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07.31.2008 1:12 pm

The World for Colby Rasmus

St. Louis Post-Dispatch
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TOWER GROVE — A chorus of sources in the past couple weeks have all belted the same tune when it comes to the Cardinals: Any discussion with the local club about possible trades starts with the understanding Colby Rasmus ain’t going anywhere.

Scouts have said it. Other beat writers have heard it. We’ve reported it.

When reports in Pittsburgh — including this one from the Post-Gazette’s beat writer Dejan Kovacevic – surfaced yesterday that Jason Bay “could be had”, the Cardinals were linked to the outfielder because of several years of courtship. Their interest came with a caveat: Rasmus was untouchable. Colleague Joe Strauss hit chairman Bill DeWitt Jr. for his definition of untouchable during a Q&A session at the All-Star break. You’ve all read it (here), to be sure, but here’s the germane excerpt:

Strauss: Is there a chance that Rasmus could play his first major-league game in another uniform?

BDJ: I don’t anticipate that. No.

That’s the message that has gotten around baseball. Despite a slow start, despite a knee injury, the Cardinals perceive Rasmus’ value as much — and probably far more so — as Baseball America’s recent midseason re-ranking of the prospect.

The publication put him as fourth-best in baseball, three behind Matt LaPorta, the prospect that landed Milwaukee C.C. Sabathia.

The chance to land Sabathia (and their depth of minor-league talent) led the Brewers to consider trading their “top” prospect, and there are all sorts of deals that lead teams to redefine the word “untouchable.” Recently, one of the finer and most-established baseball blogs out there — Athletics Nation — pondered the kind of package of players it would take to get the Cardinals to reconsider “untouchable.”

In an entry from July 20, Athletics Nation suggests a mega-package of major-league players to land one minor leaguer: Rasmus. Check out the proposal here:

“The Final Sell-Off: How the A’s Can Land an Elite Hitter”

The breakdown of the deal presented: The Cardinals send Rasmus to Oakland for 2B Mark Ellis, SS Bobby Crosby, RHP Justin Duchscherer, LHP Alan Embree and closer Huston Street. Hard to imagine a package of players who could fill — best-case situation — many of the Cardinals’ needs.

Even harder to imagine it happening.

But it’s a fascinating mental exercise on both ends. How do the Cardinals hold on to the organizational philosophy of building from within for the good of the future when a package like that could so radically change the immediate future? How much are the A’s willing to give up for one bat?

With an hour to go before the trade deadline, thought it would be a good debate on just what ”untouchable” means this time of year, and if there is an another team out there that could offer a package that would change the definition of Rasmus or, for that matter, Kyle Lohse? A few months of Sabathia isn’t enough in exchange for Rasmus. True. Bay and one of those Pirates pitchers? A few months of Brian Fuentes? Several seasons of … George Sherrill?

Five-for-one is an unrealistic haul, bordering on one made for baseball cards not baseball players. But it’s a fascinating what-if scenario.

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I just couldn’t resist throwing the Pujols tidbit in :)

Did Moe ever tell you the story about the drafting of Pujols and how the Cardinals thought they would convert him to catching? Great story.

— Mike Hobson
3:30 pm July 31st, 2008

Next year, if Colby is not hitting at least 25 homers with 25 steals in the majors, it would surprise me greatly. All this talk of “what if this, what if that” is just plain aggravating. Injury is always a risk. Unless a player is super injury-prone (see Mark Prior, Kerry Wood) you can’t factor that into a trade decision.

Sometimes you just gotta go with your gut feeling. Milwaukee is going to be bad next year, and the Cubs may not be very well off either. If we can keep this team together this year, maybe get something for Lohse, I think we can win this AND be in a really, really good position next year when some big contracts come off the books and the other teams in the league are in a down year.

— Chris W.
3:33 pm July 31st, 2008

I disagree that Milwaukuee will be “bad” next year. Obviously they still have alot of pop with guys like Bruan and Fielder. But I just don’t see the Brewers rotation being as strong next year. I would think that they would not be able to resign CC Sabathia and Ben Sheets. Pitching I think will be what seperates the Cardinals from the Brewers next year.

Joey Bombs has looked great against the Braves this series. I wonder about the future of Joey though….I’ve heard everything from, “he could be a 30 HR guy”, and I’ve heard that “he will just become a good 4th outfielder”. Ryan Ludwick becomes a free agent next year. Even though there will be alot of discussion on whether or not Luddy’s great 2008 season was a fluke or not, I think though that he will probably test the market and some team will pick him up and pay him more than the Birds should be willing to give him. So is Joey Bombs the lead candidate to become the everyday LF. TLR has started him in three straight games, and every AB Mighty Joe looks better. So Raz is in CF next year, Ank in right, could Joey Bombs be in left, with Schu as the fourth OF. How much value does Joey have?

I agree that just because Raz has endured a couple of injuries is no reason to trade him. A player like Colby doesn’t come around often. He is a five tool guy. If I was the Cardinals I would resign Lohse. Then let Welle walk next year along with Joel Pineiro , and Looper. I would love to see both Garcia and Boggs with a spot in the rotation. I have rambled on long enough now…….

— emc2013
4:08 pm July 31st, 2008

Mather’s place on the team now — and in the future — remains to be seen, EMC. But Ryan Ludwick is not as free of a free agent as you describe. He is only now hitting his arbitration years. The only way he’s a free agent is if the Cardinals elect not to tender him a contract.

— Derrick Goold
4:14 pm July 31st, 2008

I think the Cardinals need to find a happy minimum between “old players” and “young players”. Seems this organization wants to do one or the other but not both, and its been this way for some time. We’ve traded one extreme (Edmonds, Rolen, Eck) for another (Rasmus, Garcia, Anderson, etc). I mean honestly why do the Cardinals need 7 or 8 outfielders? Barton isn’t going anywhere this year, Ankiel and Ludwick have played and deserved spots in the starting lineup, Schu has been a great leadoff hitter(atleast against right handed pitching), and Mather is looking pretty good lately. I didn’t even mention Chris Duncan. You can’t tell me that Rasmus is a must have player for the Cardinals, if he played SS then I would completely agree but he plays a position that is very very crowded at the moment. For the right package(SS, LHP, 2B?) you absolutely trade Rasmus.

I mean honestly how much better could Colby’s numbers be then what Ludwick and Ankiel have put together this year?

— Scott Fitz
4:37 pm July 31st, 2008

I’ve seen Colby Rasmus in San Antonio when he played for Springfield. On that day, he was wearing baggy pants where I couldn’t help but think he was related to members of the Gas House Gang. Not that this would be a reason to keep the guy, but his performance on the field was tremendous. He is truly a gamer. The Cardinals have a teriffic outfielder entrenched for years to come. Why all the talk about putting him on the trading block to me in incomprehensible. It’s as almost there are Cub fans masquerading as loyal Cardinal fans and saying, “… trade, trade, trade him, you management fools.” Leave it alone fellow Cardinal fans, we have a great thing going for us. In time, you will enjoy the years to come.

— Rick Soat
4:52 pm July 31st, 2008

DG,

Do you have a file for off-season blog ideas? Your Thursday work on both Pujols and Rasmus gave me an idea. Albert is the most heralded player for the franchise since Musial, Rasmus is the most heralded prospect since Albert arrived (with much less fanfare), and the newly drafted Wallace could soon be right behind Colby on the hype-o-meter, if he isn’t already. (It’s very, very early, but he’s tearing it up in the low minors.)

Anyway, it would be interesting to see what the Post-Dispatch and others (maybe your pals at Baseball America?) had to say about Albert when he was drafted, during his one season in the minors, as he was in camp to make the team and early in his rookie year. That would be fun to compare to the more recent compentary and speculation about Rasmus and Wallace. I’d love to see it now, but in the heat of a pennant race I’m … realistic. It seems like it would make a great topic for the January run-up to spring training, though.

— Fuhrig
12:49 am August 1st, 2008

Ludwick will only have 3 ML years of service time after this year. He is arbitration eligible not a free agent. And arbitration eligible for 3 years.

— daniel
1:58 am August 1st, 2008

Five A’s for one Redbird…reminds me of a 1-for-3 trade the two teams pulled off eleven years ago involving Eric Ludwick, T.J. Mathews and Blake Stein going west. Oakland didn’t seem to do too well in that trade, as only one of their players stuck around.

(My anti-spam code for this post ended in DH.)

— Geoff [not Blum]
9:01 am August 1st, 2008

When people start talking about the Cards trading Rasmus and/or a slew of other propsects, I think they are underestimating just how many “value” players (i.e., productive players on the ML roster who are not yet arbitration-eligible or who are perhaps in their 1st arbitration year) this team needs to balance a payroll.

The Cards are looking at a day in the very near future where they are likely going to have Albert making about $20 million per year, Carpenter making around $15 million per year, etc. A team operating on a $100 to $110 million budget can’t support several “big contracts” like those without having a lot of “value” players on the roster to compensate.

By my reckoning, to have long-term stability, the Cards will need to, on average, add three rookie players making the ML minimum per year to balance the payroll and still keep the “star” and “superstar” players that fans have come to know and love wearing the Birds on the Bat.

This organization’s first and foremost objective has to be retaining enough quality prospects throughout the system, given that we know that not all prospects will pan out, to ensure a steady, dependable flow of players to the ML roster. This obviously means hanging onto some prospects who ultimately aren’t going to make make it, but that’s just the price they have to pay for not having perfect knowledge of who is, or isn’t, going to pan out as a ML player.

— M. Mitchell
11:16 am August 1st, 2008

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