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02.26.2008 10:56 am

Barton’s knee barks

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JUPITER, Fla. — Cardinals outfielder Brian Barton left the spring training facility Tuesday morning to have his right knee checked out after experiencing soreness in the joint for several days.

Manager Tony La Russa said the Rule 5 pick has been “restricted” in drills.

Barton had surgery on the knee after last season to repair a chronic clicking and discomfort in the joint. The surgery, as described in an earlier blog entry, was what Barton called ”lateral release”, which is a procedure that stops the patella from rubbing against the femur. Barton said he also had some cartilage damage in the knee and that a bone bruise or small fracture had developed.

The Cardinals selected Barton in the offseason’s Rule 5 draft from Cleveland. A year, Barton was considered one of the best prospects in the Indians system, and MiLB.com picked him as its preseason player of the year for Cleveland’s organization. He slipped to the Cardinals in the draft partially because of concerns about his knee. For the Cardinals to retain control of Barton he will have to spend the entire season on the 25-man roster; otherwise, he has to be offered back to Cleveland or a trade agreed upon.

It is possible for Barton to start the season on the disabled list or even on a rehab assignment as he recovers from the knee. 

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P-D Blogs have been down most of the afternoon, so the grand plan to live blog updates from the game and stuff … poof! Instead, shortly, there will be the standard camp update. A little later than usual, but, hey, you get two today and neither mentions the Mitchell Report.

Oops.

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Colby Rasmus hit a home run in the coach-pitch game. Adjust the arrival clock accordingly.

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The Cardinals will play a coach-pitch scrimmage today, with Brendan Ryan being the only player from last year’s major-league team scheduled to appear in the game. Ryan has been asking coaches what his best way to make the team is — is it as a backup shortstop? As a utility infielder? He wants to know where he should be taking groundballs during drills. The answer: second, short and third. Get busy.

The lineups for today’s scrimmage, understanding that La Russa bats the players according to their position number (or there about), with “1″ being the designated hitter.

TEAM MATHENY

  1. Brandon Yarbrough, DH 
  2. David Carpenter, C
  3. Mark Johnson, 1B
  4. Jarrett Hoffpauir, 2B
  5. Brian Barden, SS
  6. David Freese, 3B
  7. Cody Haerther, LF
  8. Colby Rasmus, CF
  9. Nick Stavinoha, RF

TEAM WALKER

  1. Matt Pagnozzi, DH
  2. Nick Derba, C
  3. Bryan Anderson, 1B
  4. D’Angelo Jimenez, 2B
  5. Brendan Ryan, SS
  6. Rico Washington, 3B
  7. Amaury Marti, LF
  8. Joe Mather, CF
  9. Gabe Johnson, RF

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La Russa said Tuesday that he will bat the pitcher eighth this season, and he will start doing so this spring once he inserts the pitcher into the lineup midway through March. According to reports, the Brewers are also considering the Crazy 8 Lineup.

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The local paper — my alma mater, The Palm Beach Post – comes through with two St. Louis-based articles in today’s paper. A strong feature on Scott Spiezio’s rehab, therapy and recovery, by Tom D’Angelo. It even has a headline that this rocker would appreciate. … And, a sidebar on De Smet grad and pitcher Bobby Keppel, a non-roster invitee to Florida’s spring training.

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Will there be an announcement of who is playing in the SLU game sometime today? I know it’s prospects-only, but is that all prospects or will players like Rasmus and Anderson be held out as well?

I know it’s early, but is there now a strong likelihood that Barton starts on the DL/rehab path, especially if someone like Gonzalez has a big spring?

Thanks for the great work. You are a lifesaver in these early days of ST!

— Cardinal70
11:04 am February 26th, 2008

Hey C70, I know this is what I have pitching wise from tomorrow off the Cards site..

Due to Pitch (STL): Mitchell Boggs (2 inn), Clayton Mortensen (2 inn), Jaime Garcia (2 inn), Chris Perez (1 inn)

Be nice to know what position players might be playing!

— cards_jim_edmonds_15
11:44 am February 26th, 2008

Hey, DG…can you confirm that McClellan’s throwing to LaRue means that Tony thinks LaRue will be seeing some of the young prospect on the mound and that’s why his “stock is rising”?

— ExistentialHumanist
11:46 am February 26th, 2008

Is anyone else concerned about the “Crazy 8″ lineup? How long has baseball been around and how often has this idea been used? If it worked consistently wouldn’t it be a common practice by now?

I had high hopes for a fun summer. I didn’t expect much from the team, but I thought it would be fun to see so many new faces and young guys. Between Clement and now Barton I’m starting to sense storm clouds. The only real positive I’m getting so far is Anthony Reyes.

— RCJ
11:56 am February 26th, 2008

Again, this goes back to what seems to be the the philosophy of the Cardinals, draft and sign damaged goods and see if we can bargan our way into a star, or catch “Lightning in a Bottle”.

I’m dissapointed because Barton is a player that could suprise many I feel.

— TheBoss
1:02 pm February 26th, 2008

La Russa said he was tinkering around with a lineup for the SLU game. It will be what the manager has come to refer as “young” players. It will be similar to the players who played in the coach-pitch game Tuesday.

There was always that possibility Barton would start with a rehab assignment. That was talked about — and written about — after the pick.

Excellent question about the “Crazy 8″ lineup (kinda catchy): Could be tradition. Could be lineup theory, which holds that the 8th hitter will get this many more at-bats than the 9th hitter so why give a weaker hitter that many more at-bats. Could be that La Russa has hit on something by instinct — that he can get Pujols an at-bat in the first inning and them have him hit cleanup for the rest of the season.

Scoring runs, after all, is not about maximizing the number of times your 8th hitter bats, it’s about maximizing the number of times your best hitter bats with runners on base.

Just in the “early days”?

dg

— Derrick Goold
1:06 pm February 26th, 2008

I’d guess that a large part of the resistance to a change in the general construction of the lineup would be tradition. If you asked people in the 50s about saving a flame thrower for the last three outs, they’d have said, “Nobody does that. That’s stupid.” Now we do it all the time. Look at the use of sabermetrics. It took a long time for that to be as accepted as it is, and it’s still not as universally embraced as it could be.

So just because no one else is doing it doesn’t mean the change in the lineup isn’t a good thing.

Thanks for the info, CJE. Too bad there’s no televising/radio on the SLU game–that’d be a lot of fun for prospect watchers to see!

— Cardinal70
1:22 pm February 26th, 2008

Odds are the starting pitcher that day is a better offensive threat then C.Izturis anyway…so hitting the pitching 8th is probably better for the offense anyway

— picklefork
1:35 pm February 26th, 2008

I was really dead set against the “Crazy 8″ lineup before, BUT I have come to realize that TLR may be right. Granted the Nos. 8 spot will get about 20 more PA’s during the course of a 162 games. However, today’s Starting Pitchers don’t go the distance in a game like they used to and you end up with double switches and Pinch hitters getting the last PA or 2 of the Pitcher’s slot in the lineup.

So, while the 8 spot may get 20 more PA’s over the season, the Starting Pitchers are still going to have less PA’s than the Nos. 9 spot. Plus, when you figure that the Nos. 9 hitter is going to be either Kennedy or Izturiz, having a PH batting in front of them late in the game is a plus.

DG, if Barton has to spend a considerable amount of this season on the DL what is the Rule for the Rule V draft?

— clevy328
1:39 pm February 26th, 2008

If he is on the DL all year this year, he has to be on the roster all of next year, or we will lose him. Someone else can explain this better than I can, I’m sure.

— Phinstd
1:44 pm February 26th, 2008

DG..Thanks for all the work. Is Josh Phelps getting any run in the OF in spring? You mentioned him as a “name” to look out for the other day and I like him. But unless he can play LF or RF without falling over then he can’t make the team right?

— Brett
2:47 pm February 26th, 2008

I look forward to these updates everyday.

My question concerns the 6 pitchers who went to Duncan’s pre-Spring training “academy”. I know Perez is doing well and everyone seems to be high on McClellan, but what’s up with the others.

— b_hern39
3:17 pm February 26th, 2008

DG

With Barton still having issues with his kneee, what are the chances that Cleveland does not take him back? Was this a consideration when we picked him?

— pete koenig
3:43 pm February 26th, 2008

If Ryan listens to that advice then he’s headed back to Memphis. His best chance to make this team is to convince management that he’s better than Izturis . . . which shouldn’t be all that hard for him to do.

— BNC4477
4:12 pm February 26th, 2008

Hi, Daddy! I can’t wait to come see you. Three more sleeptimes!

— Ian
4:21 pm February 26th, 2008

Why is Bryan Anderson listed at 1B on Team Walker? I thought his value was highest as a catcher, meaning a position change was out of the question.

— Billy Peru
4:52 pm February 26th, 2008

Working my way backward, from 16 to 9.

– You will notice that each team had several catchers, including Gabe Johnson in right field. Catchers played first on both teams. Remember, there are a lot of catchers in major-league camp these days and they have to play somewhere. Don’t read anything more into Anderson playing first than you would David Carpenter playing left field. He had not done that since high school …

– Look forward to seeing you too, Little Man Ian. Thanks for the video. Banging away on your Pooh laptop this morning — it’s good to see you haven’t forgotten your father and, apparently, what he does for a living.

– Yes. That would be just awful for Brendan Ryan. Listening to his coaches. How foolish. No good can come of that for him.

– It’s not just Cleveland. If Cleveland doesn’t want him, then every other team in baseball gets a shot at adding him to the 25-man roster before the Cardinals can put him in the minors. The DL/rehab buys time, but doesn’t eliminate the Rule 5 triggers. Not even if he spends all season on the DL. Though, don’t go jumping off bridges. Tuesday’s checkup was not, as of right now, something that would lead to a lost season.

– Perez has pitched well. Mortensen has been the best of that group. All of the pitchers in the minicamp were ahead (as planned) when they hit major league camp, and most have pleased the coaches. The best, by most accounts, have been Mortensen and Ottavino.

– Phelps said he has been approached about taking some time in the outfield. He has done it before, though never in a game. He worked out in the outfield last season for Pittsburgh and also last spring for the Yankees. It’s not foreign land, he said.

dg
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— Derrick Goold
6:08 pm February 26th, 2008

do any of last year’s minor league pitchers have a realistic chance to stick. is there any trade talk at spg. trng?

— roger from lake tahoe
6:19 pm February 26th, 2008

also someone mentioned a baseball website by a guy from st. charles, or someone used to work in stl sports media. anyone remember the name of that website?

— roger from lake tahoe
6:23 pm February 26th, 2008

DG
Thanks for the info regarding rule 5. Had no idea every time got a crack before we could take him back. After his performance against SLU today, may have counted him out too soon.

— pete koenig
4:34 pm February 27th, 2008