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Name the Cardinals’ All-Time 3 Stars

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DOWNTOWN — Back in my early days at the P-D covering hockey, the selection of the “Three Stars” at each game was, loosely, my responsibility. Toward the end of the game, a quick straw poll was taken of the other writers in the box. Sometimes the selections were obvious. Sometimes they weren’t. Sometimes they drew compliments. A few times they sparked debate. My name was on the box score, so I took it seriously.

(Ask Chris Kerber about Jean-Sebastien Giguere sometime.)

Tonight ESPN takes hockey’s “Three Star” tradition and applies it to baseball, with a broader, historic range of candidates.

According to a paragraph in Saturday’s Cardinals’ games notes, ESPN’s Baseball Tonight’s panel of experts will begin a monthlong debate on the “top three players all-time for each francise.” The discussion begins tonight and as prelude to the Cardinals-Phillies telecast from Busch Stadium, the Cardinals are the first to get the three-star treatment.

A poll of fans conducted at ESPN.com will help augment the experts’ selections.

But why wait?

During Saturday’s game, we kicked around the three-star concept. Would Evan Longoria already rank in Tampa Bay’s Fab 3? Certainly Carl Crawford is No. 1. How do you pick three New York Yankees? I mean after Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig, that is. Is there a modern player who will crack the top-three lists of the historic franchises — the 18 who were around in 1961, for example? Two candidates: Barry Bonds, obviously, and, in LA, Mike Piazza.

To settle on a Cardinals’ “Three Stars”, we started on the wall.

Out in left field at Busch Stadium, there’s a good shortlist of candidates for the top-three list: They are the retired numbers. With Ducky Medwick and Albert Pujols as, arguably, the only exceptions, the retired numbers will provide the Cardinals’ top three. They are:

1 — Ozzie Smith … 2 — Red Schoendienst … 6 — Stan Musial … 9 — Enos Slaughter … 14 — Ken Boyer … 17 — Dizzy Dean … 20 — Lou Brock … 42 — Bruce Sutter … 45 — Bob Gibson. … STL — Rogers Hornsby.

This is the starting place for any ranking of the top three all-time players in Cardinals history. The online poll is likely to reflect its times, heavily weighing toward modern players or living legends. That said, as Hall of Famer  Rick Hummel and I discussed the “Three Stars” from Cardinals’ history and wondered who should skate away with those honors, there appeared to be two locks and a few candidates for No. 3.

Offer up yours in the comment area below. Mine? Mine:

  1. Musial
  2. Gibson
  3. Hornsby

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I’m a little surprised that Dizzy Dean hasn’t gotten more mention, but I completely understand where the Mozart reference comes from. Sure, there are fans younger than 65. Heck, I imagine Cardinals eNation is a majority of fans age tween to baby boom, with most probably right around my age.

That said, I never shared a year with JFK, Martin Luther King or Ernest Hemingway or F. Scott Fitzgerald or, heck, Chaucer, but I can appreciate them. Mozart’s music may be from another time, but it is timeless. Same with historically significant leaders or supreme writers … and exceptional baseball players.

I may not have seen Hornsby play. Heck, my grandfather only read about the second baseman for the Cardinals. But there’s reason we know his name.

Just like we still know Mozart’s music.

Or Chaucer’s tales.

dg
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— Derrick Goold
10:54 am August 4th, 2008

Gibson,Brock,Musial (Pujols will make the list when he is finished playing)

— Kate
11:06 am August 4th, 2008

I completely agree with your selections, they are mine as well

1. Stan Musial

2. Bob Gibson

3. Rogers Hornsby

— bstory
11:13 am August 4th, 2008

I agree with BG’s selection, and in the same order. Pujols is worthy of consideration, but needs more years of the same productivity.

— Ed Schwab
11:13 am August 4th, 2008

I agree –

Musial
Gibson
Hornsby

A modern 3 –

Brock
Ozzie
Flood

Sorry, Albert does not qualify as great yet

— DL
11:56 am August 4th, 2008

I’d agree with GForce (for the future). It’s an exciting time for Cardinals fans. How many more years of doing his thing will it take Albert to become a no-brainer selection for the Cards’ top 3? For so long, Stan Musial was (and still is) without question the greatest of all Cardinals. I think, though that the time will come eventually when El Hombre makes us think twice.

My 3 (for now)
1. Musial
2. Gibson
3. Schoendienst (Player & Manager)

— Bill
12:15 pm August 4th, 2008

I have to agree with you on your choices. I can see folks wanting to add Ozzie and Albert but how do you displace any of these three.. you can’t. There are so many true stars that have come through the ranks of the St. Louis Cardinals that I can see it being difficult and no matter what you think of him you have to add MaGwire to the list. I’m still of the thought that the three you put up are were they should be

— ShamrockJim
12:23 pm August 4th, 2008

1 - Dizzy Dean 2 - Mark McGwire 3 - Pepper Martin

— tommy r
12:57 pm August 4th, 2008

1 McGwire 2 Dean 3 Brock

— jesus perez
1:07 pm August 4th, 2008

I think Albert HAS to be included in the top three - equal to Gibson.

Obviously, he’s still active and he’s played less than eight years, but I think even his first 7 1/2 years in the bigs would put him on the list. EVERY single year of his career has been an MVP caliber performance. Musial, of course, displayed that same ability from the beginning through the late ’50’s; in other words, Albert’s career - times two…(!)

Gibson (along with Koufax, Marichal, Drysdale) was a dominant pitcher of his generation, and the Cardinals’ best, but he didn’t become a successful pitcher until 1963 and tapered off after 1970. He, of course, was a powerhouse during those years with 1968 being the BEST performance by ANY pitcher in the 20th Century. Yet, his won/lost record after 1970 was 61-57 and his era hovered around 3.40 - good, but certainly not spectacular.

So, I’ll put Albert’s first 7.5 years against Gibson’s 7.5 year run from 1963 through 1970 (Gibby was injured for 1/2 of 1967).

1. Stan-The-Man
2. The Rajah
3. Phat Albert or Hoot Gibson (toss-up)

— John C
1:11 pm August 4th, 2008

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