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10.15.2008 2:13 pm

The St. Louis Cardinals Rushmore Project

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TOWER GROVE — I watched Bob Costas’ interview with Willie Mays and Hank Aaron the other day, and while the whole of the interview is brilliant there was a line from it I couldn’t shake. Costas said if there were a Mt. Rushmore for baseball — and why isn’t there, already? — Mays and Aaron would both be on it. Presumably Babe Ruth would be riding shotgun.

That leaves a fourth, the Teddy Roosevelt spot.

Does Teddy Ballgame fit? Stan the Man? What about Cy Young, Barry Bonds or, from sheer impact on the game, Judge Kenesaw Mountain Landis or Marvin Miller? For every one you settle on, three more bubble-up as possibilities.

The question has followed me for a few days, creeping in while I’m watching the ALCS. The upstart Tampa Bay Rays’ Rushmore would be … certainly Carl Crawford, definitely Joe Maddon (imagine those Buddy Holly glasses carved out of stone), maybe Evan Longoria or Carlos Pena and what about Danys Baez? I’m working on an all-time 40-man roster from a fusion of Colorado Rockies’ and Arizona Diamondbacks’ histories (more on that later this week), and the Rushmore Question infiltrated that thought process. The Rockies Rushmore: Larry Walker, Todd Helton, Andres Galarraga and Eric Young, for his opening-day homer, or … Ryan Turner, for what he respresented if not how he did.

A Redbird Rushmore? Four Cardinals and Hall of Famers.

A Redbird Rushmore? Four Cardinals and Hall of Famers.

The St. Louis Cardinals’ Rushmore …

Well, that’s the purpose for this blog.

Back in May 2004, tied to the departure of Kurt Warner from the Rams, The Post-Dispatch attempted to put together a St. Louis Sports Rushmore. A poll was conducted online. Articles written. An illustration drawn.

The STL Rushmore was: Stan Musial, Bob Gibson, Warner and Mark McGwire. That monument might not be as permanent as imagine. Columnist Bernie Miklasz argued that any STL Sports Rushmore must include Bob Pettit. P-D writer Dan O’Neill captured the plight of the project:

The Mount Rushmore theme begs for specificity and direction. As defined by the American Heritage Dictionary, the word “icon,” used in this context, pertains to “one who is the object of great attention and devotion; an idol.” The explanation leaves plenty of room for interpretation.

That is precisely what makes it so fun to throw around.

… Another way to construct the foursome — and create more debate — would be to ask for the four “most popular” players in St. Louis sports history. The answer is a little more subjective, the list not as burdensome. Musial makes every list, unless it excludes icons of Polish descent. You could make a case for Warner, less so for McGwire. Ozzie Smith and Brett Hull, again, are strong.

But names like Willie McGee, Red Schoendienst, Jackie Smith, and Whitey Herzog deserve serious airtime. Why, you might even cast a write-in vote for John Mabry.

Coming up with one for Major League Baseball is a Sisyphean task. I came upon a few sites that have taken polls — Ruth is running away with a spot, of course. It would have to be constructed in stages.

With the blog’s new power of polls, there’s the technology to try and the offseason offers the time to

Four Hall of Famers and the current Franchise Player

Four Hall of Famers and the current Franchise Player

experiment. Found a few attempts out there to put a Cardinals Rushmore together. Most, like the P-D’s Rushmore, starts with Musial and the consensus scatters from there. (For example, I mentioned it on the Bird Land@Facebook page and got some excellent suggestions; some surprising omissions, too.)

So, let’s start. Below is a list of 15 people from Cardinals history, and you can select four for a Cardinals Rushmore. The floor is open for additions, too. If, for example, you think Enos Slaughter, Dizzy Dean or Ken Boyer deserve a spot on the cliff’s wall, then make the case in the comments. The poll below isn’t by any means set in, um, stone. There is a good argument to be made for Bing Devine.

If nothing else, this poll will distill the discussion and serve as a good conversation starter …

A Cardinals Rushmore (Choose 4 People)

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your menu of Cardinal greats has some glaring omissions: where is Dizzy Dean? where is Country Slaughter?

— Night Trane
10:51 am October 16th, 2008

What about that fifth vote? Who would you put in “Ronald Reagan’s” spot?

— EJ Rotert
10:53 am October 16th, 2008

I vote for Curt Flood in Reagan’s place…

— EJ Rotert
10:54 am October 16th, 2008

First, Bringback1120 makes a good point about choices being limited to those whose playing days are over. However, Pujols’s numbers already eclipse those of some players’ entire careers. So, he gets my vote. Second, although no one can doubt the impact Jack Buck had on the Cards, I tend to think the four spots should be reserved for players, which leads to my third point. Not sure how we can leave Hornsby off. This was fun. Thanks.

— John in KY
10:59 am October 16th, 2008

HI
If I could i would have one of the best first basemen, Keith Hernandez
and the very best second basemen the cardinals ever had Fernando Vina.
He did some great stuff while he was in saint louis he won two gold gloves.
and then there is the best centerfirlder Jimmy Edmonds.
Why do people forgett
debbie henry

— debbie henry
11:00 am October 16th, 2008

Whatthetlr… Never liked that nickname for Pujols. Look at his stance in the box. He looks like a puma about to pounce. Albert “The Cat” Pujols. Or “The Puma.”

— EJ Rotert
11:01 am October 16th, 2008

I think that they all should be “former” players. Although I think that Pujols is one of the best current players, I cannot forget the fact that we once put a guy by the name of Garry Templeton on a All-Time Cardinal list while he was still active. We all know how proud he made us after that.

— Eagle's Grove
11:03 am October 16th, 2008

Just looked “puma” up in the dictionary. Maybe should be in the Spanish — El Quechua?

— EJ Rotert
11:04 am October 16th, 2008

I’m for Musial, Gibson, Pujols and Hornsby. Hornsby is really underappreciated 2 MVP’s, on the 1st WS squad and a career average of 113/22/114 .358/.434/.577 - as a middle infielder. Maybe he is overlooked because he played only 11 years as a Redbird and went on to earn an MVP with the Cubs?

— Tim
11:07 am October 16th, 2008

McGwire in the spot of Teddy Roosevelt. Both are overrated even though most people think they were great.

— Aaron
11:09 am October 16th, 2008

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