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12.08.2008 8:24 pm

Mozeliak: Cardinals not courting free-agent A.J. Burnett

St. Louis Post-Dispatch
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LAS VEGAS — While pitching remains his main target as the Baseball Winter Meetings opened today at the Bellagio, St. Louis Cardinals general manager John Mozeliak shot down the idea that he was going big-game hunting, and that included any pursuit of A.J. Burnett, reported or otherwise.

“I don’t know where that started,” Mozeliak said. “We never engaged in him.”

Mozeliak met with a small group of local media this evening at the Cardinals’ suite at the Bellagio, giving us a rundown of his first day of business at the annual swapmeet and trade show. Mozeliak said he met with a “handful of agents” and a “handful of teams” and was “equally active” with both. He described the first day as a continuation of the past weeks, distilled into a few hours of talks that could lead in the coming days to deals.

He covets pitching. But with specific parameters.

The chief reason the Cardinals have not “engaged” in the derby for Burnett, as was reported in this morning’s Post-Dispatch, is the length of the contract such a pitcher would command. The Cardinals had a similar reservation when exploring a deal with San Diego for ace Jake Peavy. The Cardinals have three pitchers signed to long-term deals — Chris Carpenter, Adam Wainwright and Kyle Lohse. Mozeliak said the way the team is currently built prohibits him from adding another long-term deal to the rotation without painting the payroll into a difficult corner in the third and fourth year of that contract.

“Adding a fourth,” he said, “I don’t think that makes sense.”

The Cardinals would prefer to get a starter on a short-term, possibly two-year deal.

Mozeliak did not rule out the possibility of moving one of his outfielders because it where “we have depth.” He also said the Cardinals have virtually exhausted all avenues for dealing Adam Kennedy and that the presence of Kennedy on the roster may make it difficult to resign Felipe Lopez.

Mozeliak said the pitcher he’s after could be a starter or, if the opportunity is there, a closer.

“A lot of this is timing,” Mozeliak said of how his rotation is structured with three pitchers signed through 2011, and potentially (with options) beyond. “It’s hard to engage in us landing that type of pitcher (top-end starter). That’s not the most popular thing to hear. The way we put our club together we’re not going to be able to have four starting pitchers with long-term contracts.”

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Derrick - thanks keeping us up to date. Can you give us a gauge of other teams’ interest in Cardinal major & minor league players, such as who’s being being targeted and by whom?

— BobbyT
9:21 pm December 8th, 2008

I can see how a starter for two years could be picked up via trade, but which free agent starters are likely to accept only two years? I would target the rays for a trade of our outfielders for a young starter. i would sign free agent relievers and a closer as the closer market looks to be getting cheaper by the day.

— roger from tahoe
9:28 pm December 8th, 2008

There is no way I could give Burnett a 5 yr. contract. I think my concerns with Burnett are similar to most concerns regarding Burnett: Given his past injury history, he is just to big of a risk.

Only three times in his nine year career has Burnett thrown 200 innings. You can’t question how good his stuff is, however. When he is on top of his game, he has some of the best stuff in the bigs. Just to big of an injury risk, and I have to agree with MO here. There are too many other holes to address, and paying another starting pitcher doesn’t make sense.

— emc2013
9:28 pm December 8th, 2008

Another interesting point is that when it comes time to try and re-sign Albert Pujols, Burnetts contract could change things when the Cards try to re-sign El Hombre. Signing him just doesn’t make sense for a lot of different reasons.

— emc2013
9:32 pm December 8th, 2008

It sounds to me like Mr Mozeliak is assuming he’ll get 200 innings per year from Carp from now on huh? Silly me I thought they would assume like I did that Carp really wouldn’t be the guy they had hoped for when they gave him his current deal. Maybe I’m just worriing too much about the fact he’s only thrown 21.1 innings the last 2 years but it seems foolish to count Carpenter as a reliable part of your rotation now or going forward. My point being they dont really have 3 pitchers signed to long term deals. They have 2 pitchers and Chris Carpenter. A third Quality Pitcher would be nice in my book.

— matt
9:46 pm December 8th, 2008

Matt - from what I read I don’t think Mo is making it sound like he is going to get 200 innings from Carp. I think he is simply stating that he already has three SPs locked up to long term deals. Which he does. He’s not saying that they are all going to be productive and pitch 200 innings. He’s not saying they will all win 12-15 games next year. He’s simply saying that he has three starting pitchers locked up to long term deals already, and it wouldn’t be wise for the team to lock up a 4th. Especially (like someone already mentioned) with the re-signing of Pujols. And, to be honest with you, I don’t think the Cardinals main priority should be to land a #1 guy in the rotation. I think we already have that in Wainwright. I think we need bullpen help more than anything else and a backend rotation type of SP (maybe a #3 or #4 guy in the rotation) that will give the team a chance to win and eat some innings.

— JTime
10:28 pm December 8th, 2008

I am a die hard Cardinal fan. Check stats all year long, read Post dispatch every day but…..i am tired of the Cardinals penny pinching!!
A hot dog is $5.00, soda $5.00, water $3.00, pretzel $4.00!!!!!! DeWitt and friends are making millions and the product is increasing in value every year.
You don’t buy a sports franchise to produce millions yearly for your already filthy rich family. It is an assett that increases in value each year. What did they pay to buy The Cards and what is it worth now?
Cut the fans a break. Lower the prices at stadium or take ‘OUR’ hard earned money and field a winner and QUIT COMPLAINING ABOUT YOUR PAYROLL.

— Charles Ellis
10:35 pm December 8th, 2008

I am a die hard Cardinal fan. Check stats all year long, read Post dispatch every day but…..i am tired of the Cardinals penny pinching!!
A hot dog is $5.00, soda $5.00, water $3.00, pretzel $4.00!!!!!! DeWitt and friends are making millions and the product is increasing in value every year.
You don’t buy a sports franchise to produce millions yearly for your already filthy rich family. It is an assett that increases in value each year. What did they pay to buy The Cards and what is it worth now?
Cut the fans a break. Lower the prices at stadium or take ’OUR’ hard earned money and field a winner and QUIT COMPLAINING ABOUT YOUR PAYROLL.

— Charles Ellis
10:36 pm December 8th, 2008

I would NOT give A.J.Burnett 5 years eather. I WOULD take on Peavys contract. GREAT PITCHING wins SEE BRAVES of 90s !!!! WHY is MO talking about getting Peavy would be PAINTING the PAYROLL into a DIFFICULT CORNER 3-4 years of that contract. Does MO not know we lose Kennedy 4 milloin,K.GREENE 6.5 milloin,Glaus 11 million,Ankiel 9 million,Franklin ??million NEXT year. 2010 starting line up infield Molina,Pujols,Miles,TYLER GREENE,David Freese,Ludwick,Rasmus,Barton/Mathers. We NEED PITCHING!!!!!!!! To win with that.

— Bryan Cathey
10:57 pm December 8th, 2008

I’m sick and tired of the whining like in the post from Charles Ellis. Get real people. The payroll is what it is and the team has to operate a certain way. To say “spend more” is just foolish whining. Please stop

— dn3524
11:01 pm December 8th, 2008

I think they could be fine w/ 1 more serviceable starter & another Left Hander. Go into the season w/ closer-by-committee & have Miles and Greene up the middle. We’re in good shape!

— Chris Hosto
11:17 pm December 8th, 2008

After building the new ballpark, did the Cardinal front office not say that they now had money to spend but the free agent market was not a strong one so they would not spend the money to just spend it, instead they would put it aside for the following year when better free agents would become available. Isn’t it about time they follow through on that promise and get us some players. How can the Cubs spend, spend, spend and still have enough to take on a Jake Peavey. It’s getting old.

— Cards65
11:53 pm December 8th, 2008

Burnett would be a huge, huge mistake. A guy with a bad injury history wanting five years? Yikes.

There’s plenty of good, solid starters out there in the free agent market who could be had on, at most, a 3-year deal–Garland, Byrd, Penny, Perez, the other Perez, to name a few. The rotation needs some stability that pushes Pinero to the fifth spot, allows them not to count on Carpenter, and let the prospects develop further/get healthy, and it should allow them enough salary space to lock up at least one more reliever. Apparently, that’s what’s Mozeliak is looking for, and that’s good for the Cardinals.

— Forsch31
12:13 am December 9th, 2008

Some of you people are just dumb.

Does it register in your brains that extending guys like Lohse, Wainwright, Molina, and down the road - Ludwick/Ankiel, and oh yeah a certain MVP, is not free? A couple years ago, people were freaking out in this city when the Cardinals “missed out” on Jason Schmidt. Same thing for about a decade ago when Mike Hampton signed with the Rockies. Is it really better to fall into the grass-is-always-greener trap of signing players from elsewhere? Or, is it better to smartly spend and develop guys, and then when prospects become all-stars spend money on your people instead of looking elsewhere for a more expensive, often risky alternative? You tell me - right now: Schmidt and Hampton or Wainwright and Lohse? It seems obvious to me.

Oh and soda, beer and food are expensive everywhere. Even the Royals who’s payroll is about half of the Cardinals sell beer for 7 bucks - get over it. If you want cheap food go to Arby’s and stay away from Busch, I don’t think our city will have any problem filling your empty seat.

— bluecard
1:31 am December 9th, 2008

Bluecard- I couldn’t have said it any better.

— Cardsballhawk
6:42 am December 9th, 2008

When you start to think about the Cards getting Bennett, think Carpenter. Maybe good for a year or two if you are lucky. People are just getting too hung up on getting a top of the line pitcher for four or five years. Look around and see how many of those guys come through for that kind of money. Zito? Schmidt? Pavano? etc, etc, etc.

— David
7:51 am December 9th, 2008

Cards65, you do realize that the Chicago Tribune, owners of the “Great” Chicago Cubs, just filed for bankruptcy protection, right? They don’t sound like the example to follow now, do they?

This attitude that the Cardinals should simply spend with abandon is childish. It sounds like a bunch of 2 years olds. I WANT IT, I WANT IT, I WANT IT!!!!! If you want the Cardinals to continue to be an home-town team, and if you want them to be a consistently competitive team, then the DeWitt and Mozeliak approach is the correct one to take.

Just a little history lesson. The Cardinals became the dominant NL franchise when Branch Rickey devised that it was only possible for his team to compete with the big-market teams by developing and signing home-grown talent. (BTW, one of those close to Rickey at the time happened to be Bill DeWitt, Jr; so maybe his kid knows something about this approach.) Rickey then took the same approach to Brooklyn to make the Dodgers the premier NL franchise during his era.

Granted, free agency has changed the game some; but ultimately the economic environment in baseball today is very similar to what Rickey was dealing with. The big-market teams had the ability to buy up the premier talent in the country, and the other teams were left with the scraps.

The Cardinals fan base has been reduced over the last few decades with the addition of teams like the Atlanta Braves, the Kansas City Royals, and the Colorado Rockies (these all used to be hotbeds for the Cardinals). The era of radio has past, and the city of St. Louis has been in a steady decline since the introduction television broadcasts. They are NOT a big-market team. They are only considered a mid-market team because of the traditional fan base. Even in a $Billion industry, it is necessary to be fiscally responsible; and, despite all of the money that the Cardinals make, they do not have an unlimited budget.

— etp_stl
8:34 am December 9th, 2008