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10.01.2008 10:26 am

What if … Pujols had Howard’s RBI chances?

St. Louis Post-Dispatch
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SOUTH GRAND — A few years ago, the biggest challenge to Albert Pujols’ MVP candidacy was a slugger in the National League East who had big numbers in home runs and RBIs, but couldn’t quite match Pujols when it came to just about everything else.

So, we’ve seen this before.

Back in 2005, Andruw Jones hit 51 home runs and drove in 128 RBIs — both numbers that surpassed El Hombre’s totals — yet hit .263. The numbers were more profound when you drilled down into the RBI total. Jones led the NL with 184 at-bats with runners in scoring position. In those situations, he hit .207 (.207!) and slugging .386. Pujols, by contrast had 44 fewer at-bats with runners in scoring position (RISP). Put simply: Jones had more RBIs not because he was a better run producer — he actually struggled by comparison — but because he had far more opportunities to drive in runs.

A similar scenario exists this season with Philadelphia slugger Ryan Howard have 146 RBIs and 48 home runs to outdistance Pujols’ power numbers, 37 and 116. That leads to today’s question, continuing a week of speculative autopsies and marking the day after ballots were due for NL MVP voters: What If … Albert Pujols had Ryan Howard’s RBI opportunities?

The attempt to answer this question revealed a statistic I found uncanny:

ALBERT PUJOLS HAD MORE RBIs (116) THAN ABs WITH RISP (115)

Pujols finished in the top five in RBIs this season with a late binge that gave him his eighth consecutive season of at least 100 RBIs. While 37 of those RBIs could have come with nobody on base and still been 37 RBIs — one for each homer, of course — Pujols was able to collect those RBIs with only the 59th-most at-bats with runners in scoring position. He tied Cincinnati rookie Joey Votto with 115, and Votto wasn’t a regular with the Reds early this season.

One of the big reasons, obviously, was because opponents walked Pujols when first was open.

With runners in scoring position (RISP), Pujols had only 12 strikeouts this season, but walked 51 times.

Here is the list of the NL hitters with the top 10 most RISP at-bats (batting average):

  1. David Wright, NYM … 189 (.243)
  2. Garrett Atkins, COL … 187 (.225)
  3. Carlos Beltran, NYM … 185 (.286)
  4. James Loney, LA … 181 (.304)
  5. Jeff Francoeur, ATL … 177 (.192)
  6. Ryan Howard, PHI … 175 (.320)
  7. Kevin Kouzmanoff, SD … 173 (.254)
  8. Troy Glaus, STL … 171 (.263)
  9. Chase Utley, PHI … 170 (.271)
  10. Jorge Cantu, FLA … 169 (.272)

Locked in that list, right there at No. 6, is the target of today’s question. Howard had 175 at-bats with runners in scoring position partially because he was surrounded by guys who get on base and produce runs — from Jimmy Rollins and Utley before him to Pat Burrell behind him. Really, only Derrek Lee or Aramis Ramirez was in as enviable a position this season at Howard, and neither of them appear on that list (in fact, where are the Cubs on that list? what does that say about their offense, the best in the league?).

Howard hit .320 with RISP, reached base .439 and slugged .589 with RISP. He struck out 54 times and walked 41 times with RISP. Of his 146 RBIs, 61.6 percent (or 90) of them came with RISP.

Pujols hit .339 with RISP, reached base .523 and slugged .638 with RISP. As mentioned, he struck out 12 times and walked 51 times with RISP. Of his 116 RBIs, 64.7 percent (or 75) came with RISP.

Figuring out how Pujols would have done with Howard’s 175 at-bats vs. his 115 takes some rates.

Howard had 56 hits with RISP, and he produced 1.61 RBIs per hits with RISP (RBI/HwRISP). Pujols had 39 hits with RISP, and he produced 1.92 RBI/HwRISP. Using those numbers, and the above averages, it’s easy to figure Pujols would have had 59 hits in 175 RISP AB, and at his rate of production driven in 114 RBIs in those at-bats. His new total would be:

155 RBIs

It’s difficult, however, to apply Pujols’ rate of production to Howard’s at-bats. See, Pujols was able to produce nearly two RBIs for every RISP hit because opponents would often only pitch to him if there was enough runners on base to force them to. If a base was open, he’d get the walk. So, consider that and refigure Pujols’ numbers using Howard’s rate of production.

That would give him 95 RBIs with runners in scoring position and a total of … 136 RBIs.

Not enough to take over the lead, but plenty to chomp into that distance MVP voters have pointed to as a consideration when they rank their selections for the award.

But then, we’ve seen something like this race before. In 2005. We know how that turned out.

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24 comments

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Steve,

I don’t think he is scorned as much as you seem to think. I think most people here are just upset that he gets more press in ESPN. Personally I like Howard and wouldn’t mind having him on the Cards if it wasn’t for Pujols already holding down the position. But I don’t think Howard deserves the MVP this year, IMO he isn’t even the MVP of his own team much less the league. Utley had 130 RC to Howards 113, Utley had a 133 OPS+ to Howards 123, Howard leads in WPA 2.18 to 1.42. Pujols has BTW, 160, 190 and 6.20 respectively. Pujols may not play as many games because he is nursing an injury but when he plays he influences more wins then Howard and Utley combined, he has created over 35 more runs then Howard in that less playing time as well. There is no way Howard can even come close to matching him. I don’t think people are rooting for Pujols because we don’t like Howard it is just that he is truely better. Lastly, I really don’t see how in a city like StL, that has over 50% minority population in the City and about a 20% in the County, would be racist against Howard, just don’t see that argument.

— Hugo
3:45 pm October 1st, 2008

Awesome research. Only 2 stats show Howard as more valuable than Pujols. Unfortunately, those are the 2 a lot of people see.

— Bert
5:05 pm October 1st, 2008

Part of the reason El Hombre’s batting average skews so high with RISP is all those walks. How about somebody take a look at plate appearances with runners in scoring position. You’d probably also want to include sac fly numbers. While pushing a runner across is valuable, its not as valuable as doing it without giving up an out. I’d also recommend looking at Sac Bunts, but seeing as neither of these sluggers play for Dusty Baker they surely didn’t attempt any.

I did enjoy the analysis though. Pujols for MVP indeed.

— Ted
10:34 pm October 1st, 2008

WOW DG! What an awsome read! You just provided the statistical information that supports the reasons why the Cards need to get a “fearfull-impact bat” to hit behind Albert Pujols. Also, you need to forward this to all those sportswriters who cast votes for the MVP. Very telling stuff. We Cards fans are blessed to have BIRDLAND to feed on. GREAT DINNER!! THANKS DG!!

— dave cobler
8:09 am October 2nd, 2008

If Albert played on the east or west coast there would not be any discussion of “if” he would be MVP. He would be a shoe in.

— Dan Swan
8:18 am October 2nd, 2008

Steve

EDGED out Cincinnati for 4th place? Did you even LOOK at the standings and records when you posted that? Did you realize that Cardinals were closer to the CUBS than the Reds were the Cardinals? The Cardinals finished 11.5 games back of Chicage whereas the Reds were TWELVE games behind the Cardinals?

— Craig
8:29 am October 2nd, 2008

The Cardinals finished four games out of the wild card with a better record than the Dodgers, who are hopefully on the way to an upset over the Cubs.

In 2006, Albert was pretty much just as deserving of the MVP as this season, except that the Cardinals actually won the division and the Phillies didn’t make the playoffs. Yet Howard won the MVP that year. Now, the situations are reversed, though the stats are roughly the same for both Howard and Pujols (Albert’s numbers are probably even better this year, he’s something like 80 points ahead of the second-place in slugging in the NL). It will be interesting to see if the East Coast double standard holds true for Howard this year over Pujols.

The big factor in Albert’s favor that gets far too little mention is defense. Pujols is a legitimate gold glover in the past. There are a few guys like Derrick Lee who are slicker fielders at first, but Albert probably has the most positive defensive impact of any first baseman in baseball. Fielding stats are a science still in its infancy (or maybe Little Man stage), but Pujols has crazy zone ratings. He’s also an integral part of most of Molina’s pickoffs from behind the plate, which helps keep opposition runners honest, reducing steals, extra bases going first to third or scoring from first on a double. Albert is also an aggressive and effective baserunner, especially for a guy with his very modest footspeed. He plays all out in all phases and impacts the game to his team’s benefit for three outs every inning and every at bat of every game.

Ryan Howard seems like a nice young man, Pride of St. Louis, already up there with Joe Garagiola (!). But when he’s not holding a bat, he’s a liability to the Phillies. He’s a minus fielder, easily in the bottom half or worse of Major League first basemen. Howard is a better, more durable version of Chris Duncan. You have to wonder if Howard’s future is in the American League.

Just think how obscene it would be if Howard wins his second MVP before Pujols.

— Fuhrig
2:07 pm October 2nd, 2008

Actually, Joey Votto WAS in the majors all season. He broke camp with the Reds. He was limited to platooning at 1st base until a few weeks into the season, so that might limit at-bats, but he wasn’t ever in the minors this year. You may be thinking of Jay Bruce, who didn’t join the team until late May.

— eli
10:54 pm October 2nd, 2008

DG - A few thoughts of the top …

I would say that the lack of any Cub on the list is an indication that they spread it around from top to bottom.

Conversely I am appalled that Albert trailed by so much, even with his time off. It is obvious now to me what the main priority in the offseason should be and that is upgrades at 2B AND SS.

I am glad you saw fit to consider the situations in which Albert was actually pitched to. This only solidifies my thought in the 2nd paragraph.

Question - do know if there are any others that have more RBIs than ABs with RISP? Arod? Manny? Ortiz?

Please show this to the Cardinals FO. They need to see what kind of animal they have batting third and realize the need to set him up regularly, consistntly and without fail. Just imagine the possiblities!

JackD

— JackD
8:25 am October 3rd, 2008

Eli,

You are correct. Thanks for the catch. I meant to somehow clarify that Votto had not been a full-time player all year — offering some context for his total. I’m diving back in to make the fix. Thanks again,

dg

— Derrick Goold
8:54 am October 3rd, 2008

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