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10.15.2008 2:13 pm

The St. Louis Cardinals Rushmore Project

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TOWER GROVE — I watched Bob Costas’ interview with Willie Mays and Hank Aaron the other day, and while the whole of the interview is brilliant there was a line from it I couldn’t shake. Costas said if there were a Mt. Rushmore for baseball — and why isn’t there, already? — Mays and Aaron would both be on it. Presumably Babe Ruth would be riding shotgun.

That leaves a fourth, the Teddy Roosevelt spot.

Does Teddy Ballgame fit? Stan the Man? What about Cy Young, Barry Bonds or, from sheer impact on the game, Judge Kenesaw Mountain Landis or Marvin Miller? For every one you settle on, three more bubble-up as possibilities.

The question has followed me for a few days, creeping in while I’m watching the ALCS. The upstart Tampa Bay Rays’ Rushmore would be … certainly Carl Crawford, definitely Joe Maddon (imagine those Buddy Holly glasses carved out of stone), maybe Evan Longoria or Carlos Pena and what about Danys Baez? I’m working on an all-time 40-man roster from a fusion of Colorado Rockies’ and Arizona Diamondbacks’ histories (more on that later this week), and the Rushmore Question infiltrated that thought process. The Rockies Rushmore: Larry Walker, Todd Helton, Andres Galarraga and Eric Young, for his opening-day homer, or … Ryan Turner, for what he respresented if not how he did.

A Redbird Rushmore? Four Cardinals and Hall of Famers.

A Redbird Rushmore? Four Cardinals and Hall of Famers.

The St. Louis Cardinals’ Rushmore …

Well, that’s the purpose for this blog.

Back in May 2004, tied to the departure of Kurt Warner from the Rams, The Post-Dispatch attempted to put together a St. Louis Sports Rushmore. A poll was conducted online. Articles written. An illustration drawn.

The STL Rushmore was: Stan Musial, Bob Gibson, Warner and Mark McGwire. That monument might not be as permanent as imagine. Columnist Bernie Miklasz argued that any STL Sports Rushmore must include Bob Pettit. P-D writer Dan O’Neill captured the plight of the project:

The Mount Rushmore theme begs for specificity and direction. As defined by the American Heritage Dictionary, the word “icon,” used in this context, pertains to “one who is the object of great attention and devotion; an idol.” The explanation leaves plenty of room for interpretation.

That is precisely what makes it so fun to throw around.

… Another way to construct the foursome — and create more debate — would be to ask for the four “most popular” players in St. Louis sports history. The answer is a little more subjective, the list not as burdensome. Musial makes every list, unless it excludes icons of Polish descent. You could make a case for Warner, less so for McGwire. Ozzie Smith and Brett Hull, again, are strong.

But names like Willie McGee, Red Schoendienst, Jackie Smith, and Whitey Herzog deserve serious airtime. Why, you might even cast a write-in vote for John Mabry.

Coming up with one for Major League Baseball is a Sisyphean task. I came upon a few sites that have taken polls — Ruth is running away with a spot, of course. It would have to be constructed in stages.

With the blog’s new power of polls, there’s the technology to try and the offseason offers the time to

Four Hall of Famers and the current Franchise Player

Four Hall of Famers and the current Franchise Player

experiment. Found a few attempts out there to put a Cardinals Rushmore together. Most, like the P-D’s Rushmore, starts with Musial and the consensus scatters from there. (For example, I mentioned it on the Bird Land@Facebook page and got some excellent suggestions; some surprising omissions, too.)

So, let’s start. Below is a list of 15 people from Cardinals history, and you can select four for a Cardinals Rushmore. The floor is open for additions, too. If, for example, you think Enos Slaughter, Dizzy Dean or Ken Boyer deserve a spot on the cliff’s wall, then make the case in the comments. The poll below isn’t by any means set in, um, stone. There is a good argument to be made for Bing Devine.

If nothing else, this poll will distill the discussion and serve as a good conversation starter …

A Cardinals Rushmore (Choose 4 People)

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This should have been a Players-Only list and this is how I voted. However, are we not lucky to have such a long list of players that could have been put on the voting list? Where are The Dean Brothers, Mike Shannon, Bill White, Bruce Sutter, Ken Boyer, Enos Slaughter…you get it.

— greglpc
10:27 am October 16th, 2008

Have to start with Musial. Gibson is the best Cardinal pitcher ever, Everyone wants to vote on players they have seen. Too many old time players are left out. Hornsby is one of the best players of all time, let alone Cardinal players. Buck is my 4th for what he brought to all Cardinal fans. If Albert does what he has done for the next 10 years he takes Buck’s spot.

— Dana
10:41 am October 16th, 2008

Where’s Shannon, Carey and Fredbird? And what about a St. Louis Browns’ Mt. Rushmore? Let’s remember: from the fans’ standpoint, the Cardinals were the ugly step-sister to the Browns until the Cardinals won their first World Series. And I vote for Bill Veeck to go on that one — you know, “Veeck — as in Wreck.”

— EJ Rotert
10:44 am October 16th, 2008

Definitely should be, in this order: Musial, Brock, Smith and Auggie.

— EJ Rotert
10:45 am October 16th, 2008

I question the validity of a poll of which 3% of the voters left Stan Musial off their list. Were these Cub fans? Lou and Hornsby are left out because they were at one time members of the Chicago Cubs. My votes (Stan, Gibby, Albert and Ozzie) spent their entire careers with the Birds. Ozzie played for SD but I think while he played for them they were a minor league franchise (PCL).

— Dan O'Keefe
10:46 am October 16th, 2008

Wouldn’t have made my top 4, but ol’ Diz probably should be on the ballot.

Mysterio6

— Mysterio6
10:47 am October 16th, 2008

Scratch that: I wrote “Brock,” but meant to write “Gibson.” Brock was a personal favorite, but doesn’t deserve to be up there. Oh, now that I think about it: Where the heck is Flood? Lest we forget what he went through for everyone playing the game today?

— EJ Rotert
10:47 am October 16th, 2008

Musial, Pujols, Gibson, Hornsby

Best Card, best modern card, best Cards pitcher, and best 2nd baseman of all time.

— Aaron Wilbers
10:48 am October 16th, 2008

I have seen a lot of suggestions for players and people who belong on the list. From Dizzy Dean to Enos Slaughter to others. Bing Devine was a tough call, for example. The one who does belong and, man did I wrestle with this until the very end, is Mike Shannon. I should have put a 16th name …

— Derrick Goold
10:49 am October 16th, 2008

I think there needs to be strong consideration for a player named Curt Flood as well. Not only was he a great center fielder, he revolutionized baseball by giving up his career and suing Major League baseball to destroy the reserve clause. I think there is something to be said for standing up for principals and civil rights as well as being a great St. Louis Cardinal.

— Andrew
10:50 am October 16th, 2008

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