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09.05.2008 1:04 am

Flipping Over Felipe?

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I was talking about this on my radio show the other day, and wanted to see what you thought….

Background: I wasn’t thrilled when the Cardinals signed Washington Nationals castoff Felipe Lopez, who brought a lousy rep to St. Louis when signed by the home team on Aug. 6. Lopez had been released by the Nats, and his effort was questioned by the team’s GM. It’s true that Lopez once hit 23 bombs in a season, for the Reds in 2005. But he signed a pretty fat deal and his performance began to deteriorate. Lopez looked done. Or he looked like a guy who just didn’t care.

When GM John Mozeliak signed Lopez, it was the only move made by the Cardinals to counter NL Central acquisitions such as CC Sabathia (Brewers), Rich Harden and Chad Gaudin (Cubs) and Randy Wolf (Astros).  And the move wasn’t exactly a thunderclap. No shock waves. It was akin to (as El Diablo, Joe Strauss, would say) a dumpster dive.

At the time, I said that maybe Lopez would benefit from playing for a hard-edged manager like Tony La Russa, who doesn’t put up with malingerers. And that maybe Lopez would wise up and realize that he had to take advantage of this opportunity. I think I mentioned that Cardinald coach Jose Oquendo could be positive influence. I think a few of you mentioned that Albert Pujols would be a potential kick-starter for Lopez.

For whatever the reason, Lopez has played surprisingly well as a Cardinal.

It’s a small sample size and all that, but it’s difficult to sneer at what he’s done so far:

* 29 hits in 69 ABs, .377 BA

* .434 OBP

* .551 SLG

Lopez has displayed some pop, which isn’t common among the current middle-infield population on the roster. Lopez has two homers, two doubles and two triples. He’s stolen three bases in four attempts. He’s been spotted at four positions by La Russa: Second Base (12 appearances), Left Field (6), Shortstop (4) and Third Base (3).

What do we know of his defense?

Well, I checked the game-by-game Zone Ratings at STATS and here’s what I found:

- At SS, eight balls have been hit into his zone, and Lopez recorded eight outs. In other words, he hasn’t missed one he should have gotten to.

- At 2B, not as good: 26 balls hit into his zone, and he’s gotten 18 outs.   That’s a Zone Rating of .692. Feel free to disregard Lopez’s small sample size. But Aaron Miles has an .811 ZR at second, and Adam Kennedy’s ZR is .860.

- At 3B, Lopez has gotten outs only three of the five balls hit into his zone. Does not bode well.

- In LF, Lopez has wandered around a bit … according to the Zone Ratings, he’s made outs on only two of the five fly balls hit into his zone. Again: small sample size.

La Russa basically has plugged Lopez into the role once occupied by Scott Spiezio.

Not that it’s a perfect comparison; the Speezer was used at five positions by La Russa. (1B, 3B, LF, RF, a little 2B). But I think you get my point. La Russa loves having guys that he can deploy all over the field, guys who come off  the bench and can get their share of extra-base hits, guys who can switch hit to be of service in TLR’s late-inning strategic maneuvers. Lopez, like Spiezio, plays multiple positions — and is a switch hitter, too. Lopez doesn’t have Speezer’s power, but he’s faster. As a Cardinal, Lopez is 8 for 22 vs. LHP  (.364), and 18 for 47 vs. RHP (.383.).

OK, so where do we go from here?

Questions:

@ Have you seen enough positives from Lopez to want him back in a Cardinal uniform in 2009?

@ If so, do you think he’s capable of being a desired starter at SS or 2B?  

@ Given his past history of apparent indifference, do you dare give Lopez a two-year deal?

@ One year and a team option for a second?

@ Or is this goodbye? See ya?

My quick opinion: I think Lopez has a shot to be a consistent and useful player again, because of the various factors: winning team, Manager TLR, teammates who push. Would I make the leap for anything beyond a 1-and-option type deal worth around $1 million or $1.5 million per season? Probably not.

Express yourselves.  

Interested in your thoughts.

***

While you mull that one over, here’s an update (not exactly a preview) of the Florida Marlins, who on Friday night open a  3-game weekend series at Busch. When the Cardinals went to FLA for a four-game set starting Aug. 11, the Marlins were 62-56 and only 2.5 games out of first in the NL East. They’ve slumped, losing 13 of the last 22, and find themselves 8 out in the division, and 9 out in the wild card, with a record of 71-69.

The strikeout meter continues to click at a fast rate… like a toll booth on FLA’s I-95 …

During this 9-13 stretch, Florida hitters have struck out an impressive (no, really) 174 times in 22 games, an average of nearly 8 Ks per game. They have fanned 1,193 times this season, most in the NL. And at the current season rate of 8.52 Ks per game, the Marlins are on a pace to finish with 1,380 strikeouts. And that would put them high up on the list of NL teams that struck out the most in a season.

The Top Five:

1.  2001  Brewers,  1,399

2.  2004 Reds,  1,335

3.  2007 Marlins,  1,332

4.  2003 Reds,  1,326

5.   2004, Brewers, 1,312

Three of TLR’s teams made the top (or is it the bottom?) 25 for most Ks in a season: 

1,253 whiffs in 2000;

1,202 Ks in 1999;

1,191 in 1997

I’ll probably be adding a few more notes during the late-morning hours on Friday…

thanks for reading…

-B

22 comments

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I was just thinking about how much I have been impressed with Lopez the other day. I definitely think signing him to the deal you mentioned would be a no-brainer. In an ideal world, I would like to see the Cardinals try and bring in a top-tier middle infielder, but since I think that is as likely to happen as Todd Zeile being elected to the Hall of Fame, Lopez seems like a nice fit.

— westudi
1:55 am September 5th, 2008

i initially did not understand the signing but now my vision is clearer. He remains a defensive liability though I see his usefulness in Tony’ss scheme of thing. A one year deal with an option.

— 10XCHP
4:20 am September 5th, 2008

HI Bernie,

If Tony Stays then the “Always On” attitude stays. In that circumstance Lopez is likely to be a productive asset.

Personally, I think the shortstop and second basemen must be substantially upgraded to a level of excellence. I am a great fan of Miles and Kennedy, but we need a killer bat at one of those positions. Ozzie was never a power hitter but sprayed the ball around and had a knack for coming up big when it really counted. His DEFENSE….. is still missed.

WE have a talented group of outfielders, the corners are solid in for next year and Glaus I suspect will only get better after having seen NL pitching for a year. Molina is the best catcher in baseball and beginning to show it with a bat too.

Short and second are the two weakest points with bats. We need a solid hitter at each position. I see Lopez as a good backup so where is the BEEF?

Driving 1590 miles from Montana to St. Louis for Sundays GAME…. Let’s Go BirdS!!!!

Tim Barksdale
Choteau, MT

— MTBleedRed18
6:52 am September 5th, 2008

Bernie,

To offer Lopez any kind of a deal would be a gamble. But, if he’d agree to a year with an option on the cheap, I could see keeping him around as a role player. I think it is brutally honest that we need a major upgrade at one of the middle IF positions for sure, preferably at SS. Not sure we have enough to package a deal for a quality SS, or whether any team out there will be willing to deal a SS to us. There are some decent names out there in free agency this winter, but I’m not sure I’d break the bank to land any of them. I think the bullpen has to be a priority first.

— Cardsballhawk
7:03 am September 5th, 2008

Bernie, I totally disagree. In my opinion Looser Lopez has done nothing but hurt the club. When Lopez arrived we were in the lead for the wild card spot. The club sends our spark plug, Ryan, down, starts playing Lopez, and they go into the tank. Lopez can’t hit nearly as well as Miles, he has NO range in the infield, and he doesn’t hustle. He strikes out, the catcher drops the ball, and he just stands there and lets the catcher tag him out. No excuse for that. I wish they would ship him out now and start using Ryan again. Then you might see some spark in the club. There is certainly no spark with Looser Lopez playing.

— Charlie911
7:48 am September 5th, 2008

TLR seems to love Felipe. I don’t see it. Give me Aaron Miles. Miles gives tough ABs, contact, heads up plays and hustle is never in question. I could see the appeal to put Felipe at SS. He seems to offer more offense than Izaturis.

I like his versatility and think Felipe would make a good utility infielder.

— Keys Card Fan
8:26 am September 5th, 2008

I like Lopez a lot.
Sign in for ‘08, he’s an upgrade over Kennedy and Ryan.

— ecleme2
8:28 am September 5th, 2008

based on factors you mentioned as far as influence on him, his play here, and mostly his 2 good years in Cincy….YES….sign him as everyday 2b. Speed, XBH…just what they need. Sign Furcal and it’s a dynamic offense.

— dn3524
9:06 am September 5th, 2008

Furcal, Ankiel, Pujols, Ludwick, Glaus, Lopez, Molina, P, Schumaker/Rasmus

THAT’S a lineup

— dn3524
9:11 am September 5th, 2008

SS and 2nd are both defensive positions!! If they can it, that is a positive, not a requirement. They can do much more good (or harm) with their glove than they can with their bat.

Izturis, thougth I hated the acquisition at the time, is a wonderful defensive SS. Leave him alone!

I wouldn’t mind an upgrade at 2nd, but their is a pretty good crop there now to chose from. I’d work real hard to develop Brendan Ryan for that job and hope that Brian Barden can provide some help as well.

I don’t like Lopez and haven’t from the start. He is hitting for a pretty good average, but I don’t sense he is good in the clutch, though that is supposed to be his strength. His defense is not good and that play at Atlanta, though Albert has taken most of the rap for it, will live on as one of the truly most atrocious plays in recent Cardinal history.

Give him one year at the max, but this is no saviour on a white horse.

— gearhead46
9:30 am September 5th, 2008

I watched Lopez play several games in DC - was stunned when our 3rd baseman had to double clutch on a double play ball ‘cuz Lopez hadn’t taken a step towards second to cover - one of three gafes he made that day. I was excited when the Nats got him, but was happy to see him go - not the type of player they needed (excuses, excuses). I hope the change of scenery will do him good, but I wouldn’t give him more than a year. I’d be happy to see his career revive - but am not sure he warrants more trust than that at this point.

— md-arlington
10:09 am September 5th, 2008

I’m not sold on Lopez as a SS, but would like to see him there for at few games in a row to evaluate. When Rolen was traded, we could not keep a SS like Eck because our pitching staff strikes out too few. Izturis has definitely helped this “pitch to contact” staff. With Carpenter and Wainwright back next year, the defensive need at SS goes down slightly. If a strikeout FA pitcher is added to the rotation, SS defense goes down a little more. Lopez is an upgrade over Ryan as the back-up middle infielder, similar in speed and more pop. The real need is some power, 12-18 homers or 30plus doubles from one of the 2 middle infield spots next year. Carrying 4 middle infielders with no power really hurt the bench this year. We need to carry only 3 next year.

— Harvey
10:17 am September 5th, 2008

I have not seen the name of Jimmy Rollins pop up anywhere in these articles/blogs…with his issues with the fans in Philly, what do you think of the Cards trying to trade for him in the off season (Phillies are sure to want to trade him)…he would look great in that lineup!

— STL fan in Beantown
10:25 am September 5th, 2008

Too small of a sample to want to give him anything more than a 1-year deal, No options. He has to prove himself to the Cards and the rest of the league from this point forward if he wants a chance at another decent sized contract, which may never happen, given what happened the last time. Lopez will just need to remind himself that he may need to be pushed, so if he wants to play well and be on a winner, he may have to take less money than playing for a honker.

— whatthetlr?
10:26 am September 5th, 2008

Lopez was a player I wanted the Cards to nab at the start of this year and again at the dead line. I knew his recent play would bring him cheap. However, I never imagined that a flailing team like the nats would just let him go. But never mind that. I saw him play a ton of games against us as a Red and his combination of speed and power was very promising.

This off-season the only middle infielder available that would be an upgrade would be Orlando Hudson. Being the only interesting player there his price may shoot up, up, and away. If the Cards can’t add him, or even if they do a low risk contract for Lopez is still in order. As long as he has Albert to push him along I think he’s better for it.

Next season a middle infield rotation of Hudson, Lopez, Izturis(defensive replacement extrodinare?, and either miles/Ryan/Barden would be very deep and solid. Miles may try and bolt after this year for a starting job in this shallow pool of SB FA’s.

— mu311dude
11:20 am September 5th, 2008

This kind of ties in with the article today regarding TLR. If the Cards resign Lopez for ‘09 then he probably gives them a better shot at winnning than a Tyler Greene or even Brendan Ryan. TLR and Mo have to get on the same page. TLR is probably not going to be the Cards manager for 2009. TLR wants to win now, and developing a prospect(s) is not going to give a chance to bring title number 11 to St.Louis.

The middle infield situation is intersting heading into 2009. There are a lot of options for the middle infield. Greene, Ryan, Miles, Izturis, and Lopez are all potential canidates to draw PT for the 2B and SS jobs. I’d like to see Greene given a shot early in 2009. He uses all fields, has more pop than any of the other canidates, and has a good glove at SS. Ryan I don’t think will turn out to be any more than a utility infielder. But I love his energy and enthusiasm he brings every day. Should be an intersting situation to see things play out…

Back to Lopez… He has some good role models here in St. Louis. Guys like AP and Yadi. Guys that come to work everyday and play hard. We haven’t seen Lopez really struggle ,though. We haven’t seen him have a huge slump. Lets see how he reacts when he is struggling to hit, lets see if he runs down the line hard when then aren’t all rosy

If TLR is the manager, and Mo wants TLR to stick around as the manager then Lopez will be in a Cardinals uniform. My guess is for a one year deal.

— emc2013
11:53 am September 5th, 2008

I am undecided about Lopez. I think he could be an upgrade at 2nd if he plays inspired ball. About the play in Atlanta I was upset with Lopez at first when they failed to make the play. However from what I saw in the replay Albert’s back was to Felipe when he made the pump. Maybe he should realized how far Albert was from the bag and take a couple of steps toward first until Albert was ready.

— wildgelding
12:05 pm September 5th, 2008

I agree with Bernie on the one and option idea. I think Felipe might take it; he was dangerously close to being “out of baseball” when DFA’d by the Nats. He’s still young enough that his agent should be telling him “have 2 solid years in St. L. and there’s still a big contract left in your career.” This is a guy who came up with Cincinnati as THE “next big thing”–so much so that they dumped Barry Larkin for him. Hasn’t gotten there, but sometimes guys get there late (Ludwick). I think there are more high impact 2B available in the off-season than taking a huge injury risk like Furcal, so the Cards could solve both problems.

— Mysterio6
1:56 pm September 5th, 2008

hasn’t he played First as well? I thought he moved to First after Albert was pulled one game at least

— jpdcpa
2:07 pm September 5th, 2008

Get rid of Lopez. He’s playing for a contract now. That’s why he’s playing hard (most of the time). Once he gets it, watch out! I’d rather see the Cardinals give Ryan a real shot to win a regular job! Although he didn’t hit as well as I expected, the Cards were 26-17 in games he started. He’s a winner. Lopez is a proven loser!

— stanley6
4:19 pm September 5th, 2008

I personally try to look at the big picture and not just the single player. First I would like to say I agree with almost everyone on the fact we need an upgrade at either SS or 2B or both. To look at the overall picture we are losing these players and their contracts (unless we resign them): Izzy, Looper, Lohse, Encarnacion, Izturis, Miles, Mulder and Springer. So we will obviously have some money to spend but also many holes to fill.
Lets start with what we have:

1B and 3B is locked with Pujols and Glaus

2B - We have Kennedy signed thru 09 and I am not opposed to seeing him get a majority of the time at 2B next year IF we upgrade other positions. We have Barden who could potential make an impact here as well.

SS - We have Ryan that will get some looks at SS but we need a legit starter as I see Ryan filling the role of Miles if we don’t re-sign Miles.
OF - We have so many candidates for the OF role next year I’m not sure I can name them all…but I will try. I also think if we have any MLB ready bargaining chips it is definitely in the OF. These guys will be in the mix: Ankiel, Ludwick, Duncan, Schumaker, Rasmus, Mather, Barton, Stavinoha and Jon Jay. We have some other guys but none that I feel will be MLB ready.

SP - Wainwright, Carpenter, Pineiro (if we use him as a SP), Wellemyer (maybe), ?

RP - LHP: Johnson, ? RHP: Perez(possible closer), Franklin, Motte(he may not start in the MLB but will be here soon enough),Thompson(will be long relief), McClellan(I don’t see them throwing him in the rotation next year), Kinney

Other players to consider for 09 roster: Garcia, Boggs, Parisi(assuming he doesn’t end up needing Tommy John), M. Worrell(maybe), T. Greene, Mortensen

So looking at this breakdown what are the team needs. Here are my top 3 or 4 which have been discussed by many others on many sites so I am not coming up with a scientific discovery here:

1) At least 1 SP if not 2….1 of them needs to be at least a good #3 type guy
2) At least a SS if not a 2B as well(as stated before I would rather go after a upper tier SS and keep Kennedy at 2B).
3) A LHP specialist for the bullpen
4) Another solid 7 or 8th inning reliever (am hopefully a guy that has closer experience in case Perez implodes…even though I am a big Perez fan as a closer)
5) A big bat (this could come from any position besides corner infield really.

Now you have to look at potential guys to fill these holes in the FA market(assuming teams don’t resign these players):

SS/2B - There are really only 2 guys that could have a big enough impact to justify spending money on them this offseason - Furcal and O-Dawg. Hell that could be our MI tandem though! We may need to make a trade to get a SS/2B though…rumor has it Furcal will resign with Dodgers.

SP - Lets be realistic here as well…Sabathia is not an option! Sheets(We have too many guys coming off injuries to make me feel good about going after him and his snagging injuries every year), Burnett(I think if we go after someone aggressively that could be a #3 or better Burnett is my choice. He has proved to be healthy and dominant at times…I am sure some would disagree with me on this one though), Byrd(this might be a good sign for the right price), Fogg(not high on him), Colon(no thx), Garland(I think he would be a great fit in STL and would be a great #3 type pitcher…now his price tag may be very high), Dempster(no thx…career year gets him stupid money in offseason), Lohse(resigning him…but his price tag will be too high for what his worth will be), Oliver and Odalis Perez (PLEASE NO ON EITHER ONE!), Wolf(For the right price Wolf would be a great #3 type guy), Rogers(I hope not), there are many others but I try to look at pitchers that could be a #3 type guy that would be a good fit. My personal choice is go get Burnett and try to get Wolf or Garland…backup plan Byrd.

RP - There are plenty of specialists (AKA LHP Specialists) and non-backend of the bullpen type guys. As I stated before I think we need to find at least one back of the bullpen type guy that has closer experience. That leaves Fuentes, K-Rod(UHH…HIGHLY DOUBTFUL!), Wood(doubtful as he will want to close wherever he signs), Lyon(this may be a guy that we could get for reasonable money), Torres(if Brewers don’t pick up his option), Everday Eddie(not ideal but if all else fails)…and then the slew of guys I hope we won’t even think about pursuing…AKA Gagne! My take is go after Fuentes(even though someone will outbid us for him), Lyons and a fallback option of Everday Eddie….may need to make a trade though to get someone to fill this void.

Big Bat: This is a rich market for big bats…hopefully we can land one. I am not including guys with options as it is highly likely big name bats options will be picked up or a renegotiate contract. ManRam(not a Cardinal type guy and too pricy), Vlade(doubtful), Bradley(not a character type guy…but very good upside), Burrell(he is such a liability in the OF…kind of like Duncan!), Dunn, Baldelli(doubtful and always injured), Abreu(almost guaranteed he resigns with Yanks), Ibanez(this guy doesn’t get enough hype or credit…he would be a great addition to the club), Juan Rivera(he has alot of pop and his upside is very good…30 HR guy…he obviously didn’t have a great yr though). There are others but these are impact type bigger bats. My preference is to go after Ibanez or Bradley…I think the hard nosed manager and veteran stars (AKA Pujols and Glaus) will keep Bradley’s temper in check.

These are just my thoughts…and if your still reading my post I will be surprised as it was long and drawn out. But I hope they try to snag Lopez with a 1yr deal and have him play a utility and fill in as a starter if someone goes down. GO CARDS!

— jcanaday21
5:20 pm September 5th, 2008

Free Ron Gant.

— jdb57
10:29 pm September 14th, 2008