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12.04.2008 12:35 pm

Khalil Greene Continues Middle Infield Carousel

St. Louis Post-Dispatch
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TOWER GROVE — The Cardinals are close to acquiring a new face while continuing a familiar trend.

Late last night the news broke, by Joe Strauss here at The Post-Dispatch and by Padres beat writer Tom Krasovic over at the San Diego Union-Tribune, that the Cardinals had traded for San Diego shortstop Khalil Greene. Greene will become the St. Louis Cardinals’ fourth different everyday shortstop since the start of the 2004 World Series. And, his contract gives every indication that he could just be coming in as a bridge to the fifth different everyday shortstop between 2004 and 2010. Greene is owed $6.5 million this next season, and he will be a free agent next winter.

Should be OK. The Cardinals are used to a carousel at the pivot. They have plenty of practice rifling through middle infielders each winter.

2B Junior Spivey

Briefly aboard the Cardinals Carousel: 2B Junior Spivey

Since Fernando Vina started 149 games at second base, Edgar Renteria started 147 games at shortstop, and both won a Gold Glove at their position in 2002, the Cardinals have played musical chairs with their middle infield. A tandem hasn’t started more than 135 games together sincce 2002, and the Cardinals have had a dozen different infielders start at least 30 games at the position — not double-counting shortstop Aaron Miles who started 33 games there in 2007 and second baseman Aaron Miles who started 63 games there the same season. And lest we forget Junior Spivey.

The closest the position has come to being stable is from 2004 to the 2005 when four players started at least 125 games each at the position.

Of course, it was two different sets of double-play tandems.

A nostalgic trip through the names that have come and gone in the middle infield:

2003: 2B Bo Hart (65), 2B Miguel Cairo (33), 2B Vina (58); SS Renteria (154)

2004: 2B Tony Womack (125); SS Renteria (148)

2005: 2B Mark Grudzielanek (132); SS David Eckstein (154)

2006: INF Miles (104); 2B Ronnie Belliard (53), 2B Hector Luna (35); SS Eckstein (119)

2007: INF Miles (96); 2B Adam Kennedy (74); SS Eckstein (112)

2008: 2B Miles (49); 2B Kennedy (74); SS Cesar Izturis (110)

SS Khalil Greene

Hopping on the Carousel: pending Cardinals' SS Khalil Greene

Greene, who will turn 30 in October, once was the prototype for a fixture at shortstop. He has been the Padres’ starter there since 2004, had a season in 2007 that put him alongside the generation of standout shortstops in the National League (i.e., J.J. Hardy, Troy Tulowitzki, Stephen Drew, and the stockpile of stars in the NL East), and fit that age for a long-term deal. It’s not like San Diego didn’t try. Greene turned down a four-year, $29-million offer from the Padres last offseason — and then had a disastrous 2008 that ended with a frustration-powered punch and a fractured hand. (There is a grievance pending because the Padres argue they shouldn’t pay him for time missed for a “self-inflicted” injury.)

Back during the Spivey era, I wrote a story about the rotating cast of players the Cardinals had called on to play second base. Spivey was supposed to be the third reclamation project in three seasons, following Womack and Grudzielanek. Said two Cardinals officials still with the club:

Manager Tony La Russa said: “The situation has been a good one for all parties. Each of the guys that have gone on — Tony and Mark — they were good for us, and we were good for them. It’s not my favorite way to go. … It’s just a position that’s been in transition for us.”

Then assistant general manager John Mozeliak said: “It may seem like it, but it’s not a strategy. Is there a risk to running that model year after year? Sure.”

There was a brief moment in time when the Cardinals seemed on the verge of providing stability in the middle infield. Eckstein had a three-year extension offer on the table just as Kennedy was starting the first year of his three-year deal. While the Cardinals acknowledged that the pool of candidates for those positions was such that they could keep costs low by using a rotating cast, they did have interest in ending the constant rotation of new faces.

It hasn’t happened. In fact, it’s gone from only second to now also shortstop.

Greene is not unlike several of the other infielders the Cardinals have brought on a one-year revival. Womack. Grudzielanek. Izturis. He’s coming off a down year. He’s looking to regain some career traction. If the deal is completed, he’ll get playing time. And he could be gone after one year.

It’s not the stability at shortstop that the Cardinals may crave.

And it’s not like the Cardinals have a surefire answer on deck. Tyler Greene, drafted and groomed as a shortstop, was added to the 40-man roster recently and will get his first taste of big-league spring training. He’s reclaimed his prospect tag, but could just as easily be the solution at second base if he is more consistent as a hitter. Down the chain there’s Pete Kozma, the first-round pick in 2007, who is a steady glove making a deliberate climb through the system. (Greene is currently the leader for No. 17 in the Bird Land Community Top 30 prospect rankings, and Kozma has spurred plenty of discussion during the ongoing vote of readers.) Greene’s contract gives the Cardinals flexibility for 2010. But it also means another year, another spin of the middle-infield roulette.

Guess there’s always that increasing chance Kennedy is back as the starter at second.

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Multimedia multitasker Bernie Miklasz takes you through all of the statistics that make up Greene in his blog, Extra Points — an entry filed just as the breakfast crowd starts shuffling in at South City Diner. … Here is a retro feature from his turn as a college baseball star at Clemson. … Greene is a follower of the Baha’i faith, and it is reflected in his name: Khalil means “friend of God” and his middle name, Thabit, means “steadfast”. There is more on Greene, his family and his faith in this feature story from his rookie year. In it, Greene said: “I feel that if I accept the fact that what I do brings happiness to people and they enjoy watching me play, then I feel that in itself is a form of worship. We’re taught in (the Baha’i) faith that your work can be a form of worship. I try to do that and play the game like it’s meant to be played.”

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My full opinion of this deal will be formed when we learn who the mysterious “Minor League RHRP” traded in exchange for Greene are.

I like the deal. I really think there is the potential for Greene’s numbers to skyrocket, when he is not playing half of his games at PETCO Park.

Career Home OPS: .658

Career Road OPS: .802

Career Home SLG: .369

Career Road SLG: .484

Big difference.

This guy also is one of the top five defensive SS in the league.

— emc2013
1:06 pm December 4th, 2008

I think it’s up to Kahlil as to how his time in STL will be remembered. If he chooses to forgo his wild swinging ways and focus more on contact, I think he can have a great year here. His D is plenty good enough.

— Brian White
1:17 pm December 4th, 2008

There is a lot to like about this deal.

BUT who are the prospects? When will we find out?

— tihma1234
1:56 pm December 4th, 2008

Looks like Mark Worrell and possibly Luke Gregorson.. not bad at all..

— Bizzy15
2:41 pm December 4th, 2008

Somebody quickly send him off with Albert or someone. Make them live together. Hit practice together. Get that Shortstop Training Montage Anthem pumping. Then sit back with Mo, drink that foreign beer that St. Louisans love so much and cross our fingers.

— adam h
3:34 pm December 4th, 2008

hi, from Monterrey. Mexico, I fan my CARDINALS ST. LOUIS, and of the king
ALBERT PUJOLS, MOZELIAK WHY NOT FIND A JORGE CANTU… looking the great player mexican , from the position 2B..JORGE CANTU…GREEN (SS) and CANTU (2B), PUJOLS (1B), GLAUSS(3B)…WONDERFUL INFIELD…THE TEAM OF CHAMPIONSHIP..

BUT THE GIANTS ARE LOOKING FOR A JORGE … .. MOZELIAK HAPPENS TO JORGE is a bargain …WHY I WANT TO SEE MY CARDINALS CHAMPIONS AGAIN .. AND JORGE HAS FUTURE.

— FRANCISCO RODRIGUEZ
7:12 pm December 4th, 2008

Francisco Rodriguez, your english is good enough to make your opinion understandable. I appriciated reading it. If I’m not mistaken, I think Cantu has played primarily as a corner infielder. He was a mainstay on my fantasy team and a great bargain!
I think Kahlil may have a very good contract year here. With a good first half, an extension at a reasonable salary might be possible. It will be important to get a second baseman who is good at going to his right. Greene is much stronger in the hole than up the middle. We also need OBP and enough power to hit fifth or sixth from the second base position. Kelly Johnson? Jose Lopez? etc.

— roger from tahoe
8:24 pm December 4th, 2008

Mr. Goold,

Now that the Cards have taken care of SS for the ‘09 season, what are the odds that they bring back Felipe Lopez for 2B? Is he looking for a long term deal due to his mini-revival here last year?

On a related note, is Mr. Mozeliak receiving any interest in Adam Kennedy from the league? I know that he was requesting a trade, and he actually had a decent year in a significantly reduced role.

It seems like an infield of Glaus, Greene, Lopez, and Pujols would be quite an upgrade from last year. Who do the Cardinals have as utility infielders currently?

Thanks, as always, for any answers.

— etp_stl
8:46 pm December 4th, 2008

Interesting info. However, as one who was awake and followed the internet postings last night or actually early this am, the story was clearly broken by the NY post, which Joe Straus acknowledged in a separate article today.

— Clubmaker
2:33 am December 5th, 2008

C’maker,

You’ll notice that this blog entry was posted more than 12 hours after the initial report, which was on a blog at the New York Post, and there had been many reports of information since. My intent was not to hand out merit badges for scoops but merely link to the two BEST stories at THAT MOMENT on the trade — the ones that had the most up-to-date information … Oh, and ones that also would be updated throughout the day as the names involved became clear.

Had this been a news article or closer to the breaking news, professional courtesy demands a cap-tip to the Post. (Alas, not every media outlet agrees.) You’ll notice there was a mention in the news article.

dg
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— Derrick Goold
12:46 pm December 5th, 2008

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