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10.01.2008 10:26 am

What if … Pujols had Howard’s RBI chances?

St. Louis Post-Dispatch
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SOUTH GRAND — A few years ago, the biggest challenge to Albert Pujols’ MVP candidacy was a slugger in the National League East who had big numbers in home runs and RBIs, but couldn’t quite match Pujols when it came to just about everything else.

So, we’ve seen this before.

Back in 2005, Andruw Jones hit 51 home runs and drove in 128 RBIs — both numbers that surpassed El Hombre’s totals — yet hit .263. The numbers were more profound when you drilled down into the RBI total. Jones led the NL with 184 at-bats with runners in scoring position. In those situations, he hit .207 (.207!) and slugging .386. Pujols, by contrast had 44 fewer at-bats with runners in scoring position (RISP). Put simply: Jones had more RBIs not because he was a better run producer — he actually struggled by comparison — but because he had far more opportunities to drive in runs.

A similar scenario exists this season with Philadelphia slugger Ryan Howard have 146 RBIs and 48 home runs to outdistance Pujols’ power numbers, 37 and 116. That leads to today’s question, continuing a week of speculative autopsies and marking the day after ballots were due for NL MVP voters: What If … Albert Pujols had Ryan Howard’s RBI opportunities?

The attempt to answer this question revealed a statistic I found uncanny:

ALBERT PUJOLS HAD MORE RBIs (116) THAN ABs WITH RISP (115)

Pujols finished in the top five in RBIs this season with a late binge that gave him his eighth consecutive season of at least 100 RBIs. While 37 of those RBIs could have come with nobody on base and still been 37 RBIs — one for each homer, of course — Pujols was able to collect those RBIs with only the 59th-most at-bats with runners in scoring position. He tied Cincinnati rookie Joey Votto with 115, and Votto wasn’t a regular with the Reds early this season.

One of the big reasons, obviously, was because opponents walked Pujols when first was open.

With runners in scoring position (RISP), Pujols had only 12 strikeouts this season, but walked 51 times.

Here is the list of the NL hitters with the top 10 most RISP at-bats (batting average):

  1. David Wright, NYM … 189 (.243)
  2. Garrett Atkins, COL … 187 (.225)
  3. Carlos Beltran, NYM … 185 (.286)
  4. James Loney, LA … 181 (.304)
  5. Jeff Francoeur, ATL … 177 (.192)
  6. Ryan Howard, PHI … 175 (.320)
  7. Kevin Kouzmanoff, SD … 173 (.254)
  8. Troy Glaus, STL … 171 (.263)
  9. Chase Utley, PHI … 170 (.271)
  10. Jorge Cantu, FLA … 169 (.272)

Locked in that list, right there at No. 6, is the target of today’s question. Howard had 175 at-bats with runners in scoring position partially because he was surrounded by guys who get on base and produce runs — from Jimmy Rollins and Utley before him to Pat Burrell behind him. Really, only Derrek Lee or Aramis Ramirez was in as enviable a position this season at Howard, and neither of them appear on that list (in fact, where are the Cubs on that list? what does that say about their offense, the best in the league?).

Howard hit .320 with RISP, reached base .439 and slugged .589 with RISP. He struck out 54 times and walked 41 times with RISP. Of his 146 RBIs, 61.6 percent (or 90) of them came with RISP.

Pujols hit .339 with RISP, reached base .523 and slugged .638 with RISP. As mentioned, he struck out 12 times and walked 51 times with RISP. Of his 116 RBIs, 64.7 percent (or 75) came with RISP.

Figuring out how Pujols would have done with Howard’s 175 at-bats vs. his 115 takes some rates.

Howard had 56 hits with RISP, and he produced 1.61 RBIs per hits with RISP (RBI/HwRISP). Pujols had 39 hits with RISP, and he produced 1.92 RBI/HwRISP. Using those numbers, and the above averages, it’s easy to figure Pujols would have had 59 hits in 175 RISP AB, and at his rate of production driven in 114 RBIs in those at-bats. His new total would be:

155 RBIs

It’s difficult, however, to apply Pujols’ rate of production to Howard’s at-bats. See, Pujols was able to produce nearly two RBIs for every RISP hit because opponents would often only pitch to him if there was enough runners on base to force them to. If a base was open, he’d get the walk. So, consider that and refigure Pujols’ numbers using Howard’s rate of production.

That would give him 95 RBIs with runners in scoring position and a total of … 136 RBIs.

Not enough to take over the lead, but plenty to chomp into that distance MVP voters have pointed to as a consideration when they rank their selections for the award.

But then, we’ve seen something like this race before. In 2005. We know how that turned out.

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He’ll probably lose out for MVP like he did several times when steroid Barry Bonds kept beating him even though Pujols was a better all around player every year.
Oh well, every baseball fan knows who a team would pick if they had a chance to pick Albert or Howard to start a new team.

— Richard Birkenstock
11:22 am October 1st, 2008

Great research, DG!!

Lets remember that AP missed 16 days with his Calf injury suffered agaisnt Cincy in early June. It’d be interesting to see how many chances AP would have had with men in RISP, if he had not missed the better part of three weeks.

On the list you posted of NL hitters with the top ten most AB’s with RISP the name that stood out to me was Troy Glaus. Doesn’t that go to show how valuable AP is? His high OBP means that guys hitting behind AP are going to be put in situations to produce runs. That right there supports AP’s argument for MVP.

— emc2013
11:31 am October 1st, 2008

Another rarely mentioned fact when trying to downplay Howard (St.Louis native by the way, but you would never know it the way he is scorned in St.L. If he looked a little more like Chase Utley, I’m quite sure this town would be falling all over him, but that is STRICTLY my OPINION, not a fact by any means), is he produces because he shows up day in and day out for his team. He is the current MLB ironman with 277 consecutive games played, which means he actually played all 162 games this year. So the question is what if Pujols actually played everyday, what would his RBI totals look like.
Pujols is the greatest player I have ever seen. 2008 Player of the Year, yes. 2008 Hank Aaron Award winner, yes. 2008 NL MVP, no. Ask yourself this would the Cards have edged out the NL Central powerhouse known as the Pittsburgh Pirates for the 4th place divisional trophy if Pujols had not been there. I truly believe they would have. Now ask yourself, do you believe the Phillies would be repeating as NL East Division Champs without Ryan Howard. You can answer that one for yourself.
A kid born and raised in this crappy one horse town (and proud of it, he makes sure the world knows he’s from here)deserves MUCH better than the constant sour grapes this biased community gives him.

— Steve
11:57 am October 1st, 2008

Correction to previous post, it was not the Pirates, but the Reds that they edged out for for 4th place.

— Steve
12:20 pm October 1st, 2008

As we said in the past. Barry Bonds won the MVP while on a losing team a few times. Just because he hit home runs that didn’t help his team win. Albert hits home runs to keep his team above .500. Philly could have won their division without Howard. Next season hopefully the Cardinals will learn to either walk Howard more or give him curve balls outside all the time. Never a fast ball. 5 of his home runs were against the Birds.

— Bluebirds66
12:24 pm October 1st, 2008

Richard: Prepare to be surprised. There appeared to be considerable momentum around the country — including with voters — for Pujols to win his second MVP. Anything is possible, and the pulse is strongest in this time zone, so the East could still sway Howard’s way. Gosh, it sounds like I’m describing the electoral college …

EMC: Careful there, because if you use that argument for Pujols, you have to use the same for Howard (re: Victorino, Utley, etc.) and Beltran. Suddenly Beltran’s case for the MVP looks stronger.

Steve: A little inside baseball … A common joke around the press box is calling me the P-D’s Ryan Howard beat writer. Scorned? You must mean by the public at large, because the paper has done well covering Howard, from rising star to Favorite Son to slugger to MVP. Heck, he received his MVP award for the first time at the Baseball Writers dinner in … St. Louis.

dg
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— Derrick Goold
12:26 pm October 1st, 2008

Derrick, I DEFINITELY mean the public at large. As November draws nigh and the MVP votes are to be announced, I’d personally like to see you put out a blog or some other instrument that taps into the at-large public opinion not just about the award, but the guy himself. As a native St.Louisian, that gets to travel probably more than the the average joe (and it typically would involve more east-coast destinations, so I will defer that much), the general attitude and common man’s acknowledgement of Howard vs. the treatment he gets here is staggering. St. Louis is a big “small town” in attitude, action, tradition, and most of all pride. There are people that will still reference individuals like John Goodman or even Vincent Price being from St. Louis. Yet I bet if you polled 100 random people (all walks of life: ages, race, affluence, etc.) you would be shocked at the amount of people that haven’t a clue who he is or that he is even from here. For that to be stated about anyone famous from St.Louis (again, I’m going by the way we revere anyone the least bit famous from here),it is a shame.

— Steve
12:52 pm October 1st, 2008

Bluebirds66-I respectfully disagree with “Albert hits home runs to keep his team above .500. Philly could have won their division without Howard.”

As the above stat line showed Howard, when the situation arises (175 times) he is producing at the best rate (.320) with the best results (146 RBI. You can WARP and VORP that all day long, but run production (especially from your clean-up batter) is the name of the game, and no one is doing it better than Howard. Considering that the Phils only edged out a 3 game lead over the Mets to win the division, do you REALLY believe they would have done it WITHOUT him? I don’t. Yet I do believe without Pujols, they still wouldn’t be higher than 4th place, but I do believe they would have kept some of that 12 1/2 game lead they have over the Reds to hold the spot they have now.

— Steve
1:14 pm October 1st, 2008

I DEFINITELY need to proofread what I type. In the preveious post I meant WPA not “WARP”. Call it a brain fart (lol).

— Steve
1:22 pm October 1st, 2008

AP’s batting average and strikeout total speak volumes for AP’s case to be MVP. I could care less about the difference of 11 home-runs. If the Phils could choose whom to have I’m sure it would be AP. I really think AP will get it this year.

— John
1:27 pm October 1st, 2008

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