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10.15.2008 2:13 pm

The St. Louis Cardinals Rushmore Project

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TOWER GROVE — I watched Bob Costas’ interview with Willie Mays and Hank Aaron the other day, and while the whole of the interview is brilliant there was a line from it I couldn’t shake. Costas said if there were a Mt. Rushmore for baseball — and why isn’t there, already? — Mays and Aaron would both be on it. Presumably Babe Ruth would be riding shotgun.

That leaves a fourth, the Teddy Roosevelt spot.

Does Teddy Ballgame fit? Stan the Man? What about Cy Young, Barry Bonds or, from sheer impact on the game, Judge Kenesaw Mountain Landis or Marvin Miller? For every one you settle on, three more bubble-up as possibilities.

The question has followed me for a few days, creeping in while I’m watching the ALCS. The upstart Tampa Bay Rays’ Rushmore would be … certainly Carl Crawford, definitely Joe Maddon (imagine those Buddy Holly glasses carved out of stone), maybe Evan Longoria or Carlos Pena and what about Danys Baez? I’m working on an all-time 40-man roster from a fusion of Colorado Rockies’ and Arizona Diamondbacks’ histories (more on that later this week), and the Rushmore Question infiltrated that thought process. The Rockies Rushmore: Larry Walker, Todd Helton, Andres Galarraga and Eric Young, for his opening-day homer, or … Ryan Turner, for what he respresented if not how he did.

A Redbird Rushmore? Four Cardinals and Hall of Famers.

A Redbird Rushmore? Four Cardinals and Hall of Famers.

The St. Louis Cardinals’ Rushmore …

Well, that’s the purpose for this blog.

Back in May 2004, tied to the departure of Kurt Warner from the Rams, The Post-Dispatch attempted to put together a St. Louis Sports Rushmore. A poll was conducted online. Articles written. An illustration drawn.

The STL Rushmore was: Stan Musial, Bob Gibson, Warner and Mark McGwire. That monument might not be as permanent as imagine. Columnist Bernie Miklasz argued that any STL Sports Rushmore must include Bob Pettit. P-D writer Dan O’Neill captured the plight of the project:

The Mount Rushmore theme begs for specificity and direction. As defined by the American Heritage Dictionary, the word “icon,” used in this context, pertains to “one who is the object of great attention and devotion; an idol.” The explanation leaves plenty of room for interpretation.

That is precisely what makes it so fun to throw around.

… Another way to construct the foursome — and create more debate — would be to ask for the four “most popular” players in St. Louis sports history. The answer is a little more subjective, the list not as burdensome. Musial makes every list, unless it excludes icons of Polish descent. You could make a case for Warner, less so for McGwire. Ozzie Smith and Brett Hull, again, are strong.

But names like Willie McGee, Red Schoendienst, Jackie Smith, and Whitey Herzog deserve serious airtime. Why, you might even cast a write-in vote for John Mabry.

Coming up with one for Major League Baseball is a Sisyphean task. I came upon a few sites that have taken polls — Ruth is running away with a spot, of course. It would have to be constructed in stages.

With the blog’s new power of polls, there’s the technology to try and the offseason offers the time to

Four Hall of Famers and the current Franchise Player

Four Hall of Famers and the current Franchise Player

experiment. Found a few attempts out there to put a Cardinals Rushmore together. Most, like the P-D’s Rushmore, starts with Musial and the consensus scatters from there. (For example, I mentioned it on the Bird Land@Facebook page and got some excellent suggestions; some surprising omissions, too.)

So, let’s start. Below is a list of 15 people from Cardinals history, and you can select four for a Cardinals Rushmore. The floor is open for additions, too. If, for example, you think Enos Slaughter, Dizzy Dean or Ken Boyer deserve a spot on the cliff’s wall, then make the case in the comments. The poll below isn’t by any means set in, um, stone. There is a good argument to be made for Bing Devine.

If nothing else, this poll will distill the discussion and serve as a good conversation starter …

A Cardinals Rushmore (Choose 4 People)

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You should use only players for this. There ought to be a Rushmore for non-players. How can Red not get enough votes to be a top 4?

— shimmy11
10:11 am October 17th, 2008

Where the hell is Harry Carrey (sp)?

— CorpusTiger
10:24 am October 17th, 2008

While I think Ozzie and Jack Buck are close to the 4th spot, I went with Musial, Gibson, Pujols and Brock

— Alan
11:52 am October 17th, 2008

Gibby, Stan and Albert were no brainers. The fourth was tougher. I went with Jack Buck over Rogers, Willie and Ozzie.

— Paul
12:03 pm October 17th, 2008

what about Ducky Joe Medwick, Frankie Fritsch, Pepper Martin, Dizzy Dean, Ken Boyer and other great early Cardinals. Your list is very incomplete.

— DAVID CARPENTER
12:31 pm October 17th, 2008

Musial, Gibson, Brock and Hornsby are the all-time greatest Cardinals. Ozzie is a distant 5th. If Albert has another great ten years,he’ll supplant Hornsby as the Rajah did some of his best work for other teams. Owners, general managers, managers, sportswriters and broadcasters should have their own division. And I loved Jack Buck quite a bit, but think if he’s on the list, Harry Caray should be too.

— gjhuff
1:11 pm October 17th, 2008

IMO there should be a rushmore of players then a rushmore A of those who contributed to the game in ways other that actually playing. How do you seperate TLR and his success (as a Cardinal) without Pujols/Smith? The RedHead without Brock/Gibson.

Were the nonplaying contributors success due to the players they were surrounded with or would they have been as successful without those players???

— This is Boz
1:19 pm October 17th, 2008

How about a Blues Mt. Rushmore?

Federko, Hull, Sutter & Plager for me.

or another group of former, perhaps forgotten Blues….Jorgen Peterson, Rick Meagher, Bob Hess & Ed Stanowski! :))

— BG
1:35 pm October 17th, 2008

With everything Curt Flood brough to the game both on and off the field, if he isn’t on the Rushmore Project you may as well take Washingotn or Lincoln off Mt. Rushmore. Dizzy and all the rest are worthy, but were way before my time so can’t honestly comment other than they are all signifigant in the rich Cardinal history. The four most reflective on any such project would have to be Stan, Gibby, Curt and Ozzie. Roger Marris may need to be in the equation too. And the memories of Jack and Harry on KMOK bringing the play by play to us on those hot summer evening are a memory that is as fresh as if it were yesterday.

— Bob
2:25 pm October 17th, 2008

I voted for Musial, Gibson, Pujols, and Hornsby. The first two are no-brainers and should be unanimous. The only hesitation on Pujols is that he’s not even halfway through his career, but otherwise he’s a no-brainer, too. Hornsby is in the same class, as one of the top 25 players in the history of BASEBALL, not just the Cardinals. But Rajah did not play his entire career with the Cards, so that would knock him down slightly on this particular poll.

Smith is somewhat overrated. Great fielder, great baserunner, light offense, weak arm the last half of his career.

Some names you should or could have included in your list, who would rank ahead of, say, McGee or Kissell: Dizzy Dean, Frankie Frisch, Enos Slaughter, Johnny Mize, Joe Medwick, Ted Simmons, Ken Boyer.

— Charles Henrickson
5:22 pm October 17th, 2008

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