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10.15.2008 2:13 pm

The St. Louis Cardinals Rushmore Project

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TOWER GROVE — I watched Bob Costas’ interview with Willie Mays and Hank Aaron the other day, and while the whole of the interview is brilliant there was a line from it I couldn’t shake. Costas said if there were a Mt. Rushmore for baseball — and why isn’t there, already? — Mays and Aaron would both be on it. Presumably Babe Ruth would be riding shotgun.

That leaves a fourth, the Teddy Roosevelt spot.

Does Teddy Ballgame fit? Stan the Man? What about Cy Young, Barry Bonds or, from sheer impact on the game, Judge Kenesaw Mountain Landis or Marvin Miller? For every one you settle on, three more bubble-up as possibilities.

The question has followed me for a few days, creeping in while I’m watching the ALCS. The upstart Tampa Bay Rays’ Rushmore would be … certainly Carl Crawford, definitely Joe Maddon (imagine those Buddy Holly glasses carved out of stone), maybe Evan Longoria or Carlos Pena and what about Danys Baez? I’m working on an all-time 40-man roster from a fusion of Colorado Rockies’ and Arizona Diamondbacks’ histories (more on that later this week), and the Rushmore Question infiltrated that thought process. The Rockies Rushmore: Larry Walker, Todd Helton, Andres Galarraga and Eric Young, for his opening-day homer, or … Ryan Turner, for what he respresented if not how he did.

A Redbird Rushmore? Four Cardinals and Hall of Famers.

A Redbird Rushmore? Four Cardinals and Hall of Famers.

The St. Louis Cardinals’ Rushmore …

Well, that’s the purpose for this blog.

Back in May 2004, tied to the departure of Kurt Warner from the Rams, The Post-Dispatch attempted to put together a St. Louis Sports Rushmore. A poll was conducted online. Articles written. An illustration drawn.

The STL Rushmore was: Stan Musial, Bob Gibson, Warner and Mark McGwire. That monument might not be as permanent as imagine. Columnist Bernie Miklasz argued that any STL Sports Rushmore must include Bob Pettit. P-D writer Dan O’Neill captured the plight of the project:

The Mount Rushmore theme begs for specificity and direction. As defined by the American Heritage Dictionary, the word “icon,” used in this context, pertains to “one who is the object of great attention and devotion; an idol.” The explanation leaves plenty of room for interpretation.

That is precisely what makes it so fun to throw around.

… Another way to construct the foursome — and create more debate — would be to ask for the four “most popular” players in St. Louis sports history. The answer is a little more subjective, the list not as burdensome. Musial makes every list, unless it excludes icons of Polish descent. You could make a case for Warner, less so for McGwire. Ozzie Smith and Brett Hull, again, are strong.

But names like Willie McGee, Red Schoendienst, Jackie Smith, and Whitey Herzog deserve serious airtime. Why, you might even cast a write-in vote for John Mabry.

Coming up with one for Major League Baseball is a Sisyphean task. I came upon a few sites that have taken polls — Ruth is running away with a spot, of course. It would have to be constructed in stages.

With the blog’s new power of polls, there’s the technology to try and the offseason offers the time to

Four Hall of Famers and the current Franchise Player

Four Hall of Famers and the current Franchise Player

experiment. Found a few attempts out there to put a Cardinals Rushmore together. Most, like the P-D’s Rushmore, starts with Musial and the consensus scatters from there. (For example, I mentioned it on the Bird Land@Facebook page and got some excellent suggestions; some surprising omissions, too.)

So, let’s start. Below is a list of 15 people from Cardinals history, and you can select four for a Cardinals Rushmore. The floor is open for additions, too. If, for example, you think Enos Slaughter, Dizzy Dean or Ken Boyer deserve a spot on the cliff’s wall, then make the case in the comments. The poll below isn’t by any means set in, um, stone. There is a good argument to be made for Bing Devine.

If nothing else, this poll will distill the discussion and serve as a good conversation starter …

A Cardinals Rushmore (Choose 4 People)

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My Mount Rushmore for BASEBALL history would be Babe Ruth, Willie Mays, Honus Wagner, and Walter Johnson.

— Charles Henrickson
5:28 pm October 17th, 2008

The floor was open for any and all suggestions for omissions from the list of players above. Just like the conversation is open on who would be on the MLB Rushmore.

Jackie Robinson would be a given.

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— Derrick Goold
5:49 pm October 17th, 2008

DG: “Jackie Robinson would be a given.” He would?? I would rate FRANK Robinson and BROOKS Robinson ahead of Jackie on my list of the best players at their position of all time. Don’t get me wrong, Jackie Robinson was an excellent player, but not in the top two or three at his position all-time.

The only way you can rank J. Robinson higher is if you factor in his breakthrough socio-political contribution. And I admire him tremendously for his courage and class in how he handled that. But strictly as a player, he does not rate in the top 50 all-time. I also think, contrary to Bud Selig, that Robinson’s number should be retired as a Dodger but not all across baseball.

If there were one number that should be retired across baseball (and I don’t think there should be), it would have to be #3, Babe Ruth, by far the greatest baseball player and sports icon of all time.

— Charles Henrickson
6:29 pm October 17th, 2008

Jack Buck and Lou Brock get more votes than Hornsby? And St. Louis fans are supposed to by informed.

— Red Bird
9:28 pm October 17th, 2008

If you’re talking about men who shaped the franchise through its entire history, as Mount Rushmore is presidents who shaped the country, you have to include, if not focus on non-players. Branch Rickey created its first round of dramatic success in the 1930s, Musial was the key to the second round of success in the 1940s, Schoendienst & Kissell were key to the latter successes of the 1960s & a strong bridge to maintaining the “Cardinal Way” in the 1980s & beyond. You could make a strong argument for Jack Buck communicating the tradition to the fans. But most of the players of the 60s & beyond were beneficiaries of what the Legends created.

— porges7
10:35 am October 18th, 2008

BG… Concerning a Blues Mt. Rushmore, how is it that you overlook Hall, Berenson and the Iron Man, Unger? You should do your research.

— EJ Rotert
10:43 am October 18th, 2008

BG… Barclay Plager definitely deserves to be on the list. But I’d argue againt Sutter. I’d also argue against Hull, but that’s mainly because I don’t care for him. But, ultimately, I have to admit Hull deserves to be on the list. But then I’d go with Berenson. The fourth gets kind of dicey. Hall would be a good choice (and you can’t rule out Pronger), but ultimately I’d have to go with Unger. From a media standpoint, Unger brought the Blues a lot of press and attention. So, there it is: Plager, Hull, Hall and Unger.

— EJ Rotert
10:51 am October 18th, 2008

Football Cardinals? Definitely Hart, Dierdorf… Gotta put Conrad up there, vampire fangs and all. The fourth? Probably Wehrli. But you could also argue Larry Wilson and Mel Gray with credence. But I’d stick with Wehrli. Metcalf would definitely be a scratch.

— EJ Rotert
11:05 am October 18th, 2008

Correction to post on Blues’ Mt. Rushmore: Berenson, Plager, Unger and Hull.

— EJ Rotert
12:00 pm October 18th, 2008

I tried to pick a player from each generation…Stan, Gibson, Pujols…and that left me with the 4th…Hornsby, Gussie, Buck…it asks for a Cardinals Rushmore, not Cardinals players Rushmore, so Buck got the nod.By the way, who are the 3% that DID NOT pick Musial????

— Brian F.
11:46 am October 22nd, 2008

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