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12.22.2008 11:30 am

Where will these closers close? (A Poll)

St. Louis Post-Dispatch
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TOWER GROVE — The closer market gained sudden speed in Las Vegas at the Baseball Winter Meetings with the New York Mets landing Francisco Rodriguez to close and then elbowing aside contenders like the St. Louis Cardinals and Detroit to trade for Seattle closer J.J. Putz, adding him as a setup reliever. At the same time, the Cleveland Indians pounced on Kerry Wood to handle their ninth innings and then …

Nothing. Silence. Impatience. Little more than whispers, noncommittal footsy under the radar.

It was the eye of the storm passing over the market.

With word Sunday that the Los Angeles Angels are out of the Mark Teixeira hunt and redirecting their efforts to land Brian Fuentes, the closer derby could spin back into action just in time for Christmas. The delay in the market has had the desired effect for Fuentes. It’s created a duel for his services. This entry is all about the polls, so we’ll start with Fuentes:

Where will Brian Fuentes close?

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There are still a handful of teams shopping for a closer, including Detroit, Milwaukee, the Angels and Cardinals. San Diego, Oakland and the Los Angeles Dodgers could also enter the fray if their is a arm or a price to their liking.

The Cardinals all-time saves leader, Jason Isringhausen, waits for the closer market to spin his direction.

The Cardinals' all-time saves leader, Jason Isringhausen, waits for the closer market to spin his direction.

Several of those teams have in-house alternatives, though they range from Jonathan Broxton, who has experience doing it, to rookies like the Cardinals’ Kid Closers to less ideal candidates from the middle innings. The market offers a similar spectrum of options, though in dwindling commodities. Fuentes is atop the class, while Trevor Hoffman is the seasoned vet who had a strong second half an Jason Isringhausen is on the verge of 300 and in need of a bounceback season. Takashi Saito has the recent track record to go with an injury concern. Juan Cruz starred as a setup man in Arizona and is arguably the best reliever still available — but is he ready for a team to promote him to the ninth inning?

The focus here is on the two veterans, the Cardinals’ all-time leader in saves and baseball’s all-time leader in saves, a total of 847 saves between them and no real clear sense where this hurry-up-and-wait market will take them.

Trevor Hoffman?

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Jason Isringhausen?

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If the Cardinals are looking for an experienced closer who had good enough stats last season to still be able to close, Trevor Hoffman, Keith Foulke, Eddie Guardado, & Al Reyes are all available and certainly would be more affordable than Fuentes. Of this group, Hoffman would be the best fit because his experience and his change-up would be the perfect mentor for Chris Perez and Jason Motte.

— Michael Scriven
12:47 pm December 22nd, 2008

If Jason Isringhausen would be willing to come back to the Cards on a 1 year deal, start from scratch, and battle for the closers role, I think it’d be a great idea.

In fact, it’d be great to get Hoffman AND Izzy both for 1 year (probably for the same price as 1 year of Fuentes).

— Brian White
1:02 pm December 22nd, 2008

As mentioned in the previous blog, the Cardinals have not shown interest in Hoffman. La Russa mentioned at the winter meetings that the Cardinals haven’t talked about Hoffman as a fit for the closer role. According to The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, the Brewers had a similar take on Hoffman.

It could be that many teams believe he’ll end up in San Diego. It could also be that there are some concerns about Hoffman’s performance.

I would like to know who these “others” are that people are voting for …

dg
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— Derrick Goold
1:04 pm December 22nd, 2008

DG, I’ll give you my “other” for Hoffman, a wild card guess…

Tampa Bay Rays. Price is going into the rotation and with Percival being a question mark, I could see the Rays looking for some added vet leadership in the pen. Hoffman could provide that.

— Brian White
1:09 pm December 22nd, 2008

I like Tampa Bay as a landing spot for a veteran closer. Good call.

— Derrick Goold
1:17 pm December 22nd, 2008

How about just wishful thinking that Hoffman seems to be such a good fit?
Keith Foulke had a lousy ‘05 & ‘06, then missed all of ‘07. He threw just over 30 innings last season but the numbers are there for a team to install him into the closer’s role.
I”m not high on Eddie Guardado, but he’s a lefty with closer experience and he pitched well for the Rangers. And then,
Al Reyes, former Cardinal, closed for Tampa in ‘07, set-up in ‘08. If the club doesn’t mind giving save opportunities to Perez when Reyes can’t go back to back, it would make Al a viable option.
It just bugs me a bit that the Cardinals seemed so fixed on Fuentes around the price he could command. Unless TLR & Duncan see a Lidge-type of turnaround in him, otherwise it seems like too much to spend where every dollar of salary seems so valuable.

— Michael Scriven
1:23 pm December 22nd, 2008

How about adding Saito and B.J. Ryan to the polls?

— runsuprun
1:44 pm December 22nd, 2008

Some of you people have completely lost your f** minds. Mo I hope you read these message boards. I was preparing to buy a partial season tix packs for 4 seats. If you are stupid enough to bring that scrub Issy back for another season you can stick those tickets where the sun don’t shine.
This is pure insanity!! It was painful watching IZZY blow games last year.
It shows nothing more that the Cards hiring warm bodies for a cheap price.
He’s cheap because he sucked as a closer. I am tired of being taken for granted as a fan.
I was in New Jersey for a X-mas party late last week and when people heard I was from STL all they could say was how cheap the Cards were. People in other parts of the country think of us as a Cheapskate organization. Nobody expects you to be the Yankee’s or Mets but act like the winningest franchise in the history of the National League and put a team that is going to challenge the top of the National league. Bill, If you just want a cash cow and aren’t interested in upholding the stature and prestige of the Cardinal organization then sell the team.

— JRiver556
1:46 pm December 22nd, 2008

JRiver556,

A few points.

1. I don’t think anyone is saying we should lock Izzy up in a 3 year deal. Go back and read. 1 year deal with no assurance of the closer role.

2. Who cares what some people from New Jersey “at a party” thought of the Cardinals? When was the last time the Mets won the World Series?

3. I’ll probably buy the tickets.

— Brian White
2:51 pm December 22nd, 2008

JRiver556, you are so full of crap. I agree we cannot bring back Izzy. After New York, LA, Chicago, and Boston, how many other teams have a bigger payroll than the Cardinals? 3 or 4? Where does St. Louis’ market size rank in baseball? The Cardinals have had a combination of bad luck (Carp, Juan E.) and bad decisions (Mulder-Haren, resigning Edmonds, Izzy, Mulder again), that have caused them not to be able to maximize production-for-payroll amount like the Phillies have (who spent less last year than the Cardinals). No way in any realm outside your brain and the collective brain of other irrational whiners can the Cardinals be considered cheap when, (and don’t miss this KEY point), YOU COMPARE THEM TO OTHER MLB MARKETS THIS SIZE. So either you’re lying about your New Jersey story, or that area of the country is as stupid as they sound.

— steve
3:09 pm December 22nd, 2008

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