Web Search powered by YAHOO! SEARCH
02.02.2009 5:06 pm

U.S. bids for 2018, 2022 World Cups; no expansion news; Athletica notes

St. Louis Post-Dispatch
  • Email this
  • Print this

U.S. Soccer officially announced that it is bidding for the 2018 and 2022 World Cups on Monday. One of them is very likely to go to Europe, the other somewhere else — America, Mexico, Australia or Asia. Right now, the Americans have told FIFA they’re bidding. The specifics will come later.

So if you’re wondering about venues for matches, it’s way too early for that. If America were to host in 2018, sites might not be determined until 2015. The stadium situation is one in flux and there are stadiums that don’t exist yet that could well be sites, especially if the World Cup is here in 2022.

Where does St. Louis stand? Stadiums need to seat a minimum of 40,000 people, so you’re looking at NFL and college football stadiums. (And US Soccer president Sunil Gulati said that the bigger stadium the better, so if you’re under 60,000, you may be on the outs.) None of MLS’ soccer-specific stadiums would be big enough. In St. Louis, the one venue would be the Edward Jones Dome, though who knows if the Rams will have a new stadium by then. And who knows what FIFA rules on artificial turf, or the logistics on putting grass inside a dome, will be by then.

As to whether or not MLS cities would get preference over non-MLS cities, MLS Commissioner Don Garber, who is on the executive board of the bid committee, said it was too soon to say, but that by 2018, MLS would likely be in every major city that has a big stadium, so the question may well be moot. “It’s still so far away that by the time the World Cup is played, I would expect conceivably more cities would have MLS teams. Most do or will soon will, so I”m not sure that’s relevant,” he said.

Gulati said they would try to spread the games around, using as many as 13 or 14 venues. In 1994, the venues were the Rose Bowl in Pasadena, Stanford Stadium in Northern California, the Cotton Bowl in Dallas, Soldier Field in Chicago, the Pontiac (Mich) Silverdome, Giants Stadium in New York, the Citrus Bowl in Orlando, Fla.; RFK Stadium in Washington, and Foxboro Stadium outside Boston. Stanford Stadium has been downsized and isn’t big enough anymore, and I’d expect the Silverdome is out of the running. There will be a new Giants Stadium in New York, and there’s a new stadium in Foxboro. FedEx Field outside Washington would be better than RFK. Soldier Field has been rehabbed, and the Rose Bowl provides a giant venue, even if it’s getting old. Sub the new Cowboys stadium for the Cotton Bowl in Dallas.

I would think other strong candidates would be the NFL Cardinals’ stadium outside Phoenix, the Seahawks’ stadium in Seattle and Lincoln Financial Field in Philadelphia. And they might consider the Dolphins’ stadium in Miami rather than Orlando.

But that’s all guesswork. More relevant in the short term is how the American bid stacks up against the other competitors: England, Russia, Spain/Portugal and Netherlands/Belgium in Europe (though FIFA may rule out the joint bids), Japan, Indonesia and Qatar in Asia and Australia, Mexico and the United States. Europe can get only one of the World Cups.

Final bids are due in May of 2010. The winner will be chosen seven months later.

xxxxx

Nothing much on the expansion front. There was a Spanish language report over the weekend that Miami was a done deal, but the team’s potential owner denied it. One Miami paper said an expansion announcement could come in mid-February. Another said before the start of the MLS season in March. March to me seems more likely since there are some stadium votes still to be held, though I guess they don’t have to announce both cities at the same time. Garber went to Ottawa and liked it, though they’ve got to get a stadium plan together.

xxxxx

Look for Athletica’s full schedule to come out later this week. It’s possible their opening game, which is the same day as the NCAA Women’s Final Four semifinals in St. Louis, could be moved to a time when there’s less competition for local eyeballs.

xxxx

No one got in to the Soccer Hall of Fame on the veterans or builders voting. Bruce Arena came up two votes shy of the 50 percent needed. I’m not a voter in these two categories, but its pretty ridiculous if the most successful American coach ever doesn’t get in. He’s certainly offended people along the way, but geez, he’s taken the U.S. to the quarterfinals of the World Cup, he’s won MLS and NCAA championships. I’m pretty sure he’s not just really lucky. He got one more vote than Bob Gansler, who admittedly may have done the greatest coaching job ever in getting America to the 1990 World Cup in Italy. Kyle Rote Jr. was three votes shy of getting in on the veterans ballot.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Who are these voters? Joy Fawcett barely gets in, and on the third try? What are these people thinking?

xxxx

Jack Jewsbury didn’t make the roster for the U.S.-Sweden friendly, but he got called back in for the rest of the pre-Mexico camp. It would be an even longer longshot if he was on the roster for the U.S.-Mexico match on Feb. 11 once the team’s Europeans get called back in.

Several members of Athletica are in Spain right now with the women’s U-23 team: Stephanie LogtermanKia McNeil and Amanda Cinalli. Meanwhile, four other Athletica players, Lori Chalupny, Hope Solo, Angie Woznuk and Tina Ellertson are in camp with the full national team in Carson, Calif.

6 comments

Comments are closed.

Great stuff, thanks. Wouldn’t it be wonderful to have a regular soccer column in the P-D?

On the STL MLS expansion front, does the problem with Cooper’s bid have anything to do with his status as majority investor? Would MLS not be happy with a billionaire as a minority investor? Any insight is appreciated.

— USA_soccer
5:15 pm February 2nd, 2009

MLS would love to have a billionaire as a minority or majority investor, and I get the impression Cooper would step aside and let someone be the majority owner it that’s what was necessary. They just want some richer people involved.
My suggestion: The government is looking for shovel-ready projects to spend stimulus money on. Cooper has a shovel-ready project in Collinsville. All he needs is MLS to give him a team. How to make it happen: The government becomes an investor in the team. The feds chip in $25 million, St. Louis gets an expansion team, and the construction begins. Jobs follow. It’s a great deal for everyone.

— Tom Timmermann
7:04 pm February 2nd, 2009

Thanks for keeping us updated on Athletica. Outside of the draft, there has been little news.

I like your idea on the government lending a hand, but it makes too much sense to ever happen. The other problem is that every other American city seeking a team (Miami and Portland) would want their cut, too. Portland could certainly use the money for their stadium renovation.

On the Hall of Fame, Tom, is it that the voters don’t think anyone belongs in or is there just major disagreement over who belongs and nobody can get a majority? I know you touched on that subject in an earlier blog, but are there some people in the room that just thinks nobody belongs?

— k c
1:26 am February 3rd, 2009

I suspect on the Hall of Fame front that some people have impossible standards. I don’t think it’s a case where the number of people you can vote for is limited and the votes get spread out. On the regular ballot, we can vote for up to 10 people, and I’m prety sure there would be a similar policy on the builders and veterans side. So it’s not as if voters have to choose between voting for Bruce Arena and Bob Gansler.
The Hall has said it will look at its voting policies again this year. Last year, no players got in, and they changed the voting threshold. It’s already at 50 percent for veterans and builders and I think it would be wrong to take that number any lower. So all that’s left is to change the people who vote. But if you did that on the veterans front, there aren’t many current soccer writers who saw those guys play. Having seen Kyle Rote Jr. play when I was 6 barely qualifies me to judge his worthiness for the Hall. So I don’t know how you balance that out.

As for Athletica, I don’t know why they haven’t announced the players. Other teams have. They have just hired a full-time PR guy, so maybe that will speed things up since there’s someone to actually send out the information.

— Tom Timmermann
11:18 am February 3rd, 2009

Tom, will you be in Columbus covering the USA-MEX match this week?

— USA_soccer
4:59 pm February 9th, 2009

No, I’m not going to Columbus. I’ve got SLU basketball to cover on Wednesday night and it’s a tough sell with it being the first game of qualifying. (Namely, a win or loss doesn’t have that serious an impact.) I’d hope to be back out there on the back half of qualifying, but nowadays, you never can tell. I was talking to a soccer-writing friend at the draft who wasn’t sure if he’d been in Columbus for the game, and all he does is write about soccer.

— Tom Timmermann
9:57 am February 10th, 2009