Amazed,

Hmm. I missed those comments, and yes, I would have found them offensive. I don’t like opportunists or those who delight in, or profit from, the misery of others.

Still, I think it’s more useful to debate people like Garrison than insult them. I truly believe that protecting the rights of gun owners is the morally correct choice, and that society benefits from responsible gun ownership. While we may not be able to convince people like Garrison to become NRA members, we can at least show that reasonable, well intentioned people hold pro-gun rights positions.

The first steps to building bridges is to foster understanding, and that requires more than insults – from either side.

You can try to reason with Garrison and talk sense with him. I highly doubt you will get anywhere and you will soon realize the effort is futile.

Anonaman…
When Looney states how despicable it is to use tragic situations to support an opinion,
keep in mind he likes to mention Mary Jo Kapeckny at least 3 times a month.

Another typical lie from your mouth/keyboard Garrison. You ever figure out the name of that drug that costs $1600 a month that is being denied by your mother’s insurance? Or are you ready to admit that was a lowdown typical lie that you pulled out of your ass?

Garrison #48…. No, we aren’t talking about necessities. We are talking about rights and the irresistable urge some have to force free citizens to conform to their own notions. Prior restraint is not a workable notion in a free society. Punish the guilty and respect the rights of the innocent. Simple concept. Read about it in the Constitution.

Anonaman,

I use your posts vs some other’s to illustrate my point in (40), “This knee jerk reaction by the nra and it’s sympathizers forces even those of us who are really quite moderate on the issue into the opposing camp.” Guns in the hands of individuals such as yourself (seemingly balanced, rational, sane) are not nearly as worrisome as a gun in the hands of someone who wouldn’t piss on you if you were on fire. Yes, the loonies on both sides inhibit meaningful legislation in this area. I am a gun owner (7 including 1 handgun) and I have no problem with private ownership of firearms even though I do not believe it is a constituional right (another topic). But there are some who should not be allowed to own a gun and there are some guns which no individual should be allowed to own. Drawing these lines is of course the place of contention but with both sides refusing to agree there is a middle ground we get nowhere.

Bb…As a “free citizen” (whatever that is) I must obey the traffic laws including speed limits.
Why do I have to conform to the irresistable urge some have to force me to conform to their notions? I’ve never had an automobile accident in my life. Just because yahoos like you can’t drive, I have to pay the consequences…..If I drive 120 mph on Lindberg and kill a member of your family, you’ll want to pass speed limit laws so others aren’t victims.

Oh, wait…that’s what we do in a collective society. When yahoos with guns shoot one million Americans on our streets since 1968, I don’t want to be the next victim…..

Starting to make sense yet? Cut with the “free citizen” crap.

Garrison, I’m sure you can’t see the flaws in your analogy because of your conviction that you know best. Gun owners who misuse firearms (120mph) are rightly subject to the legitimate laws that apply. My position has always been that anyone using a firearm to threaten or harm others should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. As with any laws exeptions would be made for self defense or justifiable use in defense of other potential victims.

Not everyone driving a car is a reckless maniac. Not everyone owning a firearm is a reckless maniac. The percentages may even be similar. The flaw in your reasoning is that you aren’t proposing speed limits (which already exist for gun ownership). You are suggesting banning automobiles for all since some may be reckless drivers.

Before you come back with the assault weapon or handgun garbage, please consider this. Racecars shouldn’t be driven on city streets, but does that mean they should be banned from racetracks as well?

You consider the term “free citizen” crap when discussing the second amendment, but you don’t hesitate to exercise your first amendment rights as a free citizen. No, Garrison, you absolutely are not “starting to make sense yet.” Nor will you ever as long as you are trying to impose your personal beliefs and dictate persecution of innocent gun owners.

Garrison wants the government version of the “easy button” so that Garrison can sit “its” fat ass and do nothing but try and take Constitutional rights away from citizens while collecting a paycheck of government cheese.

Is that your idea of utopia Garrison? - Free stuff for everyone, paid for by rich business owners and large corporations? Sounds like you are a person of discipline and vision LOL

However, that plan doesn’t seem to be working very well for for your hero in Venezuela right now. Inflation has crippled the Venezuelan economy since Chavez became dictator and it’s only going to get worse. Yes, his population gets cheap gas, but that doesn’t do any good when bread costs $7 per loaf and milk is $10 a gallon and so on.

On another note, I can’t wait for debates between the empty suit Obama and McCain. All of the elequence and public speaking skills in the world won’t help Obama with his empty promises and the “nothingness” of his liberal idealism. I love the political process!!!! It eventually weeds out empty suits like Obama by exposing him for what he is…. a great public speaker with no ideas or solutions.

Uh Lunar, if you want to take underhanded swipes at me, go ahead. But could you at least do it correctly. I never said “piss.”

When someone immediately and automatically uses a tragic situation the way Garrison did with regards to Virginia Tech and Kirkwood to “rub it in the face” of law abiding gun owners everywhere, it evokes a personal response in me.

My sister in law attends Virginia Tech. She spends a great deal of time in the building adjacent to Norris Hall where the bulk of the killing took place. Fortunately, she wasn’t harmed. However, the incident was minutes old and no one had heard from her. And here our good friend Garrison was already making it known how “idiotic redneck gun owners” were to blame.

After reflecting on my post in #59……….I still wouldn’t pee on Garrison if he were on fire.