I don’t think Roeder being mentally ill is exactly a news flash nor that the pro-life community widely condemns this type of violence. What is more interesting is that the pro-abortion community never condemns the violence of late-term abortion or that Dr. Death profiting greatly from aborting 60,000 late-term abortions. He has made well over a million dollars. You’d think the anti-capitalist left would be appauled by this man’s greed, but instead they applaud him. That doesn’t make sense.

Bullseye, A CENTRIST. . .! Oh, and don’t you call them “pro-abortion.” They are - cue the fanfare, please - “pro-CHOICE!”

Thread Over.

The first two posters hit the proverbial nail on the head. Twice.

You guys are clueless. No one is applauding abortion. No one *likes* abortion. Dr. Tiller may have made money at his profession (As we all do) and he made a lot of it because quite frankly, it’s not something just anyone can do. It takes a significant amount of education, and beyond that, the stomach to do something right when it is an unpopular choice. How much money would you require to do something like this? And before you jump oh-so-quickly to the “I would NEVER do it for ANY amount of money” line, recognize that you would be missing the point. His payment was justified by a number of means. A champion of women’s rights was killed by a Christian fundamentalist. No one should be surprised.

On topic? Scott Roeder suffers from mental illness? Yeah he does. It’s called Christianity. Don’t feed me that BS to make him seem any less the monster that he is.

Is it truly mental illness or demonic influence that he is was affected by? And, aren’t most mental illnesses nothing more than demonic oppressions and possessions?

There are doors that people open up that allow these types of demonic activities to take place within men, women and children. And no doubt this man has opened up those doors very wide causing such evil to surface.

Many in the pro-life movement have become obsessed and obsessions are never good but are of evil and are why we see throughout history Christians committing the most evil and horrendous acts.

I cannot mourn the death of Tiller, for he was a murderer, and as Our Lord so precisely foretold, “he who lives by the sword, shall die by the sword.”
He was a man of violence, and came to a violent end.
We may only hope that perhaps that very day in his church, since his end was so near, he was given the grace of true repentence and contrition (what is known as a ‘miracle of grace’ for one so hardened in sin).
We must pray for his soul, for even if he was saved by miraculous means, he will probably have to endure much, much purgation before he may attain to the Beatific Vision.
And that’s the ironic part for you nay-saying pro-abortion people, after being murdered by a murderer, Tiller needs prayer just as much now as before; the real work begins now; and I, for one, have a reasonable hope of seeing him in Heaven, if I may attain to it myself.
There’s still a LOT of work to be done. This isn’t over.

And should it so be that Tiller has chosen his eternity apart from God in the unending agony of that free choice, our prayers for him will give aid to some other soul, perhaps in his same condition.

In the Faith, there no losers by chance. They only lose who freely choose to lose; and certainly the reward of Heaven is worth the risk of Hell.
That’s the paradox of the free will which God has given us, and which forms the dignity (that potential for virtue and the possibility of sharing the supernatural life of God) which you, me, Roeder and even Tiller himself did share.

Reluctant,

Here’s one for you, since you seem intent on imposing your morality on others:
Remember the bumper sticker which read, “Against abortion? Don’t have one.”
Well,
“Against shooting abortionists? Don’t shoot one.”

Or are you still intent upon imposing your fundamentalist anti-Christian dogmatism on all Christians who were and are in no manner whatsoever involved with this deeply sinful crime of the murder of the abortionist Tiller.
Can’t have it both ways. Choose one of the slogans above, gotta take the other.

Lee, you’ve got me all wrong. I’m opposed to Religion, no matter which skin it wears. Christianity is the one most strongly represented here, which may seem why I am specifically targeting them. Living in another culture, this would have been an anti-Muslim statement. Of course, living in another culture, said sentiment might have resulted in violence. Fortunately, I still live in a place where religious extremism turns to violence infrequently. Unfortunately, that same frequency seems to be on the incline. As a male, I am thankful that I will never be saddled with the difficult choice on whether or not to have an abortion. It is a very difficult decision to make either way, and once made, either way, your life is changed. No one goes into an abortion thinking “no big deal” I know this second hand from several women who have had abortions.

I digress, the point is, I am not about imposing my morality on anyone, though I find it difficult to contain my disgust when religious zealotry leads to atrocity. Someone took it upon themselves to take the life of another human being, one who was a humanitarian of the highest order, someone who did the right thing even when it came at such a high personal cost; and they did it fueled by religion-inspired hatred. This SHOULD fill anyone with disgust. You show no remorse. I’m guessing you didn’t lose any sleep over the Unitarian Church shooting in Tennessee a while back, did you? I personally agonized over it. Even though the people in question were Christians.

And despite what labels you desperately want to apply to me, I am not a militant atheist, either. I know that the existence of god can neither be proven nor disproven. I know that god’s existence doesn’t make sense to me, and that all evidence points to it being a man-made phenomenon, so I tend to argue that point, but I simply will not assign to an absolute in either direction. I don’t have the answers, but I am certain that you (the expansive “you”, not you in specific) don’t either. Accusing me of malaligning all Christians is blatently missing the point at best, and at worst, a rallying cry for like minded people here who have failed to recognize the tragegy that happened here, and turn a blind eye and a deaf ear to the atrocities inflicted on this species by their breathren around the world every passing second. It’s hard not to be crushed under the enormity of the problems, it’s hard not to throw your hands up in frustration and say that you can’t do anything about it. You can do something about it. Even something small has an impact, and when a billion people do something small, really powerfully great things happen. Here’s the point where most Christians point out the humanitarian efforts that several Christian organizations have undertaken, (which I applaud, even when they do so with the ulterior motive to expand their influence) but I will remind you that you don’t have to be religious to have an interest in helping out your fellow man. Basic human decency is not a province belonging to monotheistic religion.

Everyone that commits a murder is mentally ill. No one in their right mind could murder a fellow human. Whether the name is Roeder or Tiller, both were mentally ill.

Reluctant,

Wow.
That’s a lot of pontificating in response to my little self-righteous quip.
But it would seem that you have convinced yourself that you are a good person, “agonizing” over tragedies and all.
Good for you.
Of course, I must applaud your deep concern for all murdered human persons…EXCEPT by abortion.

Universal humanitarianism has its limits, I suppose; and apparently one need not be “religious” to hold an arid dogmatism.