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11.19.2008 10:54 am

Peavy still out there, but do Cardinals have a shot?

St. Louis Post-Dispatch
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With the continued uncertainty of Chris Carpenter for next year, it appears many of you aren’t satisfied with the top of the Cardinals’ rotation, other than Adam Wainwright. Jake Peavy, former Cy Young Award winner from San Diego, has an injury history of his own but also possesses one of the top arms in the game. The Cardinals should take a look there, but the Atlanta Braves, presumed to be out of the running, now may be back in the lead for Peavy. .

We’ll know more about Carpenter in a couple of weeks but we shouldn’t assume that all will be well. Lefthanded relievers and middle infielders still are the Cardinals’ priorities as we speak. I will try to post on Thursday and then will be out of town until Sunday evening. But send your questions and I’ll get to them when I return.

Q: Commish,
In regards to acquiring another big-name starting pitcher, I am baffled every time I hear Mozeliak say that we need to wait and see how available Carpenter will be. Why is that?

If Carp ends up being available, what would it hurt to have more than one dominant starter in the rotation? Isnʼt that what builds a championship team? Letʼs have 4 or 5 dominate arms!!

If Carp isnʼt available, then we would have that strong arm to fall back on. Please let me know where Iʼm going wrong here. I’m particularly curious as to what the rationale for this line of thinking is. Thanks!

A: Ben, It would make me nervous, too, waiting to see how Carpenter is, assuming that all the news is not going to be good. Now, I do consider Wainwright a top-of-the-line starter, but another quality arm wouldn’t hurt.

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Q: What if the Cardinals offered SD Skip Schumaker, Jon Jay, Brian Barden, Jess Todd, Mark Worrell,@ one more minor league pitcher for Peavy @ Greene?? Would that not be a good trade for both teams?? Better offer than the Braves??

WHY are the Cards not talking about Brian Barden for shortstop next year?? He was on Team U.S.A. with Bryan Anderson ?? Is Tyler Greene a year away or not looked at as a starting shortstop in the majors??

Will Allen Craig, David Freese,or Skip Schumaker play second base in winter ball???

A: Bryan, I would try for Peavy and/or Greene but if Jess Todd is as good as he is said to be, that would be a tough name to include. Some of those others named (Worrell, Jay, Barden, even Schumaker) would seem to have little appeal to San Diego.

Barden is viewed as little more than a utility infielder — I can’t tell you exactly why - but that’s the thinking in the organization. Tyler Greene is at least a year away, barely having played Class AAA ball. As for the last mentioned players, I don’t think any of them is in winter ball.

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Q: Now that the Cubs have re-signed Dempster, leaving the market for Peavy pretty slim, is there a chance you think the Cards might look at him again, and that the Padres might be willing to accept less in trade since no one else seems to be interested?

A: Susan, acquiring Peavy helps on one front — a No. 1 starter — but it doesn’t do anything for the bullpen, which needs the most immediate help, and middle infield. Look for the discussions between the Padres and Braves to heat up again, with Atlanta SS Escobar at the top of the list of players San Diego would want. This then would free up SS Khalil Greene, in whom the Cardinals might have interest.

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Q: Let’s assume the Cardinals will want protection for Chris Carpenter as the No. 5 starter. Do you think they are more apt to add a free agent the caliber of Braden Looper/Randy Wolf or give the opportunity to Kyle McClellan/Mitchell Boggs? How many years and how much money do you think Looper will command?

Your hot stove questions are a welcome addition.
Larry Harnly, Springfield, Ill.

A: Larry, good to hear from you again. Wolf would be perfect as a lefthanded starter but the prevailing sentiment is that Houston will re-sign him. It might be that Looper still would be available but Lowe-Burnett have to shake out first before it gets to Looper and others like Odalis Perez. Looper is hopeful of getting three years, I assume, but the I don’t think the Cardinals want to go there. McClellan would get the nod over Boggs, probably, as a starter, if the Cardinals were comfortable with their righthanded setup situation. They have to decide on Springer, Isringhausen and whether they think Kinney can help them.
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If Cardinals fans want to watch Jake Peavy pitch next year, the solution is to get a dish and subscribe to MLB Extra Innings. Or move to Atlanta, New York, or some other more verdant venue. Truth is, Chris Carpenter is more valuable to the Cardinals with a gimpy arm than he would be if healthy. Now the boys from DeWitt can say “we have to wait and see what the deal’s gonna be with Chris,” implying that there some chance that the Cy Young-winner of 2005 will magically re-materialize next year. If they had the real flesh and blood Chris Carpenter healthy and ready to play, they’d have to admit that 2005 was a long time ago, and people change–and after a certain age, that change is not often for the better. If the Cardinals ever get another ace, it will be a fluke draft pick (the “can’t miss” variety go to those above-cited verdant venues), a lucky free-agent signing (like Carpenter himself) or a waiver-wire miracle (sorry, no example of that to point to, but we’ve done very well salvaging some servicable arms off the wire, going all the way back to Curt Simmons). Them’s the facts, and we gotta live with ‘em.

— The Old Griz
11:33 am November 19th, 2008

Yeah…if Birds’ fans want to see Peavy pitch, get MLB.TV. It’s $100 bucks and you can watch any game you want over the hohonet. Plus they’ve got condensed games, highlight reels, contests and you can do as I did and watch teams like the Rays develop over a couple of years into WS contenders.

— ExistentialHumanist
12:22 pm November 19th, 2008

The real reason we won’t get Peavy is that it requires a trade and the Cards can’t(not won’t)provide what the Padres are seeking. Look at what they asked the Braves for, a low-cost ML starting shortstop,a low-cost ML starter, a top low-minors CF prospect and at least one other prospect. The Cards don’t have the first, the 2nd would have to be Wainwright or at least Wellmayer,the third would probably have to be Jones if not Rasmus. Assuming you could get the Padres to take a low-cost ML starting OF in place of a SS, the realistic deal the Cardinals would have to make is Ludwick, Wellmayer, Kozma and another prospect for Peavy. Greene would probably cost at least another player if not more. I feel this way too much for the Cards to give up even for a great player such as Peavy. It solves none of the Cards existing problems and creates at least one more
in replacing Ludwick’s power bat. You improve the top of the pitching
rotation for sure but you still have a hole at the bottom end with less
payroll flexiblity. My guess is that when the Cards inquired about Peavy
the Padres asked for Wainwright and the Cardinals quite rightly said ” no thanks”.

— Sailor Jay
1:10 pm November 19th, 2008

I don’t why anybody would want to put so many eggs in the fragile basket that Peavy has been. That’s a big chance to take imo.

It’d be better to take a shot and giving the money to Sabathia or trying to sign another of the top free agent pitchers and insuring them. That way the Cradinals can build up the system at the same time and make proper moves when needed. There is no reason the Cardinals should trade Jess Todd. He’s got the makings of being a top arm.

But the management owes the St. Louis fans for paying for their new building and for our loyal support. Oh and for the lack of development we were promised that will soon make us look like suckers in the national media come the middle of summer.

— Crhis D.
2:44 pm November 19th, 2008

No on Peavy.
Giving away too much. What did Santana do for the Mets? What did Randy Johnson do for New York?
You don’t put all your eggs in one pitcher. (see Mulder, see Zito, see Sabathia, See Harden)

Cards (unlike the Rams), are a few good pieces away from contending.

— Eric
3:01 pm November 19th, 2008

Besides not having the major league ready starting pitching to trade, and not having the financial resources to pay Peavy, yeah, the Cardinals are right in it.

— Chris
3:26 pm November 19th, 2008

Seriously, the fans should have no suprise to the Cards upper and I mean upper management(both Detwits) care about the fans. They are a typical money hungry machine that plays with a baseball team, like we play with board games. They will never know how real Cards fans love the real American game, because they never probably grew up on the dirt fields that most did. Luhnow should be gone!!! Our pitching prospects are morbid,and our minor position playres are only good where players are a dime a dozen!!! So if I had enough money to afford season tickets, instead of supporting the Armani’s for all of the owners and the cute puppet Moz, I would maybe pick a new sport to watch. Shame on the owners for making John look like the bad guy, and shame on us for putting up with the upperclass stranglehold on a great baseball city. If they knew anything about baseball, they have had many years to build a farm system(which sucks). It is no suprise we can’t trade for anyone. Maybe and just maybe, they could listen to some of the fans concrens, before they check out their bank accounts!!!!!!!!!

— Jeremy
3:44 pm November 19th, 2008

If the Cardinals traded for Peavy that would tie up about 50mil into the starting rotation…management has already said they don’t want that much money tied up in the rotation….NO CHANCE THE CARDINALS ARE GETTING PEAVY!

— CardsfanInIL
4:02 pm November 19th, 2008

The REASON the Cardinals keep saying that we are WAITING to see what’s up with Carpenter BEFORE we look at anyone else, is because of the CHEAPNESS of owner Bill DeWitt.

Any rational person knows that you don’t sideline a whiole team while you wait to hear about one pitchers arm. YOU MAKE CONTINGENCY PLANS!

— R
4:26 pm November 19th, 2008

It doesn’t make much sense for the Cardinals to keep focusing on their farm system so much if they’re not going to use these guys. McClellan, Boggs and Todd should be the top 3 candidates for the 5th starter. We don’t need Peavy. A lot of you guys would be amazed at how much help is on the way, if only we would give them a chance.

— BNC4477
4:30 pm November 19th, 2008

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