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10.15.2008 2:13 pm

The St. Louis Cardinals Rushmore Project

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TOWER GROVE — I watched Bob Costas’ interview with Willie Mays and Hank Aaron the other day, and while the whole of the interview is brilliant there was a line from it I couldn’t shake. Costas said if there were a Mt. Rushmore for baseball — and why isn’t there, already? — Mays and Aaron would both be on it. Presumably Babe Ruth would be riding shotgun.

That leaves a fourth, the Teddy Roosevelt spot.

Does Teddy Ballgame fit? Stan the Man? What about Cy Young, Barry Bonds or, from sheer impact on the game, Judge Kenesaw Mountain Landis or Marvin Miller? For every one you settle on, three more bubble-up as possibilities.

The question has followed me for a few days, creeping in while I’m watching the ALCS. The upstart Tampa Bay Rays’ Rushmore would be … certainly Carl Crawford, definitely Joe Maddon (imagine those Buddy Holly glasses carved out of stone), maybe Evan Longoria or Carlos Pena and what about Danys Baez? I’m working on an all-time 40-man roster from a fusion of Colorado Rockies’ and Arizona Diamondbacks’ histories (more on that later this week), and the Rushmore Question infiltrated that thought process. The Rockies Rushmore: Larry Walker, Todd Helton, Andres Galarraga and Eric Young, for his opening-day homer, or … Ryan Turner, for what he respresented if not how he did.

A Redbird Rushmore? Four Cardinals and Hall of Famers.

A Redbird Rushmore? Four Cardinals and Hall of Famers.

The St. Louis Cardinals’ Rushmore …

Well, that’s the purpose for this blog.

Back in May 2004, tied to the departure of Kurt Warner from the Rams, The Post-Dispatch attempted to put together a St. Louis Sports Rushmore. A poll was conducted online. Articles written. An illustration drawn.

The STL Rushmore was: Stan Musial, Bob Gibson, Warner and Mark McGwire. That monument might not be as permanent as imagine. Columnist Bernie Miklasz argued that any STL Sports Rushmore must include Bob Pettit. P-D writer Dan O’Neill captured the plight of the project:

The Mount Rushmore theme begs for specificity and direction. As defined by the American Heritage Dictionary, the word “icon,” used in this context, pertains to “one who is the object of great attention and devotion; an idol.” The explanation leaves plenty of room for interpretation.

That is precisely what makes it so fun to throw around.

… Another way to construct the foursome — and create more debate — would be to ask for the four “most popular” players in St. Louis sports history. The answer is a little more subjective, the list not as burdensome. Musial makes every list, unless it excludes icons of Polish descent. You could make a case for Warner, less so for McGwire. Ozzie Smith and Brett Hull, again, are strong.

But names like Willie McGee, Red Schoendienst, Jackie Smith, and Whitey Herzog deserve serious airtime. Why, you might even cast a write-in vote for John Mabry.

Coming up with one for Major League Baseball is a Sisyphean task. I came upon a few sites that have taken polls — Ruth is running away with a spot, of course. It would have to be constructed in stages.

With the blog’s new power of polls, there’s the technology to try and the offseason offers the time to

Four Hall of Famers and the current Franchise Player

Four Hall of Famers and the current Franchise Player

experiment. Found a few attempts out there to put a Cardinals Rushmore together. Most, like the P-D’s Rushmore, starts with Musial and the consensus scatters from there. (For example, I mentioned it on the Bird Land@Facebook page and got some excellent suggestions; some surprising omissions, too.)

So, let’s start. Below is a list of 15 people from Cardinals history, and you can select four for a Cardinals Rushmore. The floor is open for additions, too. If, for example, you think Enos Slaughter, Dizzy Dean or Ken Boyer deserve a spot on the cliff’s wall, then make the case in the comments. The poll below isn’t by any means set in, um, stone. There is a good argument to be made for Bing Devine.

If nothing else, this poll will distill the discussion and serve as a good conversation starter …

A Cardinals Rushmore (Choose 4 People)

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Stan, Gibby, and Albert dominated the game like no others at their positions or during their era so they have to be there. My 4th choice, Rogers Hornsby, also dominated the game in his era and brought us our first of the 10 World Series titles we enjoy. He was probably the greatest pure right handed hitter in the history of baseball and deserves to be recognized as the great Cardinal that he was.

— Phil
7:07 am October 16th, 2008

Very interesting project, but I’m astonished that Jack Buck is not on the voting list.

— James Bankes
7:45 am October 16th, 2008

Stan, Gibby and Albert are pretty much no-brainers. It’s hard to pull a fourth name from such a competitive list, but think big picture. Branch Rickey not only launched this franchise into elite status, he invented the minor league baseball system. In my mine he has to be included.

— Jason C.
7:50 am October 16th, 2008

How does this list include Willie McGee and George Kissell over Dizzy Dean. I put Albert Pujols on Mt. Rushmore, but he really hasn’t earned it yet. Musial, Gibson, and Dean are the no brainers - they the argument is Hornsby, Brock, Buck, Pujols, or Smith?

— steve
7:56 am October 16th, 2008

I went with Ozzie, Gibby,Stan, and Hornsby
(it was close between Hornsby and Pujols…and as great as Pujols is now…Hornsby is one of the greatest and has been for a long time)

but I must say you HAVE to have DIzzy Dean on that list…and Enos..Boyer too!
if they are up on our outfield wall then they should at least get a shot at someone picking them.

— aaron
8:14 am October 16th, 2008

Where does one START with a franchise as tradition-rich as the Cardinals? As with the real Mt. Rushmore, I didn’t consider any active players… although Mr. Pujols certainly deserves consideration as the best player in baseball today.

That said, my five candidates are:
1) Stan the Man (the franchise’s All-Time Great)
2) Bob Gibson (by a hair over Lou Brock to represent the ’60s)
3) Ozzie Smith (The face and glove of the “Whiteyball” era)
4) Dizzy Dean/Pepper Martin (Because HOW can one have a Cards’ “Mt. Rushmore” without a member of the Gas House Gang?)

And look at the players NOT on my Final Five… Hornsby! Frankie Frisch, the Fordham Flash! Red! Tee Moore! Sunny Jim! Big Jawn! Kenny Boyer! Simba! Willie McGee! Big Mac! The Cards have been blessed with colorful and capable players throughout their history.

— The Ol Goaler
8:25 am October 16th, 2008

As I type this, one vote separates Jack Buck — who is on the voting list, contrary to one of the comments — and Lou Brock. While I don’t think it’s necessary for every era of Cardinals history to be represented, I understand the theory. As the offseason progresses, I think that is the way to go about building an MLB Rushmore. Start by era and shave the list down to finalists throughout the ages …

— Derrick Goold
8:29 am October 16th, 2008

I really believe this should be about a combination of - overall body of work and influence and involvement in the community. I believe Pujols will ultimately make his way on….but not just yet.

Musial
Red
Gibson
Ozzie

Schoendienst to me is Mr. Cardinal. The man has been part of the organization longer than I have been alive. Musial needs no explanation. Gibson and Ozzie brought a style of play that their respective eras had really never seen. There both icons in the city and nationally.

JMO

— Pete Puma
8:35 am October 16th, 2008

All of the above are nice tries, but lets deal in reality here. Obviously any Cardinals Mt. Rushmore must start and end with the following players: C. Rasmus, B. Anderson, C. Perez, and A. Garcia. Anything else would be a vast overstatement of other players value relative to these four studs of baseball.

Luv,
J Lunhow

— Matt
8:44 am October 16th, 2008

What about George Kissell? His stamp has been on Cardinal teams for decades. I omitted Pujols because Rushmore is a history thing, and Pujols isn’t done writing his.

— Rick
9:00 am October 16th, 2008

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