Web Search powered by YAHOO! SEARCH
10.15.2008 2:13 pm

The St. Louis Cardinals Rushmore Project

St. Louis Post-Dispatch
  • Email this
  • Print this

TOWER GROVE — I watched Bob Costas’ interview with Willie Mays and Hank Aaron the other day, and while the whole of the interview is brilliant there was a line from it I couldn’t shake. Costas said if there were a Mt. Rushmore for baseball — and why isn’t there, already? — Mays and Aaron would both be on it. Presumably Babe Ruth would be riding shotgun.

That leaves a fourth, the Teddy Roosevelt spot.

Does Teddy Ballgame fit? Stan the Man? What about Cy Young, Barry Bonds or, from sheer impact on the game, Judge Kenesaw Mountain Landis or Marvin Miller? For every one you settle on, three more bubble-up as possibilities.

The question has followed me for a few days, creeping in while I’m watching the ALCS. The upstart Tampa Bay Rays’ Rushmore would be … certainly Carl Crawford, definitely Joe Maddon (imagine those Buddy Holly glasses carved out of stone), maybe Evan Longoria or Carlos Pena and what about Danys Baez? I’m working on an all-time 40-man roster from a fusion of Colorado Rockies’ and Arizona Diamondbacks’ histories (more on that later this week), and the Rushmore Question infiltrated that thought process. The Rockies Rushmore: Larry Walker, Todd Helton, Andres Galarraga and Eric Young, for his opening-day homer, or … Ryan Turner, for what he respresented if not how he did.

A Redbird Rushmore? Four Cardinals and Hall of Famers.

A Redbird Rushmore? Four Cardinals and Hall of Famers.

The St. Louis Cardinals’ Rushmore …

Well, that’s the purpose for this blog.

Back in May 2004, tied to the departure of Kurt Warner from the Rams, The Post-Dispatch attempted to put together a St. Louis Sports Rushmore. A poll was conducted online. Articles written. An illustration drawn.

The STL Rushmore was: Stan Musial, Bob Gibson, Warner and Mark McGwire. That monument might not be as permanent as imagine. Columnist Bernie Miklasz argued that any STL Sports Rushmore must include Bob Pettit. P-D writer Dan O’Neill captured the plight of the project:

The Mount Rushmore theme begs for specificity and direction. As defined by the American Heritage Dictionary, the word “icon,” used in this context, pertains to “one who is the object of great attention and devotion; an idol.” The explanation leaves plenty of room for interpretation.

That is precisely what makes it so fun to throw around.

… Another way to construct the foursome — and create more debate — would be to ask for the four “most popular” players in St. Louis sports history. The answer is a little more subjective, the list not as burdensome. Musial makes every list, unless it excludes icons of Polish descent. You could make a case for Warner, less so for McGwire. Ozzie Smith and Brett Hull, again, are strong.

But names like Willie McGee, Red Schoendienst, Jackie Smith, and Whitey Herzog deserve serious airtime. Why, you might even cast a write-in vote for John Mabry.

Coming up with one for Major League Baseball is a Sisyphean task. I came upon a few sites that have taken polls — Ruth is running away with a spot, of course. It would have to be constructed in stages.

With the blog’s new power of polls, there’s the technology to try and the offseason offers the time to

Four Hall of Famers and the current Franchise Player

Four Hall of Famers and the current Franchise Player

experiment. Found a few attempts out there to put a Cardinals Rushmore together. Most, like the P-D’s Rushmore, starts with Musial and the consensus scatters from there. (For example, I mentioned it on the Bird Land@Facebook page and got some excellent suggestions; some surprising omissions, too.)

So, let’s start. Below is a list of 15 people from Cardinals history, and you can select four for a Cardinals Rushmore. The floor is open for additions, too. If, for example, you think Enos Slaughter, Dizzy Dean or Ken Boyer deserve a spot on the cliff’s wall, then make the case in the comments. The poll below isn’t by any means set in, um, stone. There is a good argument to be made for Bing Devine.

If nothing else, this poll will distill the discussion and serve as a good conversation starter …

A Cardinals Rushmore (Choose 4 People)

View Results

Loading ... Loading …

-30-

173 comments

Comments are closed.

I am voting Stan Musial (all time greatest Cardinal), Bob Gibson (all time greatest Cardinal hurler), Ozzie Smith (defense) and Pujols (offense).

I couldn’t argue with Brock, Red or George Kissell (whom the latter had arguably the biggest impact on the Cardinal organization).

— Brian
3:32 pm October 15th, 2008

If you had a Mount Rushmore for baseball and Barry Bonds’ head was one of those on it, you’d need a pretty big mountain. It might also have to be on a separate peak, since none of the others could stand to be that close to him.

— The King of Macomb
3:34 pm October 15th, 2008

This needs to be based on a full career- playing and there after. Pujols, if limited to active players, obvious choice, and well on the road to the full career I am looking for. Stan the Man is tops both for his playing career as well as what he has done for the team and the community in his post-playing years. Ozzie for his playing years yes, post playing years big minus- his silly on going feud with TLR does not reflect well upon him. Get over it, enjoy being a retired Cardinal.

— BringBack1120
3:40 pm October 15th, 2008

The first one is easy: Stan the Man. 2nd, our best pitcher far and away, Gibson. The other 2 were tougher. If Albert keeps playing like this for 10 more years, he is definitely in. Should I pick him based on expected future achievement? My other thought was: who are the icons of the franchise? I thought of Red, Ozzie, Brock and Jack Buck. So now, out of these 5, I have to pick 2. I went with Albert and Jack.

— mrkid
3:45 pm October 15th, 2008

I LOVE Jack, Red, Whitey and Albert - but how do you argue with a guy who hit over 400 for 5 straight years? Rogers need to be on there. No-one ever or will ever do that. He was the best right handed hitter (not slugger) of all time…….Ozzie is up there for about 3 more years that ole Albert will knock him off……

— sheckmen
3:50 pm October 15th, 2008

Enos Slaughter was missing from the list. He ranks high in my list of favorite Cardinals.

— Jim Finley
3:51 pm October 15th, 2008

My votes are Musial, Ozzie, Gibson and Pujols.

4 different Cardinal teams, 4 different “golden” eras of Cardinal baseball

— R.P.
3:55 pm October 15th, 2008

I only like players on Baseball’s Rushmore. You don’t see any VPs or Chief of Staffs on the real Rushmore? I like the 4 current leaders above and have no reservations about putting Pujols up there this early in his career. The more interesting discussion is Baseball’s all time Rushmore. Babe, Hank, Willie and ?, Tough. I think it almost has to be a pitcher. If you decide that it has to be a pitcher, then Cy Young is your man. If not, then it’s kind of wide open. Cobb? Williams? Interesting…

— Cory Redick
3:56 pm October 15th, 2008

Stan, The Wizard, Albert, and Jack. The first 3 were easy to me. But, I was betwixt and between on the last. Gibby is the greatest Cardinal pitcher in my estimation. I was thinking though, without Jack Buck’s voice guiding every play for all of those years, it certainly would’ve been a lot different. You could almost make two different mount rushmores….one for players and one for execs/non players. Players - Stan, Wizard, Gibson, Pujols.
Execs/NP - Branch Rickey, LaRussa, Herzog, Jack Buck

— music4585
3:59 pm October 15th, 2008

This seemed entirely too difficult at first, but if you consider the actual Mt. Rushmore, the task is a bit easier. I limited my choices (Musial, Gibson, Smith, and Brock) to a “players only” list if you will. Though the other choices could be argued for, I just couldn’t bring myself to include a manager or a broadcaster. Players are far more important to a franchise.

Awesome work yet again in Bird Land!

— Mark
4:00 pm October 15th, 2008

Pages: [1] 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1118 » Show All