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MLB.com’s Project: A Starting 9 on 9/9/09

St. Louis Post-Dispatch
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TOWER GROVE — A fascinating vote is underway today at MLB.com and around its 30 official sites, as the numerologists there have some fun with today’s date — Sept. 9, 2009 — and the statistically rich number of spots in a batting order. Mentioned this in today’s 10@10, but it’s too cool of a project not to take a look at deeper.

Especially, when you consider some of the seasons up for a vote.

Inspired by the once-a-century date, MLB.com has put together ballots for fans to vote on the all-time best Starting 9 for individual teams. The ballot for the St. Louis Cardinals is available here. There are a couple Triple Crown winners in there, but also listed alongside Joe Medwick’s 1937 season is Ryan Ludwick’s 2008 season, which may just be the best power season ever by a bats-right, throws-left player. Sure, Bob Gibson hit five home runs in 1965, but is that enough trump Mike O’Neil’s 21 runs scored in 1902 or Jason Marquis’ .310 average a hundred years after O’Neil hit .319?

At first base, the year Albert Pujols considers his best (2006) spars with Mark McGwire’s drive to 70.

The project — which is described in great deal here by Tim Ott, complete with links to all of the ballots — focuses solely on offense. There’s another discussion to be had on who would be the All-Time Starting 9 for the Cardinals. (First crack: P Bob Gibson, C Ted Simmons, 1B Albert Pujols, 2B Rogers Hornsby, 3B Ken Boyer, SS Ozzie Smith, LF Lou Brock, CF Jim Edmonds, RF Stan Musial.) The “9/9/9″ idea focuses solely on offense.

So here was how I would vote (using options on MLB.com’s ballot), with the players’ triple-crown numbers:

P Curt Davis … 1939 … .381/1/17

C Ted Simmons … 1975 … .332/18/100

1B Albert Pujols … 2006 … .331/49/137

2B Rogers Hornsby … 1922 … .401/42/152

3B Joe Torre … 1971 … .363/24/137

SS Edgar Renteria … 2003 … .330/13/100

OF Stan Musial … 1948 … .376/39/131

OF Jim Edmonds … 2004 … .301/42/111

OF Joe Medwick … 1937 … .374/31/154

So, while you watch this afternoon’s game from Miller Park, who you got?

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I follow yours pretty closely, but I swapped Gibson for Davis and Brock for Edmonds.

— Dweeze
12:34 pm September 9th, 2009

Gibson over Davis other wise we think alike,…scary eh?

— 13th Warrior
12:41 pm September 9th, 2009

I filled in mine a couple hours ago but I had the same 8 position players and Bob Gibson as my pitcher, while the average on Davis was hard to pass up I had to remember that the number of ABs for a pitcher is so small that only a couple hits can change alot and the home run advantage was big for Gibson.

— hugo
12:42 pm September 9th, 2009

I’m with you on all but Curt Davis and Jim Edmonds, who I was really struggling with, but went with Chick Hafey (1929 .338 29 125 101 7) instead, based off of total runs produced, and the higher average. As for Davis, I thought it was a toss up between him and Mike Oneil, but thought the runs scored out weighed the average. One question, has anybody put up #’s like Hornsby did at second base. I’ve always been amazed at the #’s he put up.

— MSUrulz
12:50 pm September 9th, 2009

hard to argue with Gibson’s hitting, but I would have liked to see Woody or Wainwright in the mix.

I grew up a Yankee’s fan in PA, but I would take my Cards team over the Yank’s team in a beat. More balance throughout the line-up.

— Joepa
12:52 pm September 9th, 2009

“Inspired by the once-a-century date,”

Ummmm, isn’t EVERY date a once-a-century thing?

— simpleton
12:56 pm September 9th, 2009

Nope. Every date is a once thing. Shaving off the first two digits of the year makes it a once-in-a-century thing.

— Derrick Goold
1:16 pm September 9th, 2009

I quibble with some of the years selected for the various players. For example, I like Brock’s 1967 (20HR/50 SB) and Templeton’s 1979 (100 hits from both sides of the plate/19 3b).

— freed5179
2:01 pm September 9th, 2009

How about Willie McGee’s 1985 MVP season: .353 average, 216 hits, 56 stolen bases, 18 triples, 82 RBI’s as a #2 hitter.

— KenRin
2:07 pm September 9th, 2009

My choices were mostly the same as yours. I picked 2004 Rolen over 1971 Torre, only because Rolen had more home runs and because I thought it would be cool to include all three members of the 2004 “MV3″ (even if it is 2006 Pujols rather than 2004 Pujols).

I also picked Gibson as the pitcher, partly because of his five home runs, and partly because it is just hard to omit Gibson from an all-time Cardinals team, even if the selections are supposed to be based on hitting ability only.

The two choices that I thought were the easiest and most obvious were Rogers Hornsby and Stan Musial. They both pretty much blow away all of the competition at their positions, at least in my opinion.

I also agree with another commenter who wonders why Willie McGee’s 1985 season was omitted. I don’t know that I would have voted for him, but I think he belongs on the list.

— Paul H
3:28 pm September 9th, 2009

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