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01.07.2009 10:35 am

Could Pujols or Wallace play second base?

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Who’s on second? Who’s the closer? What’s going on in the front office? Cardinals fans have some opinions and I have some, as well.

Q: Mr. Hummel, has there ever at any point over the last few years been any consideration of moving Albert Pujols to second base? I guess I’m not really asking if it is a possibility–I’m pretty sure the answer is a solid “it’ll never happen”–as much as I’d like to know if it was ever considered and if so what the thinking was. Personally, I don’t think it is a crazy idea. Looking at his glove work and range at first I think he could be not only adequate but above average at second. My guess is the deal breaker would be his arm, and if it really would significantly increase his chance of a serious injury I can’t argue with that. But I suspect he throws to third more than any other first baseman in the game and he’s very aggressive on cutoff throws down the line, both of which are longer than a second baseman would throw. And of course a third big question is what Albert would think about it. If he’s not interested that’s answer enough, but his entire career he has enthusiastically embraced the challenge of improving his defense wherever he plays. Any thoughts?

Lloyd Haines

A: A novel concept, but no thoughts in that direction. Pujols’ arm would be under more stress with all the snap throws a second baseman has to make and, if you’ll notice, he wasn’t throwing to the bases as much last year when he fielded bunts and the like.  The safest place for him is first base, where he quite good anyway.

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Q: Commish, I  would like to know your thoughts about some of the youngsters down on the farm. Would if seem feasible to move Brett Wallace/Allen Craig/David Freese/Bryan Anderson to second base, or to the OF? I know that we’re grooming Wallace as the heir to Glaus at third, and Anderson has value as a trade chip at catcher. But the reports on Wallace tend to make me think that while he is a strong hitter, he might suffer at the hot corner in the bigs. We have a glut of third basemen in the system for once, and any catcher is going to be blocked by Yadi. One final thought - the Red Sox have been looking high and low for a young catcher. Why haven’t we tried to trade Mr. Anderson for one of their young starting pitchers? Once again, belated congrats on the Hall of Fame induction!

Toby

A: Thanks, Toby. I talked to an official in the organization who told me he didn’t think Wallace, Freese or Craig translated to second base because of their body types, etc. Anderson hasn’t played anywhere but catcher either. Keep an eye on Joe Thurston, a solid lefthanded hitter signed from the Boston organization as some insurance at second, short or the outfield. Anderson’s trade value seems limited now because other teams really aren’t sure how good a defensive catcher he is, nor does he have much power.

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Q: Rick, the headline on the post-dispatch is Looper? Perez? Peavy?
What’s going on with Looper?  I don’t understand ownership’s reluctance to sign him right away.  Do they know how productive he was last year (blown saves and all), or how dependable?
If the owners choose to save their money on Looper, then I’m saving mine and not traveling 150 miles to Busch next year!
Regards,
Phil Brunson
A: By most accounts, Looper has been looking for a multi-year contract which the Cardinals weren’t interested in offering. At least not yet. If they had offered him arbitration, Looper would have been in the $10 million category if he had accepted. But, the longer this goes on, Looper might still be in play.
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Q: The Cardinals are in good position with a stockpile of outfielders and the second tier of starting pitchers still on the market.  I believe that La Russa stated that a pitcher that could start and close would be ideal.  Looper may be that guy since he’s done both.  The $8 million dollar question is ‘At what price?’.
LeadDog6
A: When Looper was signed here to a three-year deal, it was to be as a setup man to Isringhausen initially and then to close when Izzy was gone.  But then he was converted into a starter and that’s what Looper wants to do after being reasonably successful at it. The longer he is out there, though, he might revise his thinking although he is likely to sign elsewhere as a starter. But, yes, he fits the La Russa profile. The price? I’m betting he doesn’t get more than $8 million a year on any deal.
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Q:  I agree with John Mozeliak when he saye he should choose his words more wisely. They could also pertain to the quotes I read in your most article. It appears that Mozeliak is attempting to lower fans’ expectations for the remainder of the off-season by citing “revelations” about salary arbitrations made at his desk on Tuesday. is it true that the increase in pay for Ankiel and the others could have been anticipated before the last game of the season? Is Mo being a bit insincere?

Cheers,

Dan

A: Mo was just responding to a question about how much payroll had to be accounted for internally. The organization has anticipated these increases. He was merely trying to come up with a figure which, you must admit, isn’t insignificant. But, of course, fans  can have whatever expectations they want. That’s why baseball is the best game going. Everybody has  an opinion and usually everybody is right. If anybody was lowering expectations, it was me, because I thought people should know where some of the money is going and that there wasn’t going to be that much left.  .

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Q: I have no idea why no one is talking about Ben Sheets.  The guy can easily step in and be a #1-#2 starter.  We can probably get him for a 2-year deal and for under the going rate for a #1 arm.  Why is he flying under the radar?  The cards need to snatch him up before someone else wises up.

A: Sheets is flying under the radar because he is injury-prone.  The Cardinals, having been burned by Clement, Mulder and, perhaps Carpenter, are reluctant to dive into this pool.

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Q: Hi Mr. H, thanks for answering our questions. There seems to be a debate raging about TLR and what people see as his fear/distrust/dislike for using rookies and young players. I think Tony prefers even marginally talented veterans to using the less proven, though very talented rookies. When he uses a rookie it seems to be because he has no other options (Wainwright, McClellan) or because the player didn’t give him a choice (Albert, Ludwick after Duncan failing for the umpteenth time). LaRussa is a good manager but others sure seem a lot better at using and developing young talent at the major league level.
Your thoughts?
Thanks, Commish

Doodah

A: I think La Russa isn’t much different than most managers. I refer you to Lou Piniella and Felix Pie in Chicago, for instance. Piniella basically has given up on Pie two seasons in a row. Managers tend to use players who have a track record, but I think La Russa has been more flexible in his use of young players in recent years. McClellan and Perez were given many opportunities in crunch-time situations last year.

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Q: Hello Mr. Hummel. Am I missing something here?  There is a lot of talk going around that the reason the Cardinal ownership is being rather thrifty is that they intend to sell the Cardinals.  Is there any truth to that or am I just reading some fans’ frustration concerning ownership’s, so-called, lack of efforts to sign some ball players?  What is your take on this subject, Mr. Hummel?  Thank you!
Dave

A: Every team is sold at one point or another and this one won’t be any different. But I don’t see this happening for a while, especially with the club’s tie-in with Ballpark Village and the general state of the economy. Who has the money to buy a ball team?

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Q: I have been following Cardinals baseball since 1957 when my parents moved to Paducah, Ky. I can still remember the day that Mr Augie Busch decided not pay to keep ” Lefty ” and traded him for Rick Wise.
Is this the start of more of that ” stinkin thinkin? “
By the way, Wise didn’t last more than one season with the Cardinals.

John M

A: Actually, John, Wise won 16 games twice in his two seasons with the Cardinals and then was part of a trade that netted the club Reggie Smith. No, Wise wasn’t Carlton. But that move was made because Mr.  Busch got mad at Carlton for what, in retrospect, was an insignificant amount of money. It was not necessarily a sign of the times.

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Q: I  can not believe that we have not signed Will Ohman. In my opion, he is a better fit than Fuentes. If Ohman was a Cardinal last year, we would have
been in the postseason. What about Jon Garland? If you don’t want to re-sign
Looper, Garland or Wolf are our bet options. I personally, am very weary
of our continous salivation over players that we have no chance to sign. I
would love to see Mulder in spring training with a chance to make the team,
along with Izzy, Johnson, Freddy Garcia, etc. I feel that Mr DeWitt has
failed to live up to the promises that he made when he was lobbying for a
new stadium. Garland and Ohman would likely make us a post season favorite!

Howard

A: Garland is a 200-innings man, a good thing. Opponents hit .303 against him last year, a bad thing. As for Ohman, he has turned down a two-year deal with Atlanta and is waiting for something that hasn’t happened yet. While he would be a nice get, he doesn’t help the closer’s situation and the Cardinals seeme satisfied with the lefthanded presence they have added.

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Q: Commish, hope you are enjoying a Happy New Year. I appreciate your answering our questions.  Have you heard anything about whether (and how) Jason Isringhausen is progressing in his rehab program? Does he still want to pitch, and are any teams interested in him? I would love to see him back with an incentive contract with the Cardinals but I don’t think it is in his best interest as long as La Russa is around. His return would, however, meet a lot of needs: low cost, 1-year bridge and mentor the two heirs apparent. The last thing I want to see this year is Franklin on the mound again in the 9th inning!

Jalyn

A: We won’t be seeing Franklin in the ninth and probably not Izzy here either. He may want to continue playing, but not in a situation where he is going to be booed _ in basically his hometown _ if he doesn’t get a save his first time out.

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Q: Hi, Rick. I’d like to know what the Cardinals’ offers were to Fuentes and Miles. How much more would they have had to offer to get/keep them? I don’t blame the GM for the loss of these two; I blame ownership. Now, on to two areas where I do question Mo’s skills. How much of Kennedy’s salary would we have had to eat? I can’t believe that there isn’t some team out there that would have taken him if we agreed to assume a portion of that salary. Secondly, did anyone ask Lopez’ agent what it would take to sign him to a one-year deal?
I have been a Redbird fan since I moved here in 1967. I’ve seen some years where the team didn’t make moves that the fans would have liked to see them make. But this combination of ownership and GM scares me.
Denny

A: Denny, don’t jump off any bridges until April 6 when the season starts. There  will be a lot of veteran players getting let go this spring when teams decide they can’t afford them and there will be some bargains. To my knowledge, the Cardinals offered Fuentes $500,000 more than the Angels did, but didn’t want to to three years. Fuentes didn’t want to play here anyway. The belated offer to Miles was about $600,000 less than the Cubs gave him. As for Lopez, when the Cardinals first approached him, the one-year deal wasn’t in play for him. It became a reality later but by then the Cardinals had re-commited to Kennedy.

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Q: Wow! Baseball fans get to question a Hall of Famer and baseball legend. Even better, in this on-line forum, the answers aren’t full of endless self-promotion, bad comedy and constant gambling references. Anyway, my question is not of the Cardinals’ future (who to sign, who to trade) but of their past. I feel the outfield wall and the Plaza of Champions is incomplee without a former Redbird Hall of Famer who won the first NL MVP Award as given under the current format, who hit .312 in 11 seasons as a Cardinal out of a 19-year career,  who played in the first three All-Star Games, was a tremendous fielder and baserunner and led the NL in stolen bases three times, drove in 114 runs in 1930 and was an admired clubhouse leader. If I have read you corrrectly in the past, Commish, I think winning trumps all with you. And this man certainly did that, playing a major role on four NL pennant winners, two of which were teams that won the World Series.  And he not only won two world championships as a Cardinal but he was the player-manager, making him one of four people in team history to win a Series as both as a player and a manager (Hornsby, Southworth, Schoendienst) Of course, I am talking about the Fordham  Flash,  Frankie  Frisch. Why he is not on the outfield wall or doesn’t have a statue is a mystery to me. I know numbers are getting scarce, especially the single digits (Frisch wore  3), so his being retired is probably out of the question. I don’t mean to denigrate any great Cardinal players, but if you compare his numbers to some of those who have been honored previously, well. . .

Anyway, I know he was a favorite of your mentor, the great Mr. Broeg. Can you bang the drums for the Flash?

P.S. Anyone who managed a team with both Deans, Pepper Martin, Leo  Durocher and Joe Medwick to a World Series title as Frisch did in 1934 (maybe the most storied team in Cardinal history) deserves extra credit. Seriously.

Paul Turner

A: Thanks, Paul, for your kind words. I couldn’t agree more with your well-presented  thesis. I’ll see what I can do.

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Hey Rick,
I just want to say I am happy with the job Mo has done in the last year and a half. I think you have to be patient in this situation. Let other teams’ signings grab headlines. There are some good pitchers out there, Mo is biding his time, I feel.
The Cards remind me of the Patriots. LaRussa has built a culture of consistency, winning. Also similar to the Patriots, the Cards have a budget (cap). That’s why the Pat’s didn’t resign Branch, Samuels. If you put all of your money in a couple of players (Sabathia, Peavy, Roberts, Holiday), you are going to be really weak in other positions.

Thanks Rick, I would like to know your thoughts on the Pats analogy, and the chances of The Cards scoring Petitte for a 1-year deal.

— Eric
4:47 pm January 7th, 2009

From previous entries in the Hot Stove League it sounds like you are no too high on the prospects of Jon Garland. I see him as a Jeff Suppan type player. Lifetime opponents AVG/OBP/SLG for Suppan is .281/.341/.451. Lifetime opponents AVG/OBP/SLG for Garland is .274/.333/.436. Both have similar workhorse histories (avg 200 IP+ per year), similar stuff (pitch selection). You have been covering baseball probably as long as or longer than I have been alive and you may know better but I think this guy would be a great addition to the Cards. Besides his .303 average last year his OPP AVG usually runs between .255-.270 most years. Can you give some insight as to why he wouldn’t be a guy you give 3 years to at a lower cost? He would be worth more if not for the economy. I would think that a 3yr/$15-$18M contact would be right in line for a guy of his stature (6′6″) and pitching ability. Thank you for the great writing, I truly enjoy the reading!

— Andrew
5:23 pm January 7th, 2009

Hi Commish, I’ve been a Cards fan for 50 years. I’ve listened to them on the radio from Pennsilvania to California now in Indiana(when they were on KMOX). I’m worried about what happens if TLR leaves after 2009(not an unlikely possibility). Give me your feelings about how this plays out re. Albert, Dave Duncan, etc. Thanks for being reachable!!

— Tom Brennan
5:55 pm January 7th, 2009

Rick,

I love TLR as manager and I especially like the way he seemed to embrace the younger players last year. LaRussa and Duncan get more out of the players they are dealt than any other manager/pitching coach in baseball.

I know he generally likes to let is contract run its course and take time to think about returning (as well as seeing how the players are responding to him) after the season. But, I think it would be great for the Cardinals to have stability at the manager position by signing TLR to an extension.

Do you think there is any possibility the Cardinals might work out atleast a 1 year extension before the season to dispell the inevitable rumors that he is retiring, heading to the Reds, etc.?

— Arlan
7:01 pm January 7th, 2009

Based on a question from yesterday:
Along with Frisch, why aren’t Bottomley, Hafey, Haines, Medwick, Mize, or even Rickey, Caray, and Garagiola honored? Maybe not with a statue, on the outfield wall, or even under the video board, but something more should be mentioned than the negligible publicity they have received from the organization thus far, as they are all hall-of-famers whose primary team was the Cardinals or made significant contributions to the Cardinals at one point in their careers. And if the Cardinals are going to honor Sisler and Bell, maybe add Spink to the list as well, as he was from St. Louis, and the writer’s award is named after him after all.
And a question more related to current events:
If the Cardinals can justify giving Lohse, a #3 pitcher, 4 years at $41 million, why aren’t they offering that to other free agents who are middle-of-the-rotation types as well? I know that the market hasn’t worked itself out yet, but isn’t someone going to make the first move anyway? Why shouldn’t the Cardinals be the one? Will free-agent prices really drop that dramatically once spring training rolls around?
Thanks for this forum Commish,
David

— David
10:45 pm January 7th, 2009

Mr. Hummel,

Thanks for doing this for us so frequently. It appears impossible to satiate this town’s lust for baseball, but you do a great deal to feed our monkey.

I was wondering if you have a feel, based on the roster today, do you think LaRussa would prefer to carry two reserve infielders that can play multiple positions; or does a player like Freese, that only plays one position, have a chance to make the roster? Are the Cardinals most likely to carry 12 pitchers this year, as well? Based on the manager’s love for versatility, I would think 5 bench spots would cause him to prefer to carry LaRue, 2 OFs that can cover multiple spots (especially if Mather can play 3B & 1B), and 2 IFs that can cover at least the two MIF positions. Do you read it that way, as well?

Thanks in advance.

— etp_stl
7:05 am January 8th, 2009

Why behappy w/MO? Yes he’s done some good things, but right now he’s spilling out the same old BS lines. Yesterday on Bernies show he was interviewed and he spilled out the same crap he was saying in Oct. mainly that next fall after some more players come off the payroll then the Cards may be in a position to take on more payroll. What a bunch of BULL, this is exactly what he was saying in Oct about Mulder, Clemant etc. coming off the payroll this year. He’s a spin doctor!!!!!!!!!!
Him and Dewitt think Cards fans are dumb……….

— rich
8:12 am January 8th, 2009

Garagiola was a second string catcher, why in the world would you want to honor him????
And so what if he was from the hill? Yoga’s from the hill! Would you want to honor him, seeing as he was a Yankee and not a Cardinal, a good Yankee, but still a Yankee.

— rich
8:17 am January 8th, 2009

Mr. Commish,

I’d like to piggy back on to a few of the comments here regarding the future of TLR as manager of the Cardinals beyond the 2009 year. I feel we have the best manager in the game today, and maybe one of the best ever. His ability to get his teams to over achieve more often than not is amazing. But do you feel the relationship between TLR and ownership beginning to strain a bit? I know Tony was very strong in his remarks regarding the importance of Fuentes and Miles to the future success of the Club, yet the Front Office did nothing to honor his requests regarding these players. How do you think Tony feels about these and other snubs from Management? One of your peers has already stated that he feels Tony’s return after the 2009 season is no better than 50%. Your thoughts?

— Rich
8:21 am January 8th, 2009

Hi, Rick. I know this is a lineup question, not a hot stove question, but I would like your thoughts. More often than not over the last few years, Tony has batted Molina 7th. The 7 slot (right before the pitcher) is the batter on first most often when the pitcher attempts to sacrifice. It is almost impossible to bunt Molina to second - it seems like the majority of the time, he gets thrown out at second. I would prefer Molina batting 6th, and somebody with speed (Greene, perhaps) batting 7th. I know that batting 6th he would still be on first some with the pitcher batting and less than two outs, but a lot less. What are your thoughts?

— George M.
3:14 pm January 8th, 2009

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