leahk, It is good that you are a pro-life Democrat, but I question your commitment to that view if think it is such a trivial issue for this and any election. Somehow, I think you are not all that truthful about your beliefs since you wrangled the death penalty into this discussion.

This could be a reasonable discussion if the folks on the left actually set aside their radical views. No other issue being considered this November has affected as many American lives as abortion. One million babies are killed each year. These are kids that don’t even get a chance. Abortion as birth control is a sickening practice and your party supports it. You really need to reconsider your party choice.

Think,

Far reaching, NOT AT ALL! It is what the law considers a LOOPHOLE that I think personally was placed there in an attempt to deceive.

We are talking about LAWMAKERS here and I don’t care what they are claiming to be, the ones who concocted the bill), Christian, Atheist, Pro-Life or, whatever, they claim to be, the wording is DECEITFUL!

In law, wording is everything and a few unintended words, deceitful wording or whatever can change the entire intent of what was intended in a bill or new law and, in this particular situation, I think the wording is INTENTIONAL DECEIT, if you were to ask me my opinion personally.

Also think,

I would vote against anything that I saw was being presented using deceit and trickery and the possibility of untended consequences.

Now, personally, I would never hold an office due to my religious beliefs, there would be too many things that conflict with my religion, including WAR, DEATH PENALTY, and a whole hoist of other moral issues due to where I am at in my spiritual walk with Christ. I feel as a Christian I must be free to do things how I am guided by God to do, not man, and this is not the way I have always felt, but is what I have grown to know is right for me and any mature Christian.

Where politics are a concern, I think that Christian’s roles and duties are to do whatever is necessary within the confines of ways that are approved by God, to make certain that our rights are protected to practice our faith as written in scripture. I do know without any doubt that Christians should not attempt to control the actions of non-Christians and non-believers or force anyone to behave as Christians. Again where politics are concerned we must fight to practice our faith as written.

Pro-Lifers are missing the boat entirely. I am with Pastor Warren when he states that he considers himself WHOLE-LIFE, life and concern for ALL human life from birth to death, no matter one’s age or sins.

D. Walker,

You are not “whole-life” when you support the ending of millions of human lives a year. You are not “whole-life” when you fanatically attack the wording of legislation instead of addressing the actual life-saving intent of the legislation. The number of US babies killed by abortion exceeds all US lives taken in all US wars and all US executions for the entire existence of the US. Pastor Warren does not support abortion, but you do. Go ahead and keep the blinders on. Go ahead and fight to keep mass murderers off death row. Let the bodies of those babies keep piling up behind you.

So you don’t think Christian values should be in legislation. I’m guessing then that you would support removing from the books all laws tied to the commandments. Rape, murder, incest, theft would all be OK with you it seems. That type of view does not seem to be one of a mature Christian. It seems you are trying to blind us with your apparent faithfulness when in reality you are much more faithful to the Democratic party than the teachings of Christ.

Think,

As a Christian, I do not support abortions. Before I became a practicing Christian I supported abortions. My point is I do not believe, just as Christ did not believe in forcing His beliefs upon another. I will always speak to people about the Gospel of Christ, but if they reject it, that’s their godly choice.

As a Christian today, which I have not always lived as or been, and I praise Jesus for calling me out of the world. I today as a Christian would not find myself in situations that could lead to an unwanted pregnancy.

I walk with Christ each and everyday and do not even see rape as a possibility in my life because I know Christ is with me wherever I am.

My point here is that not all are Christians and believers and, we can’t legislate everything according to what Christians believe in this country. Our Constitution respect the right for one to practice any and all religions in this country. Some religions such as Jewish religions support limited abortions.

I have no doubt that ALL babies are heaven bound upon death, being preserved in heaven with God for God’s Kingdom to come. No one can find anything in scripture to support this same thing for a life of a man’s or woman’s life without having lived a life that was for God first and beyond everything else. If you or anyone else out there can find anywhere in scripture that you have the right to condemn a man or woman to Hell, then back it up for me, and SHOW ME and everyone this scripturally.

Now also take into consideration God’s truth that only He can call someone out of the world to Him. Things take place in God’s timing not ours or how we think they should. How do you know God’s timing for calling that murderer to Him and that God’s timing has not come? Maybe that murderer had not been called by God YET and, you think that you or any man or woman has the right to interfere in God’s timing for anything?

You totally miss the most important thing in life, we were made to serve God not ourselves self and, our prize for this is the Kingdom of God. The hope for sinners to turn their life around to understand this and coming to repentance was the reason for Christ, this gift is even extended to the murderer with the goal for all who accept this gift from God to make it into “The Kingdom of God” the new earth to come. This is what it is all about according to Christ.

By the way, Think, I am a Independent and let me just state clearly so that you don’t miss understand this next statement from me.

If you or anyone thinks that being a Republican over a Democrat determines one’s holiness then you have been blinded by Satan because common sense without the Holy Spirit operating within to give one wisdom into hidden things, proves such a notion to be clearly non-sense. One who thinks otherwise would certainly seem to must be blinded by Satan.

idontreadorthink wrote “suzyjax — so you would consider over 1 million abortions a year a rarity?”

Well, IF you would actually have read my post you would note that I said such a plan included comprehensive sex education and access to birth control. We have neither of these, thus we have the one million statistic you quoted (without attribution). Perhaps if people like Ms Tyree would also quit fighting things like comprehensive sex ed and bc access then we truly could make abortion rare. In the meantime, keep it safe and legal.

suzy,

We’ve had sex education in our public schools for decades and look where we’re at with the abortion rate. Your safe, legal, readily available stance on abortion is the reason why the rates are so high. You accuse me of not thinking, when it is you and your party that refuse to put any thought towards this problem. 1 in 5 pregnancies are aborted. Doesn’t that scare you? It has been turned into birth control instead of a measure of last resort.

Your side fights every reasonable measure. I’m a realist. I understand there are exceptional cases. I do see birth control as a good option. I do want there to be a place for women to work through an unwanted pregnancy and get the help they need. I just don’t think that going through a drive through baby blender is the best answer for them and definitely not for the child.

Oh please. Abstinence-only is NOT comprehensive sex education.
To teach in such a manner and then be shocked by the rates of unwanted pregnancies is akin to having your head in the sand and then being surprised that someone comes along and kicks you in the butt.

“Abortion is a moral issue that can be eliminated by law just like other immoral behavior (murder, robbery, rape) are. ”

So, did I miss the news story where we eliminated burglary, rape, and homicide?

Think,

I search my soul before every vote I cast.

That your choices appear to be so black and white must be comforting for you.

I am Whole-life, as others here are, and believe in the sanctity of human life, but I do not believe in the infallibilty of human judgment, nor the jurisdiction of one human to take the life of another. Feigning the authority to take human life with the death penalty is to offend God with perhaps the most outrageous and ancient of sins: hubris.

Furthermore, to say that someone who votes for a pro-choice Democrat is somehow betraying his or her beliefs is based on the assumption that that voter believes that the political/legal arena area are the places where these issues will be resolved.

Regardless of who is elected, abortion will be here to stay. Even if abortion were completely outlawed, abortions would exist, much less the underlying social conditions that are the backdrop for all the abortions in the world.

Without addressing the underlying social conditions (poverty, misogyny, inequities in the work force, educational disparities, etc.), I believe it is a waste of time to be campaigning against only the symptoms of these ills.

Just think what could be accomplished if all the militant fervor on both sides could be redirected into prayer for resolution of these problems and action to make the world a safer, happier place for women, their children, and the people who love them.

Not sure if your screen name implies you are the only one who “thinks” or not. If so, I can assure you, you are not.

Blessings.