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10.15.2008 2:13 pm

The St. Louis Cardinals Rushmore Project

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TOWER GROVE — I watched Bob Costas’ interview with Willie Mays and Hank Aaron the other day, and while the whole of the interview is brilliant there was a line from it I couldn’t shake. Costas said if there were a Mt. Rushmore for baseball — and why isn’t there, already? — Mays and Aaron would both be on it. Presumably Babe Ruth would be riding shotgun.

That leaves a fourth, the Teddy Roosevelt spot.

Does Teddy Ballgame fit? Stan the Man? What about Cy Young, Barry Bonds or, from sheer impact on the game, Judge Kenesaw Mountain Landis or Marvin Miller? For every one you settle on, three more bubble-up as possibilities.

The question has followed me for a few days, creeping in while I’m watching the ALCS. The upstart Tampa Bay Rays’ Rushmore would be … certainly Carl Crawford, definitely Joe Maddon (imagine those Buddy Holly glasses carved out of stone), maybe Evan Longoria or Carlos Pena and what about Danys Baez? I’m working on an all-time 40-man roster from a fusion of Colorado Rockies’ and Arizona Diamondbacks’ histories (more on that later this week), and the Rushmore Question infiltrated that thought process. The Rockies Rushmore: Larry Walker, Todd Helton, Andres Galarraga and Eric Young, for his opening-day homer, or … Ryan Turner, for what he respresented if not how he did.

A Redbird Rushmore? Four Cardinals and Hall of Famers.

A Redbird Rushmore? Four Cardinals and Hall of Famers.

The St. Louis Cardinals’ Rushmore …

Well, that’s the purpose for this blog.

Back in May 2004, tied to the departure of Kurt Warner from the Rams, The Post-Dispatch attempted to put together a St. Louis Sports Rushmore. A poll was conducted online. Articles written. An illustration drawn.

The STL Rushmore was: Stan Musial, Bob Gibson, Warner and Mark McGwire. That monument might not be as permanent as imagine. Columnist Bernie Miklasz argued that any STL Sports Rushmore must include Bob Pettit. P-D writer Dan O’Neill captured the plight of the project:

The Mount Rushmore theme begs for specificity and direction. As defined by the American Heritage Dictionary, the word “icon,” used in this context, pertains to “one who is the object of great attention and devotion; an idol.” The explanation leaves plenty of room for interpretation.

That is precisely what makes it so fun to throw around.

… Another way to construct the foursome — and create more debate — would be to ask for the four “most popular” players in St. Louis sports history. The answer is a little more subjective, the list not as burdensome. Musial makes every list, unless it excludes icons of Polish descent. You could make a case for Warner, less so for McGwire. Ozzie Smith and Brett Hull, again, are strong.

But names like Willie McGee, Red Schoendienst, Jackie Smith, and Whitey Herzog deserve serious airtime. Why, you might even cast a write-in vote for John Mabry.

Coming up with one for Major League Baseball is a Sisyphean task. I came upon a few sites that have taken polls — Ruth is running away with a spot, of course. It would have to be constructed in stages.

With the blog’s new power of polls, there’s the technology to try and the offseason offers the time to

Four Hall of Famers and the current Franchise Player

Four Hall of Famers and the current Franchise Player

experiment. Found a few attempts out there to put a Cardinals Rushmore together. Most, like the P-D’s Rushmore, starts with Musial and the consensus scatters from there. (For example, I mentioned it on the Bird Land@Facebook page and got some excellent suggestions; some surprising omissions, too.)

So, let’s start. Below is a list of 15 people from Cardinals history, and you can select four for a Cardinals Rushmore. The floor is open for additions, too. If, for example, you think Enos Slaughter, Dizzy Dean or Ken Boyer deserve a spot on the cliff’s wall, then make the case in the comments. The poll below isn’t by any means set in, um, stone. There is a good argument to be made for Bing Devine.

If nothing else, this poll will distill the discussion and serve as a good conversation starter …

A Cardinals Rushmore (Choose 4 People)

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I think that the best approach is first to try and settle on one iconic player to represent each of the Cardinal eras in which we have fielded championship teams. After this is done we can winnow down those players to four who typify the spirit and history of the Cardinals franchise.

For the first Cardinals championship I choose Rogers Hornsby. For his hitting, his courage, and his management he is one of the greatest players of all time.

For the Gashouse Gang I take Dizzy Dean. There is a good argument to be made that Pepper Martin actually contributed more on the field but Dizz is the iconic player from that era.

For the champions of the late 40s, early 50s you have to take Stan Musial over Enos Slaughter, Red Schoendienst and others. Again, one of the greatest players in the history of baseball.

For the champions of the 60s I take Bob Gibson over Brock, Flood, Boyer, McCarver and many others, again on the grounds that Gibson was one of the greatest pitchers of all time.

For the 80s I would pick Ozzie Smith, again the iconic player and one of the greatest shortstops ever to play, over Hernandez, McGee and others.

For the most recent championship I would select Pujols as the best player and glue that held together a team of over achievers.

For the final selection I would take the first four, Hornsby, Dean, Musial, and Gibson, on the grounds that their achievements have stood the test of time, while admitting that in St. Louis, with our 10 championships, a monument with four players cannot do the team justice.

— Kenneth Ranson
4:18 pm October 16th, 2008

Where’s Dizzy?

— coopdeville
4:39 pm October 16th, 2008

Musial, Gibson, Dizzy, Hornsby

— coopdeville
4:44 pm October 16th, 2008

I hate to leave Brock off this list, but there are so many great Cardinal names. He was my 5th choice.

— Terry
5:02 pm October 16th, 2008

I’m surprised that Dizzy Dean isn’t on this list? Certainly ahead of Southworth, McGee, and La Russa.

— Will
5:13 pm October 16th, 2008

Really, we ought to annex another cliff face for the Gas House Gang alone. That would be a motley monument, but a worthy one. Put the whole Mudcat gang up there.

— Derrick Goold
5:22 pm October 16th, 2008

I think Ozzie Smith already has a Mt. Rushmore in his backyard…with him in all four poses.

— Clark Kimble
6:08 pm October 16th, 2008

OMG! This is the hardest poll I’ve ever seen! How can we even narrow it to 4! Its not Fair! Stan, Gibby, and Ozzie! Pujols based on projections will be the greatest, but he needs to win more than one championship! That would put him ahead of Ozzie! Ozzie Played in 3 world series! Just a little more mountain to climb for El Hombre(pencil him in)!

— Arthu Anderson
6:50 pm October 16th, 2008

Stan
Gibby
Hornsby
Lou

I don’t understand the man love for the player I consider the most over rated Cardinal ever and the least deserving in the HOF….Ozzie Smith. He was a nice player but this adoration really confounds me. People must love back flips.
He’s also been a real punk since retiring

— Doodahday
7:16 pm October 16th, 2008

Too bad we can only have 4 faces on this Cardinals Rushmore. The Cardinals don’t win anything without Hornsby in the 20’s and 30’s. Nothing without Musial in the 40’s. They don’t get close two the two World Series Championships in the 60’s without Gibson and Brock. Without Ozzie the 82 World series is not even close, not to mention the 85 and 87 series teams.

Then how do you discount what Kissell, Busch, Buck and Herzog bring to the table. You could almost have a Cardinals Rushmore of just those 4.

What struck me about my choices though was that Dizzy Dean, Joe Medwick, Mark McGwire, and Joe Torre were not listed as choices. Anyway, I voted for Musial, Gibson, Smith, and Hornsby, but feel bad for leaving Brock and Buck off of it.

Go Cardinals!

— Duke
7:53 pm October 16th, 2008

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