PostCards: Who manages the St. Louis Cardinals in 2010?
TOWER GROVE — In this crowded field of mailbags and Q&As and message boards and chats and blogs there are only so many questions about Skip Schumaker playing second base to fuel so many different give-and-take platforms. Good thing PostCards has Frank Fuhrig.
The mailbag was loaded with questions answered better elsewhere or answered often before, but on election day into the hopper Fuhrig fired this gem: Who manages the St. Louis Cardinals in 2010?
The poll is below.
This next season is the final season of manager Tony La Russa’s contract with the club, and he has given no indication that he plans for it to be his last. Though, it’s not his style to announce such things early in the game. La Russa will undoubtedly do what La Russa has always done, most recently after the draining season of 2007 — he’ll decide if he still has the drive after the season is finished. It would be foolish for the Cardinals not to at least construct a short list of options in case La Russa decides to walk away. Already there are a few candidates in the wings — Jose Oquendo, the club’s third-base coach for the past decade, and rising manager prospect Ron “Pop” Warner, the team’s Double-A manager.
Jose Oquendo: Manager-in-Waiting?
Colleague Joe Strauss visited with Oquendo in Puerto Rico this past week and wrote about Oquendo’s future and his wishes to manage. Oquendo’s name is on the radar for major-league manager openings now. He’s interviewed in Seattle this winter and interview a few winters ago in San Diego. Getting considered for such jobs puts his name in circulation, and that’s part of the process of landing a gig for a first-time manager. He also has the appeal locally of being a bridge manager — someone who played for Whitey Herzog and worked for La Russa. He also has a working relationship with Dave Duncan, who will have an intriguing decision to make if La Russa decides to head west, for good.
And that’s a big if.
But it’s a fine place to start a mailbag. On with PostCards.
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Q: PoliSci guy, here’s an idea to use your snazzy polling capabilities: A successor when Tony La Russa’s current term expires after 2009. OK, so it’s a long transition period: that’s just how the Consti… um, contract is written. Who should be Cardinals manager in 2010, to lead the team over a bridge to the 21st century’s second decade.
Some candidates: Tony La Russa, Democrat. Platform: A hard nine, animal rights, don’t change horses in mid-stream (Nod to “WAG the dog”), endorsed by Albert Pujols. … Jose Oquendo, bidding to be the first Latin American skipper in the Redbirds dugout. Platform: Another term for LaRussa? Or Whitey Herzog? … Joe Maddon, platform: A candidate for change to a player development model. … Pop Warner. … Don Mattingly?
DG: Seems like a good poll to start the holidays, because really Fuhrig’s question is more about who you wish will follow La Russa into the manager’s office and not necessarily who will. Wishes are part of this season. A lot can happen between now and La Russa volunteering to step away from the Cardinals’ dugout. There are some obvious in-house candidates and there are certain to be some less-obvious outside candidates (Willie Randolph? Jim Leyland?).
In constructing this poll for the readers, I used Fuhrig’s suggested ballot of candidates:
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Q: Thanks for taking my question. What happens to a free agent that is type A or B that does not sign with a team until after the June draft? Does the team the player left miss out on draft picks or are the compensated in the following years draft? I think this happened with Roger Clemens a couple of years ago when he signed with the Yankees.
– Jeff F.
DG: First, the Clemens situation. Clemens made his dramatic announcement at Yankee Stadium in May 2007, so he did sign before the draft. Though he was a Type A free agent, there would be no compensation because Houston didn’t offer him arbitration. That’s usually the key. Second, a brief crash course on how the compensation works:
- Players are assigned a type, and Type A and Type B free agents net compensation.
- The player must be signed before Dec. 1 or offered arbitration by former team.
- A Type A player that signs with another team means his former team gets the signing team’s first-round pick and an additional “sandwich” pick.
- A Type B player costs the signing team nothing, but gains the former team a “sandwich” pick.
- New to the current CBA is the top 15 picks in the draft are protected from this, and the signing team with a top-15 pick would surrender a second-round pick for a Type A free agent. (In 2009, the top 16 picks are protected because Washington didn’t sign Mizzou pitcher Aaron Crow.)
Now to the question. What happens if a Type A or Type B signs after that next summer’s draft? Given that the player was offered arbitration and rejected the offer, it seems natural that compensation of some kind would be awarded. The Collective Bargaining Agreement is less than clear on this possibility (stunning, I know). But there is a telling statement on Page 73 of the CBA that states compensation for lost free agents “shall be awarded in the Major League Rule 4 Draft succeeding the Player’s election of free agency.”
A strict interpretation of that phrase says a team is due compensation the draft immediately following the player’s choice to become a free agent — not immediately following the player actually signing a deal with a different team. I have emails in to people for clarification. But I think that sentence says it all. It’s compensation in the next summer’s draft or there’s no compensation.
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Free Agent SS Nick Punto: "Low-Hanging Fruit"?
Q: All the “big player” teams (Yankees, Red Sox, Mets, Angels, Rangers, Dodgers, Cubs, Brewers, etc) have their golden horses at the starting line ready and itching at the bit to start the FA race and grab up most the winnings while the leaving the rest of the pack to scramble for the crumbs they leave behind. When their dust settles, do you think there will be any crumbs worth while to pick up?
– David O. Cobler, Topeka, Kan.
DG: There will be. This is a particularly deep free-agent class, especially when it comes to starting pitchers, and the economy seems to have put a chill on the spending spree for the middle-tier free agents. There is also an overheated trade market, especially as teams try to land cost-effective starting pitching. All of that leaves plenty of options for a team on the prowl for low-hanging fruit …
Sorry, it was just too easy.
… Not all of the “dust-settle” free agents are going to fill Cardinals’ needs, but some will. A quick list of free agents who will be in the second or third wave of signings, some of whom obviously will draw the Cardinals’ attention: RP Bob Howry, SP Jason Jennings, SP Randy Johnson (Cardinals are on his list), UT Mark Loretta (not a bad option at second base, worth re-exploring), RP Brandon Lyon (closed last season, Cards say they’d lean to go with one of the younger guys), SS Nick Punto (any appeal as starting shortstop for Cardinals?); SP Randy Wolf; RP Juan Cruz, though may draw more attention than any other player on this list.
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Q: I’ve been meaning to ask this question for a while and I’m just getting around to it. What are the MLB rules around player options in terms of promoting minor leaguers and sending them back down? I always hear during the season about players that run out of options making player personnel decisions trickier for GMs. How does that work exactly?
– Tim Catlett, St. Louis
DG: The nomenclature doesn’t help. Really they should always be referred to as “option years”, but that has just been shortened to “options.” I’ll use prospect Tyler Greene as an example to explain it. Greene was recently added to the 40-man roster on the first year he had to be added. That means he’ll come to spring training on the major-league roster. If he doesn’t make the team, Greene will have to be optioned to Triple-A. That triggers the first of his three “option years.” He can yo-yo between the majors and Triple-A all season long, wearing Interstate 55 if need be, and he’ll still only burn one option. The option covers the entire year. And he has three of them. They do not necessarily run three consecutive years — for example, Chris Perez could spend this entire season in the majors and still have two options left. Colby Rasmus could and still have three options left, as he has never been added to the 40-man roster. And so on.
Once a players option years runs out, like Brendan Ryan’s have, he must be passed through waivers to reach an assignment in the minors. Ryan, therefore, this spring is auditioning for all 30 teams.
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Q: We’re doomed! Doomed!
– Erma L.
DG: This may have been an email trying to sell me something or a Chicken Little chain letter floating through the newspaper industry. Not sure. But it came to PostCards. Hey, it is only Thanksgiving. Free agency has yet to really hit the shopping-spree season. There’s still plenty of time to fill holes. And, yes, there are some holes to fill.
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Well, to speculate a little . . . I recall in about 2003 that TLR said in an interview that Jose Oquendo SHOULD be the next manager of the Cardinals. The comment threw me since it seemed a little unbidden–it was about Jose’s current performance or duties, not his future with the team. What that says for today, I don’t know.
I also like Terry Pendleton as an option, and have for a long time. Don’t see Ozzie on the coaching staff quite as readily as Tom Herr or Danny Cox (the former having been mentioned by Whitey as a good possible future manager), but it’s interesting.
Speaking of former Cardinals, does Milt Thompson project at all as a manager in the near future? Pretty impressive resume as Phillies hitting coach, w/ add’l experience before that.
Couldn’t find anything current on Joe Maddon’s contract status, but if he senses an impending salary dump (a la the ‘98 Marlins), I could see him looking to the Midwest.
Warner has been a great organization guy for years and is the epitome of “paying your dues.” Good for Riggleman that he didn’t get the M’s job–in that organization, you aren’t so much passed over as you are “liberated.” He’s done about everything else in multiple go-arounds w/ the Cards–why not as manager?
The only guy in MLB who screams “player/manager” material now is Derek Jeter (and the Bronx is hardly an ideal setting for such a setup). Nothing against Pujols . . . I’d just see a P/M as a guy on the back half of his career who’d envision managing beyond his playing days (and since it hasn’t happened in nearly a quarter century, is it an idea whose day is past?). I do see Albert having the work ethic and baseball acumen to make it an intriguing possibility well down the road.
Kind of partial to Oquendo or Pendleton, with some interest in hearing reader comments about Milt Thompson.
I’d rather La Russa stayed, but I would toss Terry Pendleton out as another possible candidate, however unlikely that may be.
Until TLR loses his fastball, there’s nobody better.
does Simmons have any interest in managing?
What about Ken Oberkfell?
Ted Simmons would be interesting.
What is Tommy Herr doing now?
I thought he was back in baseball somewhere.
The Cards seem to be sticking to a tight payroll despite the revenues of a brand new stadium. Is the yet to be completed baseball village putting a strain on the payroll for players or is ownership just being tight with the wallet?
In 2007 Tommy Herr managed the “Washington National’s” A affiliate. That seems to be his most recent managerial stint in the game, but as for now it appears Tommy Herr currently isn’t “back in baseball”.
Bobby Cox’s contract is up after this season (I think) and I just wonder if Pendleton could possibly be waiting for the Atlanta job to open up. Just a guess, however. I would think he would be a top candidate for the Braves coaching job, if Cox isn’t brought back.
When Ned Yost was fired I was a bit surprised that Simmons was not named interim manager and not given a chance to “audition” for the Brewers coaching vacancy. He’d make a great manager.
I’m not sure if it has happened yet or not, but I’d expect the Rays to lock up Joe Maddon to a pretty big contract at some point this offseason.
In the end, my vote went to Oquendo…interesting topic.
Terry Pendleton
I think the manager’s job is Tony’s as long as he wants it. On the other hand, we do need a General Manager who will do his job rather than be a DumWitt puppet. We consistently draw 3 million fans but we invest in players as though we are some small market team. It’s time we sent a message to the Cardinals–in the form of staying away from the ballpark–unitl they repay our loyalty by signing some proven free agents instead of constantly going after “low hanging fruit”. An example–Jake Peavey has expressed interest in the Cardinals but I’ve heard nothing about us talking to him. What a joke MO is!!!! Lots of talk but no action!!!