASE answer me this. Do you see any other Cardinal player strut after hitting a HR just like Albert does? I don’t. And I don’t think you do either. That’s the difference between Sir Albert and Prince Fielder and Ryan Braun (Fielder and Braun are NOT elite players). Nuff said.

Go Cards!
Louie Bird 17

Copied from THs blog

So, the St. Louis Cardinals are taking offense to all sorts of the things the Brewers are doing that they consider a breach of etiquette.

Yes, reliever Carlos Villanueva got too excited and demonstrative after getting out of a bases-loaded jam Wednesday night. And Albert Pujols took offense to it, in essence challenging Villanueva to a fight on the field.

Pujols might have been right about that incident. Brewers manager Ned Yost said Villanueva let his emotions get away from him, which happens at times with young players. But Pujols doesn’t mind posing and watching his majestic home runs when he crushes one against a pitcher, which isn’t exactly a sign of respect.

And supposedly the Cards took offense to the Brewers’ players pulling out their jerseys after winning the game Tuesday night. They insisted that’s a way of trying to show up the opponent.

The Brewers have been pulling their jerseys out after victories all season, in essence out of respect and solidarity with centerfielder Mike Cameron. Cameron started doing it a long time ago as a tribute to his working class father, who would come home after a long day at work and untuck his shirt and sit down and relax.

Early in the year, it was just the outfielders who did that with Cameron after victories. Then the infielders wanted in on the act. This is really a close, hard-playing, fun-loving bunch and it is more a bit of camaraderie than anything. God forbid big leaguers be allowed to have any fun.

Here’s what the Cards really hate about the Brewers: The fact that the Brewers now beat them more often than not. St. Louis was accustomed to having its way with Milwaukee over the years but the Brewers went 10-5 this year against the Cards and they didn’t like that much. They liked the Brewers a lot more when they kicked their butts.

Ryan Braun wore out St. Louis pitching all year, batting .459 with seven homers and 13 RBI. So, in the fifth inning Wednesday night, Cards right-hander Adam Wainwright buried a fastball in Braun’s ribs. That’ll show him to beat up our pitching.

Wainwright had pinpoint control all night, not walking a batter in six innings. I guess that particular pitch, with that particular batter, just got away from him. But Braun didn’t say boo. He just took his base.

The Cards like to take the first shot in beanball wars because if the other team retaliates, they lose their pitcher. The first shot is always the free one.

So, Pujols says last night’s antics won’t be forgotten. The teams don’t play again this season, so we’ll see how long memories are next year.

What the Brewers really did wrong Wednesday night was not untucking shirts or being demonstrative on the mound. What they did wrong was let the chance slip away to throw dirt on the Cardinals. Had they not rallied for four runs in the eighth to win, 5-3, the Cards would be 5 1/2 games behind the Brewers in the wild card race, not 3 1/2 games.

That’s what the Brewers really did wrong. Still, they went 10-5 against St. Louis this year. That’s what really upset the Cardinals, who are used to ruling the roost.

Can’t imagine why you would want to come to a site for the Cardinals faithful and even try, 44TAF. I wouldn’t punish myself by going to a Brewers site, so I have trouble understanding your need to come here. To be completely honest, I liked the Brewers until this year. If the Cards couldn’t go to the postseason, I was rooting for Milwaukee to go. Figured they deserved it after all the years of losing. I would have much preferred that over the Cubs. But, now I don’t think I can root for Milwaukee either. There’s a right way to go about things, otherwise you’re testing the baseball gods. And that right way is to keep your heads down, play the game hard, and keep some humility, realizing that there is a long way to go in the season and anything can happen, even when you’ve gone out and given the earth to rent a player like C.C. Sabathia. So sorry, but now I’m wanting the Phillies to win the wild card if the Cards don’t. At least they know how to keep it real.

Idomino - you, like this ‘journalist’ and the rest of the carDUInal faithful commenting here, are complete hypocrites. When Puljos showboats what do you have to say about that? How about the classless move of drilling a guy in his injured ribs? Instead of Villanueva retaliting by drilling a carDUInal he just got them out. Big deal that he was pumped about it. You talk about class and humility but yet I dont see alot of that being demonstrated by the carDUInals or their fans. Prior to yesterday I respected the St. Louis franchise and their fans - but you have all clearly demonstrated that the carDUInals and their fans are nothing but a bunch of crybabies like the cubs and their fans.

GoBrewers and 44TAF

Since you have decided to come into the Red Bird neighborhood, you are most welcome, but please do not get so upset at the Red Bird family as we do our daily family chat chirp amongst one another. It’s one thing for family to chew out family, but when a stranger comes along and chews us out it can only lead to a Red Bird uprising. It’s kind of like an invader in a bee hive.

With that said, I do appreciate your ferver for your team. Us Cards fans can appreciate that. Go in peace, have a hot dog and a Millier Hi-Life on the way home and enjoy your Brew crew. By the way, Pennants and Championships are hard to come by. But then I am not telling you nothing you don’t already know.

As a Brewers fan, I have to say that I am getting sick of the home run watching that I have seen by Braun, Fielder, and Hall. Especially Hall since he sucks, but I digress. Going into this series I knew that Braun was going to get drilled, and I had no problem with it. Its the way baseball works. I didn’t see the incident with Carlos as I went to bed early, but if what is said is true, he was out of line. As for the shirt untucking, its meant to honor Mike Cameron’s father, but we probably should wait til the dugout for clubhouse to do it. The Cardinals are a good team, even if it is a rebuilding year for them. I’m just excited that the Brewers are good this year. I’ve been a fan since I was born in 1980, and I’ve gone to as many games as I can since then. I actually liked it better when the Brewers sucked because it was easier to get seats and getting in and out of the parking lots were a hell of a lot easier lol. But it is what it is, and I’m just enjoying the ride while it lasts. We won’t be good forever, so we just gotta enjoy it while we can. Sorry for such a long post on a Cardinals blog. Good luck the rest of the season and we’ll see what happens. Just please beat the crap out of the Cubs, I can’t stand them.

I am glad things are finally getting more rational on here. Honestly speaking, I do appreciate the legitimate comments by the Brewer fans. I know that when one of your own comes under fire, you want to be there to defend him. The very same goes for us Cards fans. The name calling and the cursing needs to stop. I don’t understand why we can’t talk baseball like mature adults should be able to do. The guys on ESPN’s PTI don’t get this rambunctious. So why do we have to? It’s clearly obvious that you have your OPINIONS and we have ours.

I do wish the Brewers good luck the rest of the season and may the best team win the Wild Card.

Peace and Go Cards!
Louie Bird 17

Oh, and sorry that some of our idiot fans went after Jack Buck and Josh Hancock. That was uncalled for. You can make a point without being disrespectful. I always thought Jack Buck was a great broadcaster. I miss some of his calls from the late 80s and early 90s on the WS broadcast. “I don’t believe what I just saw” and “And we’ll see you tomorrow night” still give me chills when I hear them, even though I was rooting for the other team both times lol. And Louie, I have to disagree with you. PTI, or as I refer to it Watch Me While I Shout My Opinion, gets pretty heated in their discussions. They don’t get as nasty as some of these comments have been, but they can be pretty heated

Since you asked, GoBrewers, I don’t particularly care for it when Albert watches his homeruns. But, I can tolerate it a heck of a lot more with him than I can with a neophyte like Ryan Braun. When Ryan Braun has won a batting title or two and an MVP, then I will tolerate it from him. You don’t see other Cardinals admiring their homeruns do you? If Ryan Ludwick were doing that this year, I would be just as disgusted as I am with Braun. The difference is, Ludwick has the humility to understand he hasn’t earned it. That’s how it is in baseball. You can call me (and Bernie) a hypocrite if it makes you feel better, but on a veteran team, Braun would have been beat down for doing that garbage. As for Wainwright drilling Braun in the ribs on purpose, I’d like to know what evidence you think you have. Waino isn’t known for intentionally drilling other players and I seriously doubt that even he has the control to pinpoint Brauns’ ribs, especially in just his 2nd start after 2-plus months on the DL (don’t you think that would be a more reasonable explanation?). But even if it was intentional, you need to grow up and realize that’s one of the ways that players police themselves. By the way, don’t accuse us of whining if you’re going to continue to whine about that, just like you did last year. And here’s something else for you. You better be damm glad that none of your pitchers got into another beanball match with the Cards. If you remember, that lack of discipline on the part of your manager is what led to the Brewers meltdown last year. You can bet that Tony LaRussa wouldn’t let another manager get into his head like that with a pennant race on the line. Who knows? Maybe Tony was trying to get into Yost’s head again this year. If that was the case (and I doubt it), then good for Yost for not letting him. That shows growth.

Oh, one more thing GoBrewers: You are just overwhelming us all with YOUR show of class by continually using the CarDUInal thing. Every team has their issues and players are human beings like the rest of the population. You’re right up there with the other classless Brewers fans who decided to take a run at two DEAD men. Tsk, tsk. I grew up 5 miles from the Wisconsin border and I can tell you that I have never in my life seen more beer flow or heavier drinkers anywhere. Goes right along with the drunk driver that hit my car last time I was in Milwaukee. You know what they say about glass houses…

Geez, you guys are a bunch of whiners!! The Brewers are disrespecting you because they untuck their shirts? The only reason you’re whining is because the Cardinals haven’t owned the Brewers this year as in the past. This is from someone who WAS a Cardinal fan for the first 22 years of my life.

Mattyo80,
I watch PTI also and yes they do get pretty heated but my point is they don’t get out of control and down right nasty or say demoralizing things about someone whom is deceased.

Go Cards!
Louie Bird 17

OK, I think the whole “untucking their shirts” was a little ridiculous, and most Cards fans took it to far and made too big a deal about it.

I think there is a difference between shouting at somebodys dugout, like Villanueva did, and staring down a home run ,like AP. I don’t have an issue with guys showing emotion. The Brewers were in some real trouble ,and Villanueva got out of what at the time looked to be a game deciding situation. Nothing wrong if he wanted to pump his fist, it was the middle of a very important series. But he directed, or so AP felt, at the Cards dugout.

This 2009 club is a great example of unity. AP stood up for his teamates and Yadi and Glaus had his back.

Agree Louie.

Great so we can disregard the idiot Brewer fans and their mocking of dead Cardinal greats. And we can disregard idiot Cardinal fans (the man who wrote this article and anybody else that takes offense to untucked shirts). Think about how lame that is. Cameron has been untucking his shirts for years. The rest of the Brewers picked up on it. Also it should be noted that the Cardinals had the A-hole play of the night when wainwright intentionally hit Braun in the ribs for destroying their team this year. Retaliation beans are fine for poor sportsmanship (Hitting a Brewer for Villanueva is an example), but hitting a player for destroying your team is just pathetic. It is more about trying to hurt the player than retaliation. BTW for you Cardinal fans you can showboat on a clutch HR (Braun) no matter who you are, but Pujols showboats on all of them.

It’s the Cards against the world. Whatever gets you motivated to play: Slow home run trots, bean ball, arguing with the umps, slamming your gear on the ground in front of the ump, a quirky self-absorbed genius manager with who likes to imbibe and drive, imagine that a 24 year-old pitcher in his 2nd major league year that got banished to the bullpen is the antiChrist, basically blame your whole 2008 situation on someone outside the organization. You finally have some competition in the Central Division and you are so mad you could swear in mulitple languages and wave your bat at them. Do whatever it takes to motivate millionaire adults playing a kids game. Excuse Milwaukee for enjoying it’s best shot at the playoffs in 26 years and best season in 16 years. And don’t take it so personally. Get mad at the guys who really have your number this year - the Cubs.

This has been interesting to see that Brewers “fans” have finally discovered the existence of a Major League Baseball franchise in their vicinity. Talk about bandwagon fans … welcome to the big leagues.

Thanks for visiting. We’ve had a good time.

-B