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Name the Cardinals’ All-Time 3 Stars

St. Louis Post-Dispatch
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DOWNTOWN — Back in my early days at the P-D covering hockey, the selection of the “Three Stars” at each game was, loosely, my responsibility. Toward the end of the game, a quick straw poll was taken of the other writers in the box. Sometimes the selections were obvious. Sometimes they weren’t. Sometimes they drew compliments. A few times they sparked debate. My name was on the box score, so I took it seriously.

(Ask Chris Kerber about Jean-Sebastien Giguere sometime.)

Tonight ESPN takes hockey’s “Three Star” tradition and applies it to baseball, with a broader, historic range of candidates.

According to a paragraph in Saturday’s Cardinals’ games notes, ESPN’s Baseball Tonight’s panel of experts will begin a monthlong debate on the “top three players all-time for each francise.” The discussion begins tonight and as prelude to the Cardinals-Phillies telecast from Busch Stadium, the Cardinals are the first to get the three-star treatment.

A poll of fans conducted at ESPN.com will help augment the experts’ selections.

But why wait?

During Saturday’s game, we kicked around the three-star concept. Would Evan Longoria already rank in Tampa Bay’s Fab 3? Certainly Carl Crawford is No. 1. How do you pick three New York Yankees? I mean after Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig, that is. Is there a modern player who will crack the top-three lists of the historic franchises — the 18 who were around in 1961, for example? Two candidates: Barry Bonds, obviously, and, in LA, Mike Piazza.

To settle on a Cardinals’ “Three Stars”, we started on the wall.

Out in left field at Busch Stadium, there’s a good shortlist of candidates for the top-three list: They are the retired numbers. With Ducky Medwick and Albert Pujols as, arguably, the only exceptions, the retired numbers will provide the Cardinals’ top three. They are:

1 — Ozzie Smith … 2 — Red Schoendienst … 6 — Stan Musial … 9 — Enos Slaughter … 14 — Ken Boyer … 17 — Dizzy Dean … 20 — Lou Brock … 42 — Bruce Sutter … 45 — Bob Gibson. … STL — Rogers Hornsby.

This is the starting place for any ranking of the top three all-time players in Cardinals history. The online poll is likely to reflect its times, heavily weighing toward modern players or living legends. That said, as Hall of Famer  Rick Hummel and I discussed the “Three Stars” from Cardinals’ history and wondered who should skate away with those honors, there appeared to be two locks and a few candidates for No. 3.

Offer up yours in the comment area below. Mine? Mine:

  1. Musial
  2. Gibson
  3. Hornsby

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Wheres the love for Lou? Stan, Bob, and Lou. Brocks base burglars, Brock’s 3000 hit club, Brockabrellas, this guy was Mr. Cardinal for 2 decades along with Gibby.

— Craig
11:54 am August 3rd, 2008

1.Gibson 2.Pujols 3.Musial

— mm61533
12:05 pm August 3rd, 2008

I completely agree on the top two picks…. I would have to say that I am not too familiar with Hornsby, perhaps a P-D columnist can expand on this subject with a feature on him. My #3 would be Lou Brock. He was such a impact player in 1964 (and again in ‘67 & ‘68, though overshadowed by Cepeda and Gibson in those years) that the Cardinals would have not won the World Championship without him. Of course, it helped that Ken Boyer carried the team in the first half and was the NL MVP that season too. Despite the individual accomplishments, the intrinsic beauty of baseball is that it is a ultimate team sport. It is very interesting that when players sacrifice their stats for the sake of only winning, what an effect it has on a baseball team.

— joe
12:11 pm August 3rd, 2008

I don’t understand how Ozzie cracks the top three. Fantastic defense is a given. But so so on offense by comparison. Brock and Pujols are above Ozzie.

I’ve got a better questions for you, All Time starting lineup:

Brock (CF), Hornsby (2B), Pujols (1B, Musial (LF), Medwick (RF), Simmons(C), Boyer (3B), Smith (SS), Gibson (P)

— RCJ
12:33 pm August 3rd, 2008

Here is a brief quote from “Wikipedia” that will shed some light on Rogers Hornsby’s career. This brief speaks volumes of his deserving standing for the top three.

“Until Barry Bonds reached the peak of his career in 2001, Hornsby was without a serious rival as the best hitter in the history of the National League. He is the only player to win the National League Triple Crown twice. His career batting average of .358 is the highest in National League history, and also the highest in major league history for any right-handed hitter. His batting average for the 1924 season was .424, a mark that no player since has matched. The Baseball Hall of Fame elected Hornsby in 1942. He has also been given a star on the St. Louis Walk of Fame”.

— drelboc
12:36 pm August 3rd, 2008

Is this survey only for people over 65? Believe it or not, there are Cardinals fans that are younger than that. To me, Rogers Hornsby, Stan Musial, Enos Slaughter and Dizzy dean, are about as remote as Andrew Jackson, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, and Copernicus.

— Tony
12:55 pm August 3rd, 2008

Lou Brock is a HOFer and an all-time great Cardinal. But there is no way in Hades that he can make the top three list, and certainly not ahead of Hornsby. The Rajah led the NL in batting six times in 11 full seasons in St. Louis. (He won another batting crown in 1928, after leaving the Cardinals.)

— Fuhrig
1:07 pm August 3rd, 2008

1 Gibson-Power
2 Brock-Speed
3 Ozzie-Grace

— MR
1:28 pm August 3rd, 2008

I guess Tonys list of smartest people ever would only include the guy that invented viagra, the guy that won so many times on Jeopardy, and the guy that invented compact discs.

He also probably lists Justin Timberlake, Snoop Dogg and Kelly Clarkson as the best “musicians” ever.

As a note Tony, I’m 28 and would argue long for the Rajah. If you’re going to appreciate baseball then you have to know its history. Otherwise you’re just another ignorant baseball fan, like Cub fans.

— RCJ
1:29 pm August 3rd, 2008

I am impressed, and can only say I agree with one-three.

Add a fourth, Lew Brock, maybe Albert Pujols for a fifth maybe fourth. But then he is a career still in the making…I mean so is Chris Carpenter such a career.

But, for sure…a quality post, with three top quality selections

— w s eddy
1:43 pm August 3rd, 2008

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