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10.15.2008 2:13 pm

The St. Louis Cardinals Rushmore Project

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TOWER GROVE — I watched Bob Costas’ interview with Willie Mays and Hank Aaron the other day, and while the whole of the interview is brilliant there was a line from it I couldn’t shake. Costas said if there were a Mt. Rushmore for baseball — and why isn’t there, already? — Mays and Aaron would both be on it. Presumably Babe Ruth would be riding shotgun.

That leaves a fourth, the Teddy Roosevelt spot.

Does Teddy Ballgame fit? Stan the Man? What about Cy Young, Barry Bonds or, from sheer impact on the game, Judge Kenesaw Mountain Landis or Marvin Miller? For every one you settle on, three more bubble-up as possibilities.

The question has followed me for a few days, creeping in while I’m watching the ALCS. The upstart Tampa Bay Rays’ Rushmore would be … certainly Carl Crawford, definitely Joe Maddon (imagine those Buddy Holly glasses carved out of stone), maybe Evan Longoria or Carlos Pena and what about Danys Baez? I’m working on an all-time 40-man roster from a fusion of Colorado Rockies’ and Arizona Diamondbacks’ histories (more on that later this week), and the Rushmore Question infiltrated that thought process. The Rockies Rushmore: Larry Walker, Todd Helton, Andres Galarraga and Eric Young, for his opening-day homer, or … Ryan Turner, for what he respresented if not how he did.

A Redbird Rushmore? Four Cardinals and Hall of Famers.

A Redbird Rushmore? Four Cardinals and Hall of Famers.

The St. Louis Cardinals’ Rushmore …

Well, that’s the purpose for this blog.

Back in May 2004, tied to the departure of Kurt Warner from the Rams, The Post-Dispatch attempted to put together a St. Louis Sports Rushmore. A poll was conducted online. Articles written. An illustration drawn.

The STL Rushmore was: Stan Musial, Bob Gibson, Warner and Mark McGwire. That monument might not be as permanent as imagine. Columnist Bernie Miklasz argued that any STL Sports Rushmore must include Bob Pettit. P-D writer Dan O’Neill captured the plight of the project:

The Mount Rushmore theme begs for specificity and direction. As defined by the American Heritage Dictionary, the word “icon,” used in this context, pertains to “one who is the object of great attention and devotion; an idol.” The explanation leaves plenty of room for interpretation.

That is precisely what makes it so fun to throw around.

… Another way to construct the foursome — and create more debate — would be to ask for the four “most popular” players in St. Louis sports history. The answer is a little more subjective, the list not as burdensome. Musial makes every list, unless it excludes icons of Polish descent. You could make a case for Warner, less so for McGwire. Ozzie Smith and Brett Hull, again, are strong.

But names like Willie McGee, Red Schoendienst, Jackie Smith, and Whitey Herzog deserve serious airtime. Why, you might even cast a write-in vote for John Mabry.

Coming up with one for Major League Baseball is a Sisyphean task. I came upon a few sites that have taken polls — Ruth is running away with a spot, of course. It would have to be constructed in stages.

With the blog’s new power of polls, there’s the technology to try and the offseason offers the time to

Four Hall of Famers and the current Franchise Player

Four Hall of Famers and the current Franchise Player

experiment. Found a few attempts out there to put a Cardinals Rushmore together. Most, like the P-D’s Rushmore, starts with Musial and the consensus scatters from there. (For example, I mentioned it on the Bird Land@Facebook page and got some excellent suggestions; some surprising omissions, too.)

So, let’s start. Below is a list of 15 people from Cardinals history, and you can select four for a Cardinals Rushmore. The floor is open for additions, too. If, for example, you think Enos Slaughter, Dizzy Dean or Ken Boyer deserve a spot on the cliff’s wall, then make the case in the comments. The poll below isn’t by any means set in, um, stone. There is a good argument to be made for Bing Devine.

If nothing else, this poll will distill the discussion and serve as a good conversation starter …

A Cardinals Rushmore (Choose 4 People)

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What about Curt Flood? For those that didn’t have the opportunity to see him play all I can say is too bad. Unbelievable is what comes to mind most of all. Just Google him and “read em and weep” He’s got my vote as a write in.

— Bob
5:15 pm October 15th, 2008

Man, I could create TWO Rushmores from this list - one just for players (which I voted for), and the other for “influences” (my picks would be Jack Buck and George Kissell for sure, probably Whitey… and then, I dunno for the last - probably a toss up between TLR and Gussie).

— umrguy42
5:16 pm October 15th, 2008

curt flood affected baseball more than any other baseball player by introducing the concept of free agency into baseball. that is unbelievably significant. i might also argue for bob petit, dal maxvill, charley johnson, leon spinks defeated ali. so many st louis sports icons a four person mt rushmore is nearly impossible. but if monuments are to be built around st louis, how about those cut aways along i 44?

— roger from lake tahoe
5:23 pm October 15th, 2008

Kids! Tsk, tsk . . .

Everybody’s homework tonight is two-fold. First, find yourself a good website and look at the year-by-year for these Cardinals: Dizzy Dean, Frankie Frisch, Joe Medwick … and Willie McGee. MLB.com’s site will do. Use the “players” link and then simply type in the last name in the box under “historical search.” You want players who were Cardinals icons? You just found ‘em. You might want to look at Slaughter and Boyer, too.

Second, use your most polite “voice” and send an e-mail to Mr. Goold exhorting him to resubmit the poll with these names added. Or Willie’s name subtracted.

— Mike Smith
5:30 pm October 15th, 2008

stan musial best all around player
bob gibson best pitcher
whitey herzog best manager
august a busch best owner

so many other players deserve it as well as jack buck

— buckwht
5:38 pm October 15th, 2008

Ok, when I’m choosing a Cardinals’ Mt. Rushmore, I’m thinking of who epitomizes the St. Louis Cardinals … not just to me, but to all fans of the game. When you say St. Louis Cardinals baseball, who are the first 4 people who come to mind? Who are the icons of Cardinals baseball? I choose Stan Musial (of course – that is a no brainer - a pox on anyone who would exclude him!), Bob Gibson, Gussie Busch and Jack Buck.

— Lisa Bluenote
5:43 pm October 15th, 2008

Stan and Gibby are givens. My question is how could you leave out Hornsby and his hiiting achievements (not to mention — giving us our first World Series)?
The fourth choice is harder, so I took Gussy for saving us back in 1954.
Finally, Albert wasn’t picked because his career isn’t over.
BTW, I am one of the few who saw Dizzy pitch in the big leagues, albeit for the Browns.

— Gundun
6:22 pm October 15th, 2008

My first three are up with the top five Musial, Gibson and Buck. I love Ozzie but since he’s not around very often for the club now he didn’t get my vote and Albert will have his day.

My fourth choice was Branch Rickey. Very under rated for what he did for the Cardinals. I include him because in my opinion, without Rickey the St. Louis Cardinals would never have built the organization and farm system that led them to the great teams in the 30’s, 40’s, 60’s and 80’s and that makes them the most relevant small market team in any major sport.

— Chris
6:40 pm October 15th, 2008

Musial and Gibson are in for sure. Musial gets in at #1 cuz he’s a great player, a true living legend and a genuinely nice man. Gibson gets #2 cuz he too was a great player, a living legend and would probably buzz me high and tight if I didn’t put him in. Hornsby must be on the mountain based on sheer numbers and reputation. Pujols is my fourth. He may move up in the future. He may fall off compeltely… but I doubt it. Dude has some serious cred. Yes, I’m assuming he can maintain his legendary consistency for a few more years. I believe he’s already ahead of, in no certain order; Jack Buck, Lou Brock, Whitey H and Curt Flood (who wasn’t on your list so I added him).

— KMac
6:42 pm October 15th, 2008

First two in my book were automatics - Stan Musial and Jack Buck. No contest. I went with Albert No. 3, my only reservation was longevity. No. 4 was REALLY hard. I couldn’t choose between Bob Gibson and Lou Brock - they were just too close in my book. So I went with Rogers Hornsby to round out my Mt. Rushmore.
Great question!

— BigMacLess
6:58 pm October 15th, 2008

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