Name the Cardinals’ All-Time 3 Stars
DOWNTOWN — Back in my early days at the P-D covering hockey, the selection of the “Three Stars” at each game was, loosely, my responsibility. Toward the end of the game, a quick straw poll was taken of the other writers in the box. Sometimes the selections were obvious. Sometimes they weren’t. Sometimes they drew compliments. A few times they sparked debate. My name was on the box score, so I took it seriously.
(Ask Chris Kerber about Jean-Sebastien Giguere sometime.)
Tonight ESPN takes hockey’s “Three Star” tradition and applies it to baseball, with a broader, historic range of candidates.
According to a paragraph in Saturday’s Cardinals’ games notes, ESPN’s Baseball Tonight’s panel of experts will begin a monthlong debate on the “top three players all-time for each francise.” The discussion begins tonight and as prelude to the Cardinals-Phillies telecast from Busch Stadium, the Cardinals are the first to get the three-star treatment.
A poll of fans conducted at ESPN.com will help augment the experts’ selections.
But why wait?
During Saturday’s game, we kicked around the three-star concept. Would Evan Longoria already rank in Tampa Bay’s Fab 3? Certainly Carl Crawford is No. 1. How do you pick three New York Yankees? I mean after Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig, that is. Is there a modern player who will crack the top-three lists of the historic franchises — the 18 who were around in 1961, for example? Two candidates: Barry Bonds, obviously, and, in LA, Mike Piazza.
To settle on a Cardinals’ “Three Stars”, we started on the wall.
Out in left field at Busch Stadium, there’s a good shortlist of candidates for the top-three list: They are the retired numbers. With Ducky Medwick and Albert Pujols as, arguably, the only exceptions, the retired numbers will provide the Cardinals’ top three. They are:
1 — Ozzie Smith … 2 — Red Schoendienst … 6 — Stan Musial … 9 — Enos Slaughter … 14 — Ken Boyer … 17 — Dizzy Dean … 20 — Lou Brock … 42 — Bruce Sutter … 45 — Bob Gibson. … STL — Rogers Hornsby.
This is the starting place for any ranking of the top three all-time players in Cardinals history. The online poll is likely to reflect its times, heavily weighing toward modern players or living legends. That said, as Hall of Famer Rick Hummel and I discussed the “Three Stars” from Cardinals’ history and wondered who should skate away with those honors, there appeared to be two locks and a few candidates for No. 3.
Offer up yours in the comment area below. Mine? Mine:
- Musial
- Gibson
- Hornsby
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Derrick Goold said he was going to Mizzou for capital-J journalism, but after growing up in the Time Zone Baseball Forgot he was really drawn to MU sitting between two major-league cities. Goold joined the Post-Dispatch in 2001 after working for The Times-Picayune and Rocky Mountain News, covering sports from LSU to NHL and every level of baseball in between.
According to career OPS:
Pujols
Hornsby
Musial
If El Hombre does not count since he is still playing these are my picks.
1. Stan
2. Bob Gibson
3. Red
I don’t think an every 4th/5th day player can be in your top three all time (And Dizzy was as good as Gibby anyway), so mine are:
1. Musial
2. Hornsby
3. Brock
(With Albert moving up fast)
My votes go to Musial, Gibson and Pujols. Or possibly Musial, Gibson and Hornsby. Or Musial, Gibson and Cardinal Richeleux (sp?).
How about the three greatest Pirates? I guess Clemente, Wagner and Stargell. Or Clemente, Wagner and Traynor. Or Clemente, Wagner and Jean LaFitte.
As you can see, it’s easier to name two rather than three.
Yankees? Ruth, Gehrig and Mantle. Mantle, Maris and Whitey Ford. Ruth, Gehrig and Abe Lincoln.
Mets? Gotta be Seaver, Staub and Gooden, with a bow to Beverly Sills.
And for the bonus round —
Royals? Brett, White and Saberhagen. Or Brett, White and Princess Diana.
Rays? Boggs, Evan Longoria and whoever that good starter is they’ve got now. Also Ray Bolger.
Commish,
I whole-heartedly agree with your three selections and you also got them in the correct order. There may be a day when Albert Pujols may join the company of these three gentlemen and super-stars, but he is not yet in their class as of yet.
I only disagree with the order.
1.) Musial
2.) Hornsby
3.) Gibson
I wanted to include Brock and Pujols may find himself on the list one day soon, but the top 3 are gold for now.
I agree..
Musial…
Gibson…
Hornsby
1. Gibson
2. Musial
3. Smith
If there were a fourth place, it would be Hornsby
1. Musial
2. Gibson
3. Dean/Pujols — Dean is clearly the best/most famous from a spectacular era of Cardinal baseball that is largely overlooked by this generation, though without the Gas House gang, Cardinal baseball doesn’t nearly the tradition that it currently enjoys. Pujols is clearly the best of this era.
I agree too: Musial, Gibson, Hornsby