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02.14.2008 5:29 pm

More guns will not solve the problem of violence

St. Louis Post-Dispatch
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That someone would contend that the answer to gun violence such as the recent tragedy at Kirkwood City Hall is more guns rather than less is as predictable as that night will follow day. But, let’s take a closer look at the situation. On that fateful evening there were three individuals who were armed and approximately 35 who were not. All three of the men carrying weapons are dead as are three who were unarmed. The first person to die that night was an experienced, highly trained police officer. As it turns out, the only way he could have survived would have been for him to shoot Mr. Thornton, without provocation, as he approached! Mr. Thornton then took that officer’s gun, so, now he had two guns as he entered the Council Chambers! Once inside, he again targeted the armed police officer. Had the approximately 35 individuals then pulled their guns and begun firing, someone might have disabled Mr. Thornton before he could have killed all of the three other victims, but, how many innocent people would have been killed or wounded in the hail of bullets from the guns of 35 basically untrained and unskilled shooters? Has this country sunken to the level where everyone must carry a gun for personal protection? If so, how long will it be before disputes are again settled at the OK Corral? Since the letter writer seems to think that taking away the concealed-carry permit is sufficient punishment for those who use their guns illegally, I certainly hope that Mr. Thornton’s permit has been rescinded!

William Klopfenstein
Edwardsville

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Fish……Thanks for the valaintry. I bet you’re a real Dirty Harry…. But if you’re on the streets of St. Louis carrying concealed weapons, I’ll rather be in Peoria.
I don’t spit on people. You have me confused with Looney. He calims he pisses on people if they’re on fire….except me.

— Garrison
9:42 am February 15th, 2008

Garrison, No I’m not happy. Innocent people died in a state and city that has some of the most restrictive gun laws. The campus is a gun free zone. Those signs and laws should have stopped him. But they didn’t even Chicago’s oppressive gun laws didn’t stop him. He was going to kill by hook or by crook. If he wasn’t able to secure a firearm to do it, knifes or explosives could have been used. Stop oppressing the friendly folks that are trying to protect you.

— eagle scout
9:44 am February 15th, 2008

I wonder how many people Mr. Thornton would have killed with a knife Monday night?

— Garrison
9:54 am February 15th, 2008

He would have atempted a few.

— eagle scout
9:59 am February 15th, 2008

At least two. He snuck up on the first cop and hid his weapon behind a sign to kill the second. They never had a chance. Thornton was a big guy and in a murderous rage. He could have stabbed any number of people before being taken down.

Any more smarmy questions?

— Go_Fish
10:04 am February 15th, 2008

At least two. He snuck up on the first cop and hid his weapon behind a sign to kill the second. They never had a chance. Thornton was a big man and in a murderous rage. He could have stabbed any number of people before being taken down.

Any more smarmy questions?

— Go_Fish
10:04 am February 15th, 2008

Knife wounds aren’t nearly as fatal as a gunshot wounds to the head. I doubt if two would have been killed Monday night…
I don’t ever remember reading a headline:
“Knife Weilding Man kills Many In Public Locale” ..

Even if two would have been stabbed and killed, that’s not much comfort to the other three families who buried their loved ones this week.

You’ve demonstrated how deranged your arguments can be.

— Garrison
10:17 am February 15th, 2008

Hint for eagle scout: NIU isn’t in Chicago, it’s in DeKalb, closer to Rockford than Chicago. But yet, to many (including Governor Baloneyvich, Illinois consists of the area roughly bounded by I-80 to the south and I-37 to the west. The rest is something alien.

When are we going to stop yammering about more guns, fewer guns, and start asking the really hard questions? The ones that require us to really think about what we’re saying to and about each other?

Here’s the question that I want to ask: What are some practical, acceptable ways to keep firearms out of the hands of those who have murder in their plans? Don’t spout off about ‘more enforcement’. How exactly can it be done? Here’s what I see: there are many who scream for ‘more enforcement of the laws’, and yet scream just as loudly whenever a creative attempt is made to actually DO something. I seem to recall a while back when someone put an offer on the table for a cash payment for every firearm that would be brought to a specific location, no questions asked, and then the weapons were destroyed. The screaming about ‘destruction of valuable artifacts’ was horrendous.

As long as firearms are easy and relatively cheap to obtain either legally or illegally, then there will continue to be crazies who arm themselves and use them to make a name for themselves or take out their perceived enemies. Either we accept that as the price for freedom, or we actually work to find a creative and workable answer.

— hs
10:21 am February 15th, 2008

My point was that most gun retailers shy away from that entire area due to the strict laws.

— eagle scout
10:46 am February 15th, 2008

#17 Who’s deranged? Unless you’ve figured out how to uninvent gunpowder, you’ve fallen over the utopian edge. Your idea is to destroy all firearms (that are surrendered or confiscated). That covers the millions of firearms that are now open and legal. Now what magic have you devised to disarm the deranged, criminal, and terrorist elements?

We await your illuminating wisdom, Garrison.

— Bb
10:48 am February 15th, 2008

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