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08.28.2008 12:33 am

Pujols Stands Up for STL

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Good evening from Busch Stadium. What a comeback. What a ballgame. The Cardinals take it, 5-3, from the Brewers to keep hope alive in their desperate quest for the Wild Card playoff spot.

The Cardinals’ four-run rally in the eighth to erase a 3-1 deficit was the story of the night. And the crucial win put them to 3.5 games behind the Brewers, which is a lot better place to be than 5.5 games with 28 contests remaining.

But almost as compelling was the drama on the field after Milwaukee reliever Carlos Villanueva got Joe Mather to pop up to hush a bases-loaded threat and end the seventh inning.

The Cardinals say Villanueva pumped his fists, flexed, and pointed into their dugout.

Cardinals first baseman Albert Pujols was deeply offended and confronted Villanueva as the teams were leaving the field at the end of the 7th.

For those who missed any of the post-game sound on FSN Midwest, I’ll try to provide an unoffocial transcript of Pujols’ comments. I did some editing and left out some of the loose ends that weren’t important. I also wrote in some questions here in an attempt to give Pujols’ comments the proper context:

Q: What happened there with you and Villanueva?

Pujols: “When they start pointing into the dugout, and doing and saying all the things that he was saying, a guy that respects the game like myself, I don’t appreciate that. And I had to let him know. And I guess he did us a favor because he woke up a sleeping giant. We came back and responded with four runs in the eighth inning. They have a young ballclub. They’re pretty good. I respect the way they play the game. And when you see a guy disrespecting the game – obviously they pretty much beat us all year long. You don’t have to do a stupid thing like that to disrespect this game. I let him know I didn’t appreciate it. He was still yelling and talking crap and running away. I wanted him to stop and face me. I respect this game. And I didn’t appreciate the way he disrespected us. I didn’t care if he yelled, but when you start pointing into the dugout, that;s not professional right there.”

Q: Was this something that Pujols felt he had to do as the leader of the ballclub?

Pujols: ”If I see anybody on our ballclub doing stupid stuff like that, I’m going to pull them to the side, and I’m going to (get) into their face. You don’t do that on this level.”

Q: Does Pujols really believe that Villanueva ‘woke a sleeping giant?’

Pujols: “He did us a favor. We came back and we pulled it the through. And I’m glad he did that. So I congratulate him for doing that to us.”

Q: What did Pujols say to Villanueva?

Pujols: “I told him to shut up and go to the dugout, he doesn’t have to do that. That’s when he said something in Spanish that I don’t want to say to you guys. But that’s when I got fired up. I told him to stop and come and say that to my face, but he was running away. That’s allright. I’m going to see him later.”

Q: Did Villanueva curse Pujols?

Pujols: “Yeah, very much. But I didn’t care about the things he said to me. It was more that he disrespected my team by pointing into the dugout. He can curse me out and say whatever he wants. I don’t care. But when he disrespects my teammates I need to stand up for my teammates. I don’t appreciate that.”

Note from Bernie: I was wondering about Pujols’ tendency to stare at his home runs at times … which has drawn criticism from some media and fans. Isn’t that showing up the pitcher? Isn’t that disrespectful? Seems that Albert goes too far at times. But before anyone could ask that, specifically, Pujols addressed the difference — at least as he sees it:

Pujols:  ”I don’t care, I don’t care about (Villanueva) getting excited. It’s the same as hitting a ball out of the ballpark and showing off to the pitcher. But when you start pointing and doing a bunch of crap and doing it to the other dugout … I don’t care if he would have pointed to their dugout and gotten fired up. It’s a big series. It was a big out he got with the bases loaded. He could have done whatever he wanted by pointing to their dugout and getting fired up. But he pointed to the wrong way, to our dugout. I didn’t like that. I had to stand up for my teammates.”

Pujols’ gesture wasn’t overlooked by teammates.

Catcher Yadier Molina heard what Villanueva said to Pujols, and began to bark at the Brewers pitcher.

And Cardinals third baseman Troy Glaus said: “Albert is the leader of this team and he stood up for his teammates. It was nice to see.”

OK, a few comments from this here scribe on the episode:

* While Pujols’ actions were admirable — very much so — I think it’s a real stretch to believe the 8th inning rally was a direct result of what happened at the end of the 7th when Villanueva made a fool of himself. I think the Cardinals were pretty desperate at that point; they just had to win that game. While Glaus conceded that “a little (motivational) fire doesn’t hurt,” he politely contested the notion that Villanueva caused the Cardinals to raise their agression and their game.

“Lookit, we’re going to play hard no matter what,” Glaus said. “We’re not going to put out any more effort just because something like that happened. That’s not who we are or how we go about playing the game.”I know that goes against an attractive storyline, but I think Glaus is right …* No, the 8th inning comeback wasn’t ignited by Villanueva. It was ignited by Pujols, who had a great AB against tough RH Milwaukee reliever David Riske, drilling one to right-center for an opposite field double. Pujols’ leadership in confronting Villanueva wouldn’t have meant much unless Pujols, the great hitter, stood up to stroke that double to get something positive underway in the 8th. Ryan Ludwick - who absolutely should be the full-time cleanup hitter — followed with his own double to make it 3-2. Glaus singled in Luddy to tie it at 3-3. And  Glaus made a heads-up baserunning move, taking second base on CF Mike Cameron’s throw home. Then Molina chipped in with an unselfish and smart AB, pushing the ball to the right side for a 4-3 ground out that moved Glaus to third.  Next, manager Tony La Russa won the manager’s duel against Milwaukee’s Ned Yost. With LH hitting Skip Schumaker up, Yost brought in lefty reliever Brian Shouse. Skip doesn’t hit lefties well, so La Russa countered with someone who does: infielder Aaron Miles, a .311 hitter against LHP. And Miles was 2 for 4 against Shouse. Miles didn’t have a great AB, but he chopped a ground ball to shortstop J.J. Hardy, who hurried his throw home to nab Glaus. The throw short-hopped catcher Jason Kendall, and Glaus scored for a 4-3 STL lead. Bottom line: Miles got it done. And after a nifty SAC bunt by pinch-hitter Braden Looper, Felipe Lopez singled to in Miles to make it 5-3. The Cardinals played intelligent, opportunistic, sharply executed baseball in that home half of the 8th. La Russa used his personnel the right way. A pitcher, Looper, came off the bench to execute a SAC bunt. Glaus ran the bases perfectly. The thumpers (Pujols and Ludwick) got the ball flying. Miles put the ball in play. Lopez did what he had to do. Molina gave himself up to move Glaus over. I’m probably forgetting something; just about everyone who stepped on the field for the Cardinals in the 8th put in their piece.

Did the chucklehead Villanueva incite the Cardinals? Maybe.

But I’d like to think that Pujols got ‘em going, and the Cardinals kicked in and played an excellent inning of baseball.

* One more thing: I don’t understand the Brewers. I just don’t. Really, I admire that team and its talent. Doug Melvin is one of the best guys in the game and an excellent GM. There are so many good players on that roster. But why do the Brewers always have to pull stunts? Why do they have to go knucklehead on us so often? What’s up with yanking their shirts out of their pants on the field as soon as they win a game, which, despite what they claim, really is an insult to the other team? What’s up with some of the showboat HR trots? What’s up with a journeyman like Villanueva gesturing wildly and cursing in the direction of the STL dugout? I don’t understand why this talented team feels that it needs to act up like NBA bad boy Ron Artest, or something. I don’t understand why this Milwaukee team feels the need to be controversial. I don’t understand the arrogance, considering that the Brewers have won NOTHING since 1982. And I don’t understand how Yost continues to allow it to happen. The Brewers will probably make the playoffs. They are that good. But we must ask: can you fellas at least hold off on the showboating until you actually win something?

Oh, and one more thing before I go.

Two words: Chris Perez.

Thanks for reading, and sorry I broke my vow to write shorter blogs… but I guessed you might want to see all of Pujols’ comnents.

-B

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One more time.
Passion is one thing, just don’t mistake it for immaturity or arragonce.
BTW
Albert was in the on deck circle..a heck of a lot closer than we are watching the replay. So, either Villy did point to the dugout as Albert says he did or Albert is one sly fox for stirring up what he figured the ’sleeping giant’ needed and he took his opportunity to do it.

That said, it’s all water under the bridge!
The Brewers certainly have a competative team and kudos for their success. It is good to see they have passionate fans for the ‘greatest game’.
However,
I am not ready to concede to say they ‘will probably make the playoffs’. - that, I think, would mean the Cardinals won’t.
Let’s just play the games between the lines and see how September unfolds.
Who beats the flubs for nl champs???

— TexasT
12:13 pm August 28th, 2008

“What’s up with yanking their shirts out of their pants on the field as soon as they win a game, which, despite what they claim, really is an insult to the other team?”

-Actually, that came from Mike Cameron, who did it as a tribute to his dad. Your right, very insulting….very insulting that you wrote this article in the first place.

“What’s up with some of the showboat HR trots?”

-Amazing that you can go from excusing Pujols for doing the SAME THING, to then criticizing the Brewers for doing that. Can you say “hypocrite?”

“What’s up with a journeyman like Villanueva gesturing wildly and cursing in the direction of the STL dugout?”

-Journeyman?? Check your facts before you attempt journalism…

“I don’t understand why this talented team feels that it needs to act up like NBA bad boy Ron Artest, or something.”

-HUH?? Ron Artest? Did one of the Brewers jump into the stands and beat the snot out of someone? Did I miss something? Or is this just a REALLY dumb comment, from someone who isn’t even totally informed about the team he’s attempting to criticize.

“I don’t understand the arrogance, considering that the Brewers have won NOTHING since 1982.”

-So here you are whining about supposed Brewer “arrogance,” and yet then you pull a snotty little comment like this out of your butt. Nice going! Isn’t the job of a journalist supposed to be somewhat free of emotions, when writing on a subject? Wow, what a whiner…what would you like the Brewers to do, Bernie? Would you like them to bow before the Card’s dugout, every time they leave the stadium? This isn’t the past. The Brewers past failures mean nothing TODAY, because TODAY, the Cards are the ones looking up at the Brewers. You don’t like it? Tell your team to get a better bullpen, and maybe then the Brewers wouldn’t walk all over your team in their own house. I’ve never seen a bigger piece of hypocritical BS in my life. You complain about the Brewers showboating, all while turning a blind eye when the face of your franchise feels the need to do it all the time. Get over yourself, would ya? And take a cold shower, or something. This whole article sounds like you had tears welling up in your eyes the whole time. Calm down, realize this was a dumb article to write in the first place, and then get back to writing. I have nothing but respect for the Cardinals organization, as a Brewer fan. Unlike Cubs fans, whom we can talk trash too, seeing as they haven’t won anything either, we can’t do as such with the Cards. But choosing to compare the Brewers to a POS like Ron Artest, is completely wrong, completely uninformed, and absolute bush-league journalism. I hope some of you can look past the fact that, for once, the Brewers are among the big dogs this year, and that this article is just a giant heap of sour grapes. This was not a bash on the Cardinals, or their players, or their manager. Larussa is brilliant, and Pujols is a first ballot HOFer. I just get upset when “journalists,” choose to step outside the lines of what their job is supposed to entail, and instead write emotional, whiney op-ed columns like this. Go Brewers, and whoever is playing the Cubs (something I think we all can agree on).

— dizz18
12:17 pm August 28th, 2008

Bernie-
Besides Braun and Hall, and lasts nights Villy instance. Who else on the Brewers showboats? You keep saying all the showboating. The Brewers aren’t showboating anymore than any other team out there. Perhaps you are exaggerating for the sake of your article. Or maybe you’ve seen Braun jack so many home runs this year, that sticks in your head. You know what’s funny though, Braun never showboats as much against other teams. Maybe the whiney Cards bring out the best of him. In the past, if he stares one down too long, Ned has usually scolded him afterwards. Not against the Cards though? And as for the 10 championships. Congrats, they were well earned. But typically that argument is reserved for a 10 year old.

— cc6363
12:18 pm August 28th, 2008

All this whining makes you CarDUInal fans sound like cubs fans. Pathetic.

— GoBrewers
12:24 pm August 28th, 2008

I suspect Bernie and the paper got what they wanted. I’m sure a bunch of Crew fans created an account today.

Braun? The guy celebrates no more than a majority of players. Nothing like Pujols. Then, he trots around the bases in an expedient manner. He’s not really a showboat. Maybe Hall and sometimes Fielder. The Crew are filled with a bunch of classy players. Hart, Cameron, Kendall, Hardy, Sheets, etc., so quit trying to make something out of nothing.

— HarveysWallbangers
12:28 pm August 28th, 2008

I think it is pretty pathetic how the cards are acting. All those games that Pujols admires his home runs and pounds on his chest? Get off your high horse and let another team celebrate for once. It is almost comical how the cards fans/beat writers are acting, they dished it out for so many years to the entire division, and now they can’t take it. Why don’t you go look up some videos of late 90s early 00s games against the other top teams in the division. Strike that, ANY team in the division. I watched Pujols and the cards showboat for years, throwing it in the Crews, Cubs and stros faces that they were a better team. I just can’t believe the mighty cards have turned into a bunch of cardinal chics. Just pathetic, tip your hat to other teams this year, much like Brewers have done for cards SO MANY YEARS, because you know 2-3 years ago you will be on top again. If you don’t, I hope we bean Pujols every time we play the cards when we are no longer contenders (probably next year).

— Sublime
12:29 pm August 28th, 2008

that was the kind of win that can spark a good stretch run. lets hope it does. no credit goes to the knucklehead pitcher. the only thing that could have done was scare the brewers into not playing as well.

— brad682
12:37 pm August 28th, 2008

I never said it wasn’t o.k. for Villeneuva to get excited. He’s a young guy, so he has a right to get excited when he makes a big out. Like said, I didn’t see the replay of what went on after he got the out. That’s why I can’t say who was in the right or the wrong, Albert or Villeneuva.

But, will say this. If he did point, flex, gesture, shout obscenities, whatever toward our dugout, then comparing the two is a moot point. It’s like comparing apples to oranges. There’s just no place for those kinds of antics. Although, will also say, don’t like ANYONE admiring their HR’s. There’s no place for that, either. We should prob just chalk all of this up to getting caught up in the moment, whether it be hitting a clutch HR or getting a clutch out.

But listen, players get plunked in baseball all the time. That’s been going on since the inception of the sport. There’s a place for it in the game. Sometimes it’s intentional, sometimes unintentional. Sometimes it’s obvious when it is, sometimes it isn’t. Who knows if Braun gettin’ hit was or wasn’t. If Pujols or Luddy or Glaus would’ve gotten hit after the fact, I wouldn’t have been upset. I actually expected Yost to order that sometime after that happened, and was surprised he didn’t, considering where the ball hit him.

But I’m sure it was just coincidence (wink, wink :-))

— mtsmelik@yahoo.com
12:40 pm August 28th, 2008

As a Brewer fan in St. Louis, I have to comment here, especially when you’re using an opinion full of exaggerations Bernie. It’s no wonder that your home team’s manager isn’t a big fan of you.
I agree that Villanueva was out of line last night and should have just walked off the field. And if you interviewed Yost about it, Bernie, you would have found that he did not support it and most definitely talked with him about it. So don’t say that Yost allows these “stunts” to happen. It’s just like any behavior, good or bad, a player puts forth on the field. The manager can’t hit or pitch for his players and he certainly can’t emotionally react for his players either. Overall, it was an emotional moment and Villanueva got caught up in it. Pujols called him out and hopefully he’ll keep himself in check in the future. But I’d rather have an emotional player out there than a bunch of corpses like I saw wearing red on Tuesday. No fire? No thank you. That’s why you seem to be ok with Pujols’ sky pointing and ball watching. I say seem because you sure didn’t comment on it, yet the Brewers are not allowed to do it?
And would someone PLEASE stop talking about the shirt untucking. WTeff is the big deal? It’s not showboating, it’s not being arrogant, it’s not an insult to anyone. If someone is taking it as an insult, they aren’t saying anything about it. It’s not a Busch or Cardinals-specific gesture; they do it after every win. Did you interview Miles about it like FOX2 did? He wasn’t offended. Please, publish one, legitimate quote from a real player who is offended by this. How is it different than a high five, a jump-around at home plate, or celebratory dance/gesture/whatever that other players do, one example being the Mets? If you know why they do it, again, which would require some reporting on your part, you’d know that Mike Cameron started it as a tribute to his dad and signifying that the work is over. It is definitely a team-unifying thing, something this team really needed.
I think you also need to look over your definition of journeyman. Maybe you’re thinking of Charlie Villanueva of the NBA. At least he’s played for more than one pro team, which cannot be said about CARLOS Villanueva.
And also good picking up on Braun getting drilled in the ribs. But “that’s baseball” or “it got away,” right? And, being the Cardinals’ version of Ron Santo, that’s ok with you, too (as long as we’re using comparisons. Ron Artest? Seriously?).
Make sure you’re without sin yourself before you throw the first stone.

— DividebyZero
12:47 pm August 28th, 2008

Thanks for the response Bernie,

Welcome to all the Brewers fans! A few quick responses from me:

# You are right - “journeyman” is an incorrect term for Villanueva. I apologize for the poor word choice.

- pcl - Yea, this guy is a kid. I’m sure he would be happy to be called a journeyman though.

# As I’ve said many times, I think the Brewers have a really good team. And I have never hesitated to praise them. You want some proof? Go back and read the two prior blog entries to this one. And I picked the Brewers to win the division the last two seasons.

- pcl - No proof needed. Just watch the trash talk as a journalist. Makes the rest of us look bad.

# Call me old school, but I don’t like all of the showboating from a team that hasn’t won anything. Some strutting and cockiness is fine, but a team should earn it first.

- pcl - ok Old School, you got it. This is the MLB, best players in the world, showboating has been earned by them all.

# If “Villy” did nothing wrong, then why did your boy Ned Yost criticize him in comments made to reporters after the game? Hmmm.

- pcl - Ned Yost is one of the most disliked coaches in Brewers’ history. The general public in Brewers land would say he is just being Ned (ignorant).

# I’m a columnist and they pay me to write my opinions.

- pcl - Disregard my point above, thought you were a journalist.

# The primary purpose of the blog was to relay Pujols’ comments - which obviously are the subject of great interest.

- pcl - If that was the purpose why the trash talking?

# Congrats to the Brewers for winning the season series from the Cardinals for the first time since 1999. Somehow I suspect Cardinals fans can turn to the 10 World Series championships their team has won for consolation.

- pcl - I don’t think any Brewers fans around the country are saying this is a ‘my dad could beat up your dad’ situation. Some might argue the Cards should have wont more then 10 (because of their salary) in this terrible division.

# I like it that the Cardinals and the Brewers have a good rivalry going and it definitely heated up this season.

- pcl - And it’s over. Except Albert dealing out a threat to Carlos, “I’m going to see him later.” That was just a bad thing to say.

# Good luck the rest of the way.

- pcl - I’m sure they appreciate it.

— PCL
12:50 pm August 28th, 2008

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