D. Walker,

I see discrimination in the workplace. I see discrimination based on age. I see discrimination based on gender. I see discrimination based on sexual orientation. You carry on as though race discrimination is the end-all-be-all of discrimination problems in the United States. You know how I deal with the discrimination I face? I educate myself. I work my tail off. I earn the respect of my peers and my superiors. I don’t, however, expect to be handed a special opportunity solely based on anything other than my merit.

I understand.

But, imagine for a second if you will, being Black and discriminated against just because you are Black, but inaddition to that you face all these other same discriminations you mention. Because all Blacks experience these same discriminations you speak about in addition to discrimination because of being Black.

And, I certainly hope that you are not stating that Blacks who do not work their butts off and are not educated oriented? As you put it yourself, you deal with discrimination by educating yourself, working your tail off, and earning the respect of your peers. Isn’t great that you can say this actually work for you.

See when discrimination is in play, there isn’t a damn thing a Black person can do in the way of the right education or work ethic to earn the respect of their peers or to be hired or even considered for anything. Now, you know this.

There are many companies such as UHC here in St. Louis where, if you are African American, better educated, have more knowledge, do the best job, have better mangement skills, just plain more qualified than your White counter parts if you are African American at UHC you WILL NOT be advanced. Point blank.

I think that affirmative action programs should be in place only in government funded businesses or government jobs, or any other place that benefit from taxpayer dollars.

Under no circumstances do I feel that private businesses that do not recieve government funding or taxpayer dollars should be required to have in palce some kind of affirmative action program.

I do feel however that affirmative action as we know it should be changed but, there must be in place some type of program to equal and keep the playing field fair and equal for minorities because, the hearts of man will not do whats right.

For this same reason is the reason laws are needed in society. Good righteous people do not need laws, they do the right things. Laws are for the unjust and lawless people who you cannot be trusted to do the right things without laws in place.

Michelle:

I must correct last sentence in paragraph 2. Should read :

Isn’t it great that you can say this actually work for you?

#65, David H.,

Now, why don’t you try answering the four (4) questions posed to you under #51. I get it, you think I am insane. Okay, let’s see where you are really coming from.

Can you not anwser the questions? Boy, you are in big trouble, a really poor condition if you can’t answer those questions posed.

Is it that you do think you are able to hide your true state if you avoid answering the questions?

Try answering them so you yourself can see in writing your state of existence. Not to mention that I can’t wait to read your answers.

Wonder if you are someone making important decisions in the lives of others, or even making life changing decisions regarding others?

D. Walker,

I have already responded to the rambling incoherent nonsense you consider questions. It is obvious that you have no clue as to the point made in my posts or those of the others on this site. You even got yourself so worked up that you appeared to be making the case for slavery.

This exchange with you reminds me of the old axiom of never arguing with a crazy person. I made the mistake of trying to reason with you as a person who uses logic to reach a conclusion. All you do is respond with a bunch on emotional garbage. Why don’t you read some of the above posts and try to understand what the writers are actually saying.

David H.,

The 4 questions posed in posting #51to you due to you reminding me that the topic questions were if affirmative action was MORAL or logical.

You are incorrect; you did not answer any of the questions. You posted next at #59 not answering.

I have rewritten them to be more coherent, actually editing something before I post it.
The question again are:

1. How do you have a discussion regarding racism without speaking about evil, which it is?

2. How do you discuss evil without discussing the fact of Satan in the world? If there were no Satan there would be no evil.

3. One cannot discuss morals unless one come to some agreement of what morals are. How do you determine what is moral or immoral?

4. By what authority do you determine what your moral standards will be?

You also accused me of not thinking people should be treated as individuals. Yes people should be treated as individuals, the problem however is that people and institutions that discriminate do not understand this. They inflict their oppressive discriminatory practices upon individuals based on groups (race) like here in America in regards to Blacks, but other minority groups also. White America is now being hateful towards Hispanics, Hispanic American citizens right along with illegal Hispanics; are being despised as a hole. Now, that is evil.

In the earlier times in Egypt, the Hebrew were discriminated against as a group. can you imagine how the citizens of some of these countries felt when all those Hebrews showed up to camp out? That is why you will be hard pressed to find a Jewish person to feel this dispisment towards Mexicans.

They remember God’s instruction: “Do not mistreat or oppress a foreigner; remember that you were foreigners in Egypt”.

Race or some type of discrimination is in just about every society in our world, but God still sees it as evil no matter where it is. The main point concerning America is, America’s claim to fame is, it poses itself as a Christian Nation. If true, then America should not be able to stomach all the evil found in our government.

You and others who share your view regarding affirmative action act as if you are blind to the fact that discrimination against Blacks exists in America in just about every facet of America’s business and government and society.

In fact, destroying affirmative action was one of the reasons you people voted for Bush and the Conservative ticket. As thought, it were reversed discrimination and so unfair to present White America.

Now look at where that got us all, IN A MUCH WORST STATE. You see, you got Bush and the Conservatives. They did your bidding in every facet of White America, (institutions, government, corporations, the Justice Department, etc…). Discriminatory practices became out of control. But, all of the discriminatory ones were protected. You ones began and wanted to undo every thing that America had done to attempt to level the playing field that was completely unjust and that was in its present state due to discrimination and inequality in this country.

We do have a supreme being God, and He does not like evil. For some reason this country that claim to be a Christian Nation do not believe in God and certainly not Christ. We cannot behave as if we are a god to ourselves and others without any repercussions because we do have a God who when He decides to strike nothing can stop it, and He has never stopped a disaster from hitting a country and destroying it unless that country’s leader has the right heart and that country’s people are willing to turn their eyes to Him and repent and began doing right.

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“And, I certainly hope that you are not stating that Blacks who do not work their butts off and are not educated oriented?”

No, that wasn’t my implication. But since you brought it up, people who EXPECT handouts of any kind, regardless of their race, generally DO NOT work their butts off, nor do they strive to educate themselves.

My point, and I believe this has already been stated by someone else, is that affirmative action is wrong. Affirmative action discriminates. Discrimination is wrong. From those two statements, which nobody has refuted, we can infer that affirmative action is wrong.

Affirmation action is not wrong due the the FACT that White America (too many White’s in power)in the workplace and our government (White citizens) do not possess the right hearts, a heart that is capable of being fair and unbiased towards African Americans. Mainly those who are screaming that one should judge the individual. I find these ones to be the most racist people, them them it is just lingo and sounds good, and right but far from their own hearts.

Too many just can’t find it in their hearts to see a competent and intelligent Black person when one is standing or sitting before them. They cannot see much pass a Black persons skin color no matter how awsome that Black person is. Too many cannot see promoting a Black person over a White person and have the attitude that it is not appropriate for a Black person to supervise or manage a White person. To many White’s have this distorted view of Blacks, their minds are corrupted. To these ones they can tolerate Blacks only when they are in a place, job or position that they can tolerate and have decided in their distorted minds are appropriate.

Unracist White people and those truly righteous White people freely admit this and refuse to wear blinders in the area of racism. But, they too are guilty because they need to speak out instead of being afraid to step up to the plate regarding discrimination for fear that they will lose something, which usually they do because then they will began to be treated as if they were Black, but I tell you, it will be only for a while because God will reward you for doing right.

How dare any White person to pretend they do not realize this serious discrimination in America. Most need not go any further than their own dinner table or a friends dinner table to see the hearts of White people towards Blacks. Well your family and your friend’s dinner tables are a good example of every facet of America in the area of race relations.

Michelle I would go so for to say that even you do not have the right heart in this area. Everytime a qualified Black person would appear before you, in your mental state, you would assume that the person was only qualified because he had received some type of handout is the reason he was before you, and you base on that distorted view would not hire, consider or promote.

Americans have this problem of lying to themselves and believing these lies. That is the state this country has been in for way too long.

Thank God, so many are waking up and attempting to turn the hearts the right way in this area. People better because there is always a price to pay and I don’t think America is wanting to pay that price, but we are heading in that direction. We must turn away from our corrupt hearts in every area of this corrupted government, including race issues.

But all, no matter Black or White and everything in between must replace all their wrong thoughts about who the are and replace them with the right thoughts and truths concerning who we are according to the revelations of God. We all have been mentally conditioned with distortions and lies and is the reason for the state we are in in this country. White’s distorted view is that they are superior, Blacks distorted view is that they are inferior to White’s. This is the reason for all the social and economic race problems that we see in this Country. Breaking away from this intentional mental conditioning by the White power structure in this country will not and is not easy, but it must be done if this country is to have any hope at all of surviving.

All need to stop following the Master of distortions. Hell, most of the American History we learn are distortions. Sad, sad state for a country to be in and not even recognize it. Just look at how the Fourth of July is celebrated in this country based on all the lies and distortions White America have made up and have made themselves believe as true.

D.Walker, you have stated you will vote for Obama……what if it turns out he’s gay with your God fearing back-round do you still vote for Obama ?

D. Walker,

You are judging me, and all other white people, based on race. By definition, that is prejudice… also generally referred to as racism. And since you’ve made the argument that racists wear blinders, I will just bow out of this pointless argument now, because obviously you, as a racist, cannot be swayed.