More guns will not solve the problem of violence
That someone would contend that the answer to gun violence such as the recent tragedy at Kirkwood City Hall is more guns rather than less is as predictable as that night will follow day. But, let’s take a closer look at the situation. On that fateful evening there were three individuals who were armed and approximately 35 who were not. All three of the men carrying weapons are dead as are three who were unarmed. The first person to die that night was an experienced, highly trained police officer. As it turns out, the only way he could have survived would have been for him to shoot Mr. Thornton, without provocation, as he approached! Mr. Thornton then took that officer’s gun, so, now he had two guns as he entered the Council Chambers! Once inside, he again targeted the armed police officer. Had the approximately 35 individuals then pulled their guns and begun firing, someone might have disabled Mr. Thornton before he could have killed all of the three other victims, but, how many innocent people would have been killed or wounded in the hail of bullets from the guns of 35 basically untrained and unskilled shooters? Has this country sunken to the level where everyone must carry a gun for personal protection? If so, how long will it be before disputes are again settled at the OK Corral? Since the letter writer seems to think that taking away the concealed-carry permit is sufficient punishment for those who use their guns illegally, I certainly hope that Mr. Thornton’s permit has been rescinded!
William Klopfenstein
Edwardsville


The “no questions policy” was some what comical. If I remember correctly they offered 50 dollars for long guns and 75 or 100 for hand guns, this price way off for the true market for these firearms. At local gun show a beat up gun can cost several hundred dollars. The real outcry came from people who had firearms stolen from them. This allowed stolen firearms returned for cash. This is something they prosecute pawn shops for. The destruction of the firearms was to be done before the serial number could be traced, and the group running the project had no intention of reimbursing the victim of theft. This is where the question of legality came into play.
The discussion on Cookie’s chances with a knife is ridiculous beceause I’m sure he was smart enough to know that he would only get a couple stabs before several people would pounce on him.
Guns are so much more effective. Especially when someone attempts to throw a chair at you.
If the police were not seconds away but instead minutes…I wonder how many more would have died? 10? 20? all 30 assuming there was enough ammo (I’m not sure how many shots he had)?
But with 10-20-30 people shot within a minute or two… Now we got a real massacre on our hands. That makes the 5 victims killed look so small.
If only there was the random person in the audience with a concealed firearm and those classes and those practice shots at a shooting range.
Or for the liberals…the lesson of the story is hold every meeting next to a police station so that only about 5 people get killed before the police can run and stop the rampage.
Here is a list of places where I will not see Go_Fish: Busch Stadium for a Cardinals game, Scottrade Center for a Blues game or any other event, the library, any government building (like Kirkwood City Hall), the local casino, my kid’s school, any place in the state of Illinois. Gee, I’m starting to feel safer already.
One day I was walking to work in the Central West End. I was running late and walking very fast. Ahead of me was a guy who was walking at a slower pace than I was. As I approached and was about to pass the guy he turns and points a gun at me. My first thought is this guy is going to rob me at gun point! As I stood there terrified the guy said, “Oh.” This guy proceeds to turn and walk away. He thought I was going to rob him. He could have shot me there and in his mind felt justified. At that moment in time that guy was as dangerous as someone with a gun trying to rob me. Stunned, I quickly ran the last half block to work. (A place where I was robbed at gunpoint previously).
As I told my story to one of the police officers who patrols the area, he tells me that the guy actually committed a crime by pulling his weapon on me even though he thought I was going to rob him. My boss, who is never without a gun chimes in, “Good thing I didn’t see that, I would have shot the guy!”
Then there was this nut that was on his way to a gun range who decided it was a good idea for him to point his gun at me after he cuts me off on Kingshighway and didn’t like the fact that I had the nerve to call him an idiot. I followed him to the gun range and then called the cops.
My point is that concealed weapons do not add to the overall safety of the general public. I think that some that carry concealed weapons are looking for an opportunity to make use of them.
Its seems like there is 2 or 3 killing spees a week, what the hell is going on?Only one thing is clear there is no shortage of deadly fire-arms for these nut -jobs to choose from.
You’re right Buddy. You won’t see me at the sports venues. That’s because I don’t like professional sports. However, you will see me most everywhere else. And yes, I will protect you and garrison, even if you don’t want me to.
“First they came for the second amendment.
But I said nothing because I wasn’t a gun owner.
Then they came for the fourth amendment.
But I didn’t object because I wasn’t a drug dealer.
Then they came for the sixth amendment.
But I kept quiet because I wasn’t guilty.
Then they came for the eighth amendment,
But I was silent because I never thought I’d be sent to jail.
Finally they came for the first amendment.
And by then it was too late to say anything at all.”
For all those who are so against our Right to own a firearm as per the Constitution of the United States of America, you need to really re-read the above.
You can go to the range til hell freezes over, once that target starts shooting back your cool, calm self WILL disappear and you’ll be lucky to hit the ground in three shots…that’s why they invented the machine gun, so you might actually hit SOMETHING.
Slamfist, so what you are saying is that your defensive driving skills go out the window when you see danger on the road?
#23… Buddy. For each anecdote you present, I can present an opposite. I won’t repeat the story I related last week wherein my daughter used a firearm to repel an intruder without actually having to fire a shot. The person who brandished his firearm at you should be prosecuted and lose his CCW permit, if indeed, he actually had one.
However, the statistics in states that have passed CCW show the opposite of your claim. Violent crime and armed assaults have actually gone down where CCW went into effect. Due to the vetting and training you are much safer encountering a legally armed permit holder than an illegally armed criminal.
Guns are inanimate objects. Guns can not be uninvented. Millions of firearms in the U.S. were not used in a crime or careless accident today. Millions of honest gun owners threatened or harmed no one today. No firearm loaded itself and discharged itself today. Focusing on the method will not prevent the act.
…..and when the day comes that You the responsible gun owner snaps were are we to hide? and what will your excuse be then…….