Your last line shows your ignorance.

“I don’t need facts, I saw it on TV.”

“So, I ask this question of the vast majority of posters on this subject, who have seen fit to rip Mr. Day’s head off for voicing his opinion: Are you capable of having a rational conversation on this subject? ”

Yes.

“Can you suggest a solution to the serious problem of crazies going into public places and shooting up the joint other than to have more armed citizens on hand to deal with it when it happens?”

Turn all massacre zones into something resembling maximum security prisons. Large walls, razor wire, few secured entry points. You got a plan?

“Can you propose any workable process to disarm the crazies, the children, and the gangsters that you would find acceptable?”

Nope, not yet.

“Do you have any suggestions on dealing with the black market in firearms?”

Long jail terms.

“I’d suggest REAL background checks for legitimate firearm purchases, with a waiting period long enough to work AND permanent record keeping.”

Now a background check is done by the FBI using NCIC, are you saying they arent good enough? How long of a waiting period do you want, and more importantly, can we have an emergency waiver for it? IE, person applies for a TRO from abusive spouse but still thinks they will be victim of violent crime, I think there should be an emergency waiver so this person can defend themselves.

“I’d suggest serious enforcement of laws regarding illegal sales and targeting of known firearm black marketers.”

Deal.

“I’d suggest that if a minor uses a firearm to harm another person, the OWNER of the firearm is legally liable for making it possible.”

Maybe, but you have to have a “stolen gun” clause, and define minor.

“If you don’t have a trigger guard or a gun safe and use it, and your gun is used in a crime, you’re liable.”

Keeping a trigger lock on or a weapon kept in a safe may render them useless and unavailable for use in home/personnel defense. I will give you without argument, that any weapon that is not for immediate use should be stored properly (locked up)

Are we getting anywhere?

Hs, I honestly have trouble having “rational” discussions on this matter because I find most opposing views to be irrational.

Take the Kirkwood case…..If you could snap your fingers and make all private ownership of firearms disappear, the results of that night would not have been any different. The killer could have just as easily whacked the officer in the head with a bat, brick, or machete. He STILL becomes armed with the officer’s weaponand proceeds to kill.

An adult can and often is charged for failing to secure a weapon after that weapon is used to do harm. I think it is up to the local prosecution to determine charges.

What exactly is a REAL background check or a longer waiting period going to do? Delay a killing? If someone is suicidal/homicidal, there isn’t much that will stop them other than a more powerful force.

Dealing illegally in firearms is a major no-no. Big time felony. There are countless laws in effect now for those caught with illegal firearms. Do you want them to be more punitive? Be my guest. You have my support.

Si Vis:

A minor: that one’s simple: How about under the age of 18, unless legally emancipated? Stolen property? You’d have a chance to prove it was stolen in court. If you leave a loaded weapon in your car or on your desk and someone swipes it, then you failed to secure it properly when you weren’t around. Sounds like you’re the one who screwed up…”attractive nuisance” is the legal term, I believe.

An example on how toothless the various laws are: The NIU shooter had actually spent time in a mental institution. When he filled out his FOID card application, he checked “no” on the box referring to inpatient mental heath care. Apparently, no one has either time, energy, funds, or willingness to verify that kind of data.

I guess my feeling on waiting periods is like this: I would suggest it would be a minor inconvenience to the vast majority of purchasers. If one could swear out an affidavit that one was in obvious danger (the domestic violence victim….rare), then exceptions could be granted. It might prevent someone who was intent on a rampage from carrying out his action. There are plenty of laws on the books that create inconveniences to most of us in the name of a higher good. It’s inconvenient for me to obey certain traffic laws (I live on a one-way street), but I see the greater good: it’s a good idea for traffic to move in a clearly understood manner.)

You guys are really funny…..Bb and Sub Par, do you work?
I listed this before…see if you know what it means: 01B40–NCO. SSE-6, 1973-74.

In 2006, there were less cancer deaths among non-smokers under the age of 50 than homicides by gunshots in the same age group….

Garrison,

I reviewed the mortality statistics from the CDC, and the your statement about more gunshot homicides than cancer deaths for under 50 is wrong. Could you provide a link to the data you are citing?

If you have found a nice source for statistics, I would like to check it out.

“Stolen property? You’d have a chance to prove it was stolen in court. If you leave a loaded weapon in your car or on your desk and someone swipes it, then you failed to secure it properly when you weren’t around. Sounds like you’re the one who screwed up…”attractive nuisance” is the legal term, I believe.”

How about they get prosecuted for “Failure to secure an unattended, otherwise legal, now stolen, firearm”? I just cant see charging Joe Blow for murder because he has a Garrison moment and leaves an unsecured weapon on his car seat.

How about we triple the penalties for anyone convicted of stealing a firearm?

#65 Garrison, Although a veteran myself, I don’t consider being a veteran a prerequisite for rights of citizenship. You are excellent proof that veteran status often has no correlation to understanding or defense of the U.S. Constitution.

#61 Ok so when breaking news about a killing spree interrups my favorite program I’m to assume its all boogus info because any belief in this info would be ignorant …………..so I guess 911 never happened!

Tazz don’t be stupid. What the Amazed was saying was, don’t relight just on what news and TV shows report. They report news that grabs attention and viewers. Have you ever noticed that during those news breaks, during shows, they still stop for commercials? The broadcast companies still need to pay the bills too. The more people they have watching means more money. So a story about a person defending themselves with a CCW, without firing, wont get any air time because there isn’t anything exciting about that story. No injuries, no deaths, and no stolen property leads to no viewers.