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10.15.2008 2:13 pm

The St. Louis Cardinals Rushmore Project

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TOWER GROVE — I watched Bob Costas’ interview with Willie Mays and Hank Aaron the other day, and while the whole of the interview is brilliant there was a line from it I couldn’t shake. Costas said if there were a Mt. Rushmore for baseball — and why isn’t there, already? — Mays and Aaron would both be on it. Presumably Babe Ruth would be riding shotgun.

That leaves a fourth, the Teddy Roosevelt spot.

Does Teddy Ballgame fit? Stan the Man? What about Cy Young, Barry Bonds or, from sheer impact on the game, Judge Kenesaw Mountain Landis or Marvin Miller? For every one you settle on, three more bubble-up as possibilities.

The question has followed me for a few days, creeping in while I’m watching the ALCS. The upstart Tampa Bay Rays’ Rushmore would be … certainly Carl Crawford, definitely Joe Maddon (imagine those Buddy Holly glasses carved out of stone), maybe Evan Longoria or Carlos Pena and what about Danys Baez? I’m working on an all-time 40-man roster from a fusion of Colorado Rockies’ and Arizona Diamondbacks’ histories (more on that later this week), and the Rushmore Question infiltrated that thought process. The Rockies Rushmore: Larry Walker, Todd Helton, Andres Galarraga and Eric Young, for his opening-day homer, or … Ryan Turner, for what he respresented if not how he did.

A Redbird Rushmore? Four Cardinals and Hall of Famers.

A Redbird Rushmore? Four Cardinals and Hall of Famers.

The St. Louis Cardinals’ Rushmore …

Well, that’s the purpose for this blog.

Back in May 2004, tied to the departure of Kurt Warner from the Rams, The Post-Dispatch attempted to put together a St. Louis Sports Rushmore. A poll was conducted online. Articles written. An illustration drawn.

The STL Rushmore was: Stan Musial, Bob Gibson, Warner and Mark McGwire. That monument might not be as permanent as imagine. Columnist Bernie Miklasz argued that any STL Sports Rushmore must include Bob Pettit. P-D writer Dan O’Neill captured the plight of the project:

The Mount Rushmore theme begs for specificity and direction. As defined by the American Heritage Dictionary, the word “icon,” used in this context, pertains to “one who is the object of great attention and devotion; an idol.” The explanation leaves plenty of room for interpretation.

That is precisely what makes it so fun to throw around.

… Another way to construct the foursome — and create more debate — would be to ask for the four “most popular” players in St. Louis sports history. The answer is a little more subjective, the list not as burdensome. Musial makes every list, unless it excludes icons of Polish descent. You could make a case for Warner, less so for McGwire. Ozzie Smith and Brett Hull, again, are strong.

But names like Willie McGee, Red Schoendienst, Jackie Smith, and Whitey Herzog deserve serious airtime. Why, you might even cast a write-in vote for John Mabry.

Coming up with one for Major League Baseball is a Sisyphean task. I came upon a few sites that have taken polls — Ruth is running away with a spot, of course. It would have to be constructed in stages.

With the blog’s new power of polls, there’s the technology to try and the offseason offers the time to

Four Hall of Famers and the current Franchise Player

Four Hall of Famers and the current Franchise Player

experiment. Found a few attempts out there to put a Cardinals Rushmore together. Most, like the P-D’s Rushmore, starts with Musial and the consensus scatters from there. (For example, I mentioned it on the Bird Land@Facebook page and got some excellent suggestions; some surprising omissions, too.)

So, let’s start. Below is a list of 15 people from Cardinals history, and you can select four for a Cardinals Rushmore. The floor is open for additions, too. If, for example, you think Enos Slaughter, Dizzy Dean or Ken Boyer deserve a spot on the cliff’s wall, then make the case in the comments. The poll below isn’t by any means set in, um, stone. There is a good argument to be made for Bing Devine.

If nothing else, this poll will distill the discussion and serve as a good conversation starter …

A Cardinals Rushmore (Choose 4 People)

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If overall impact on the St. Louis Cardinal legacy tops the criteria, Red Schoendienst must top the list. Musial is also automatic. As Cardinal players, Gibson, Brock, Hornsby, Pujols, and Smith are icons. Kissel, Rickey, Herzog, Buck, Mike Shannon, LaRussa, and Gussie Busch have all made tremendous contributions to the Birds on The Bat and generations of fans.

— A#
9:10 am October 16th, 2008

Gibson, Gibson, Gibson! They had to lower the mound because he was too good folks! The only player in any sport to have the game changed because they were so good. Did they raise the height of the basket and narrow the hoop for Michael Jordan? . . . . .NO Come on people, think on this one.

— Jay
9:20 am October 16th, 2008

rather pointless discussion, if you ask me….

— JJM97
9:20 am October 16th, 2008

JJM97… No doubt, you also find life rather pointless. Try having a little fun. Some day you’ll look back and wonder “is that all there is?”

— A#
9:28 am October 16th, 2008

Given the iconic nature of Mt. Rushmore, I think two additional faces need to be carved into the Cardinals Mt. Rushmore, one for Tony LaRussa and one for Albert Pujols after he retires in the far distant future. However, for sheer impact on the game, although not to be added to Rushmore, a nod (a plaque?) should be somewhere to recognize Curt Flood. His impact on the game overshadows it to this day.

— Debra Caplick
9:33 am October 16th, 2008

I have Gibby, Stan, Wiz, and Hombre.

Much like Rushmore, it represents changes in eras within Cardinal lore. Stan takes us through the 40’s to early 60’s, making way for Gibby’s 60’s and 70’s teams. Ozzie represents 80’s and 90’s Cardinals baseball more than anyone, and Pujols has clearly defined the Birds since 2000.

All those not playing are HOFers, with the 4th going when he’s good and ready.

— whatthetlr?
9:37 am October 16th, 2008

I chose Stan, Gibby, Albert and Jack. I see some commenting that it should be players only; I can’t disagree more. Through the reach of KMOX, Jack Buck was responsible for bringing millions of fans into the Cardinals’ fold.

I know I will open a can of worms here, but I think McGwire belongs on the list. He might not make it to the mountain, but he should be one from which to choose.

— dairyman
9:40 am October 16th, 2008

By the way…sisyphean? As Shannon would say, “that’s not a word they’d use in the dugout.”

Thanks for the Greek mythology reference!

— dairyman
9:44 am October 16th, 2008

I love Albert. He’s fantastic. I’ll never see anyone like him again. But not yet. And if anyone is going from the 80s it should be Whitey.

I like this, this is different then the best players discussion. It transends just the play on the field.

I don’t understand how Jack Buck, a cornerstone of this franchises history, is not in the top four. His career spans the length of time most of these guys played. We still her his voice in loving memory to this day. He deserves to jump past Albert and Ozzie.

Rogers deserves to be higher to. He was our first star. He won batting titles. Hit he over .400 a few times. Ted Williams counted Rogers as his model for hitting. He played for and managed our first World Champion team in 26, tagging out Babe Ruth attempting to steal second. I know no one remembers him and the average fan knows little about him, but he deserves more respect and more acknowledgement.

— RCJ
9:50 am October 16th, 2008

This vote should be from a list of players only. The real Mount Rushmore is only Presidents, not a random collection of Presidents, Generals, Explorers and other such patriots.

— Marty
9:56 am October 16th, 2008

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