Guest post: “For the Bible Tells Me So”
I was asked by reader Rachel D. to recommend the documentary “For the Bible Tells Me So,” which examines the use of the Bible in debates about gay rights. I found it very interesting, but since it primarily pits different interpretations of the Bible against each other, as a humanist I’m not the best judge of the arguments. So here is Rachel’s recommendation:
“For the Bible Tells Me So is a bold and moving documentary. It brought me to tears in several parts. I think anyone who is a religious person should try to open their minds and hearts and really listen to what this movie has to say. Watch the whole thing and give it a chance before you strike it down. Being a Christian myself it has always bothered me that there is a lot of hate towards gays coming from several religions and the people who practice them. In my opinion I always thought following God and being a Christian was about love and acceptance. Taking people in instead of pushing them away . . . isn’t that what God is all about? After all we aren’t the ones that are supposed to judge.” –Rachel D., St. Louis


Kate Lovelady, 38, of Dogtown is the Leader of the Ethical Society of St. Louis, which was founded in 1886 and is currently the largest Ethical Society in the nation. Kate's life partner, Billy Dechand, is a local musician. Kate's hobbies include vegan baking and riding her 49cc scooter.
I love that song. Its right up there with “You Are My sunshine,”
and I agree, our access to love is acceptance.
It is wrong for Christians to hate homosexuals, just as they have no justification to hate people who steal or defraud or commit adultery. We are all made in the image of God! Christians are forgiven for their sins, not perfect by their own right. Because of Christ’s obedience and death due to our disobedience to God, we have plenty to do to express our gratitude to Him and His ability to forgive all sinners and His desire to become their Friend.
The Bible is clear on who God is, what He expects from us and how we are to live our lives if we are to be with Jesus for eternity.
Christians are to love one another.
John 13:34
Christians are not to sin - there are sins that keep us from eternal life with Jesus.
1 Corinthians 6:8-10
Following God is much more complex than thinking that God is only loving and caring. He is Almighty, Holy, Sovereign and Loving. A Holy, Righteous and Just God has standards He requires to be with Him. Jesus is the only one who has paid for our sin. Once you see your sin, you repent, ask for forgiveness and turn from that sin. Any lifestyle that goes against God is sin, whether it be gambling, drunkeness, adultery or a gay lifestyle. Don’t be fooled by those who tell you you can alter God’s word.
2 Timothy 4:3
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires
Thank you Kate for including both the Website for the Bible Tells me so and the link to the youtube video. I am going to go purchase it I didn’t know they had it available for buying. I want to help support their documentary.
Hi I am Rachel D, or just Rachel as I usually post on here. This movie I can’t say enough good about it. I really love the parts where some pastors, and others talk about true meanings in the bible. Not just what it says, but what it really means, what it meant back then when it was written.
I think people take the bible for face value way to much and don’t realize that it was written in another time and that not everything you read in it really means what it says. Words, sayings, things all had a different meaning back then. I love the part where they bring up that the bible condemns eating shrimp….I never really knew that part was there because all my church and others ever focused on what the part about not lying with another man.
I really would like to know what you all think about the movie after you have watched it. In the youtube version there are like 9 different sections and almost all of them are around 10 minutes long so prepare yourself because I at least found it hard to tear myself away after I started it.
Thanks again Kate for posting this on here, I am so glad it was brought to my attention and that you could help me bring it to others.
To paraphrase Groucho Marx: I wouldn’t want to belong to any religion that wouldn’t have gays as a member.
As the documentary talks about, there are many things in the Holy Bible that even Fundamentalist Christians don’t believe, such as slavery and not eating shellfish. There may be a few that believe in the entirety of the Holy Bible, but most fundamentalists would even think they are nutjobs. So if the average fundamentalist doesn’t believe in the whole Bible, then why do they pick out homosexuality.
I think the reason is that the Bible gives them a justification for their hatred. The fundamentalists hate homosexuals because they don’t understand homosexuality, and people naturally hate what they don’t understand. However, instead of learning, they run to the Bible to rely on their God to tell them it’s ok to hate. Just like the fundamentalists relied the Bible to discriminate against women and African-Americans in the past. Despite the message of Jesus being one of love and equality.
The other tactic fundamentalists use in the fight against homosexuality that sickens me is when they claim it is the “patriotic duty” of their congregation to fight homosexuality. The falsehood of this is that the nation was founded on the inalienable rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Being patriotic would be to fight anything that takes those rights away. Instead fundamentalists use “patriotic duty” to take those rights away from a small group.
Many argue that we would want to stop a robber or murder from finding their happiness at another’s expense. except that a criminal is taking away the rights of someone else. In a homosexual relationship there are 2 consenting adults pursuing their own lives, liberties and pursuits of happiness.
Rachel,
Good to meet you.
I request you consider another view of interpretations of the Bible.
It is one, when read free of prejudice, that allows the Bible to be taken as it is written. Consider that it is the interpretations or the filters of prejudice and human nature that cause the inauthenticity in what may be seen in it.
One insight that may help in considering this shift. The Bible is a history of human nature, and all it may be made to mean. In its completeness it offers both old and new.
For an example, in the Old Testament we call upon God to destroy our enemies. In the New Testament we are called by God to embrace them.
The common pretense of collapsing the ways of the Old with the ways of the New is the mischief that is brought to the reading of the Bible by ourselves. It is not inherent in it, but in us.
One of the great attributes of the Bible is it age and wisdom. Much like us with our ourselves, it is how we choose to listen.
Thank you Kate, for posting this series of links. In one sense, this is the latest example of a long history of argument about the correct way to handle the Biblical text.
I doubt if this video will change any minds, if the stories will reach into the hearts of very many of those who hate. After all, the first requirement would be that those who hate would first have to admit that they might be wrong.
Is it only “fundamental bible believers” who oppose homosexuality?
If so,it should be simple to dismiss them.
Rachel,
The Bible condemns many foods and they should not be dismissed as we have dismissed them today. The dietary wisdom that the Bible offers still holds true even today. These foods that you speak about are truly unfit for human consumption. Ever think about our poor and sinful dietary habits being the reason for most of our illnesses today, and why our life span is not that of what it use to be when these dietary laws were followed more strictly by mankind in biblical times?
Just because most today do not follow these dietary laws do not invalidate them. We do pay the price for not following the wisdom that the Bible gives us for the fuel that we should use for our bodies, just as we are for destroying this earth that we were suppose to care for.
The only food that I truly struggle with giving up is shell fish and yes, it still a sin to eat these foods no matter how many times I have incorrectly interpreted scripture in desperation to justify me committing these sins and yes, a decision will have to me made my me regarding this area of my life also.