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10.15.2008 2:13 pm

The St. Louis Cardinals Rushmore Project

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TOWER GROVE — I watched Bob Costas’ interview with Willie Mays and Hank Aaron the other day, and while the whole of the interview is brilliant there was a line from it I couldn’t shake. Costas said if there were a Mt. Rushmore for baseball — and why isn’t there, already? — Mays and Aaron would both be on it. Presumably Babe Ruth would be riding shotgun.

That leaves a fourth, the Teddy Roosevelt spot.

Does Teddy Ballgame fit? Stan the Man? What about Cy Young, Barry Bonds or, from sheer impact on the game, Judge Kenesaw Mountain Landis or Marvin Miller? For every one you settle on, three more bubble-up as possibilities.

The question has followed me for a few days, creeping in while I’m watching the ALCS. The upstart Tampa Bay Rays’ Rushmore would be … certainly Carl Crawford, definitely Joe Maddon (imagine those Buddy Holly glasses carved out of stone), maybe Evan Longoria or Carlos Pena and what about Danys Baez? I’m working on an all-time 40-man roster from a fusion of Colorado Rockies’ and Arizona Diamondbacks’ histories (more on that later this week), and the Rushmore Question infiltrated that thought process. The Rockies Rushmore: Larry Walker, Todd Helton, Andres Galarraga and Eric Young, for his opening-day homer, or … Ryan Turner, for what he respresented if not how he did.

A Redbird Rushmore? Four Cardinals and Hall of Famers.

A Redbird Rushmore? Four Cardinals and Hall of Famers.

The St. Louis Cardinals’ Rushmore …

Well, that’s the purpose for this blog.

Back in May 2004, tied to the departure of Kurt Warner from the Rams, The Post-Dispatch attempted to put together a St. Louis Sports Rushmore. A poll was conducted online. Articles written. An illustration drawn.

The STL Rushmore was: Stan Musial, Bob Gibson, Warner and Mark McGwire. That monument might not be as permanent as imagine. Columnist Bernie Miklasz argued that any STL Sports Rushmore must include Bob Pettit. P-D writer Dan O’Neill captured the plight of the project:

The Mount Rushmore theme begs for specificity and direction. As defined by the American Heritage Dictionary, the word “icon,” used in this context, pertains to “one who is the object of great attention and devotion; an idol.” The explanation leaves plenty of room for interpretation.

That is precisely what makes it so fun to throw around.

… Another way to construct the foursome — and create more debate — would be to ask for the four “most popular” players in St. Louis sports history. The answer is a little more subjective, the list not as burdensome. Musial makes every list, unless it excludes icons of Polish descent. You could make a case for Warner, less so for McGwire. Ozzie Smith and Brett Hull, again, are strong.

But names like Willie McGee, Red Schoendienst, Jackie Smith, and Whitey Herzog deserve serious airtime. Why, you might even cast a write-in vote for John Mabry.

Coming up with one for Major League Baseball is a Sisyphean task. I came upon a few sites that have taken polls — Ruth is running away with a spot, of course. It would have to be constructed in stages.

With the blog’s new power of polls, there’s the technology to try and the offseason offers the time to

Four Hall of Famers and the current Franchise Player

Four Hall of Famers and the current Franchise Player

experiment. Found a few attempts out there to put a Cardinals Rushmore together. Most, like the P-D’s Rushmore, starts with Musial and the consensus scatters from there. (For example, I mentioned it on the Bird Land@Facebook page and got some excellent suggestions; some surprising omissions, too.)

So, let’s start. Below is a list of 15 people from Cardinals history, and you can select four for a Cardinals Rushmore. The floor is open for additions, too. If, for example, you think Enos Slaughter, Dizzy Dean or Ken Boyer deserve a spot on the cliff’s wall, then make the case in the comments. The poll below isn’t by any means set in, um, stone. There is a good argument to be made for Bing Devine.

If nothing else, this poll will distill the discussion and serve as a good conversation starter …

A Cardinals Rushmore (Choose 4 People)

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Not sure I would vote for him anyway, but how does Mike Shannon not even make the ballot?

— thatguy
8:01 pm October 16th, 2008

Branch Rickey has got to be on there. The work done by him and Sam Breadon put Cardinals baseball on the map. The team wouldn’t even have been able to stay in St. Louis and Cardinals baseball would have died in the 1920s. The man created the first farm system and assembled winning team after winning team for over a decade, including the legendary Gashouse Gang. Ricky and Breadon created Cardinals baseball and changed business in the baseball world with what they did through the 20s and 30s.

— Chad
8:35 pm October 16th, 2008

Not sure how Ozzie is beating out Lou. If there were 5 spots than Ozzie for sure. But c’mon we’re talking Lou Brock here. Vote people

— Steve
6:06 am October 17th, 2008

I like a lot of these guys, but the list really skews toward recent history. I’m going with Musial (duh), Gibby (best pitcher), Rickey (the architect of the dynasty), and Hornsby (who got the Cards over the top with the first WS.

If he keeps it up another 3-4 years, I’ll put Pujols up there and drop Hornsby.

— Gagliano
6:26 am October 17th, 2008

Musial and Gibson are, I think, givens. I don’t think you could have the Cardinals Rushmore without them. After that, there’s room for debate. I chose Ozzie, though he was never my favorite player, as a symbol of the great 1980s teams. And Red Schoendienst because of his long and strong tenure with the team and his obvious love of the franchise. You could make good arguments for Jack Buck certainly, and for Mark McGwire. Pujols will no doubt be up there one day, but I decided not to consider active players for now.

— Mike
6:44 am October 17th, 2008

Red did it as a manager and as a player. Hard to overlook that.

— Adam
8:00 am October 17th, 2008

No Rogers Hornsby? Career .358 average. Second best all-time behind Ty cobb. Wow

— Mark
8:13 am October 17th, 2008

The first two are simple. Musial and Gibson. After that, there are a number of worthy candidates. Pujols, Hornsby, Smith, Jack Buck, Branch Rickey, Gussie Busch. If Pujols were 2 or 3 years further along in his career, he would be a mortal lock. From a purely statistical point of view, only Musial can be compared to him. In addition, it’s his team. He is the undisputed face of the franchise. RIckey can probably be excluded because, in spite of his importance to the franchise for 30 years after he left it, he is more famous for his time with the Dodgers. I don’t believe you can have this list of candidates without including Dizzy Dean. In spite of the fact that the prime of his career was essentially 4 1/2 years, he is in the hall of fame. He is the Sandy Koufax of his time. Again, during that period of time, he was the undisputed face of the franchise, and his legend endured for decades after his career was over. He might not make the final cut, but he certainly deserves to be on this list.
Thanks for doing this, it’s fun.

— Tim Schlesinger
8:37 am October 17th, 2008

Mine would be a bit different and would include players that were favorites but not of the ilk of those on the list. Mine would be Stan Musial, Bob Gibson, Ken Boyer and Mike Shannon.

— Mike
8:43 am October 17th, 2008

What is up no Dizzy Dean. And Branch Rickey only recieving 2% of votes, if it wasn.t for him there might not be a Cardinals team today. Lets read on some history here!

— jared
9:50 am October 17th, 2008

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