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05.19.2008 2:10 pm

We’d better have a good reason to disenfranchise voters

St. Louis Post-Dispatch

I understand how many people think at first glance that the Missouri voter ID bill would have been good.  We all want to prevent voter fraud.  What can be easier than presenting our ID?I was once skeptical until I found out that it is not that easy to get the things you need for a Missouri ID.  I am 39 years old and a quadriplegic so I have no need for a drivers license.  For identification I use my old student ID, library card, and Columbia transit identification.  I asked my parents to find my birth certificate and they looked for a few months without success.  My dad then drove a 150 miles from his house to the county capital of my birth place (and then pay $20) back to his house and then an hour and a half to give the birth certificate to me and back home.  I then spent a half a day at the motor vehicle department getting my ID.  I was able to get that done because I had family support.  Not everybody is that lucky.  There are many more convoluted and complicated cases of people who were born a long time ago many states away or students with out to state IDs.  This Missouri ID legislation is naturally biased against people who do not have drivers licenses or change their last names which means this disproportionately affects people with disabilities and women.  If we are going to disenfranchise voters, we better have a really good reason.  We will inevitably turn away people who are American citizens who have very little power over our government except for one thing-their constitutionally protected right to vote but we will even take that away.   Driving is considered a privilege but voting is a right.  Do we need another barrier to people who cannot drive?  Considering that there has not been one documented case of voter ID fraud in Missouri, do we really want to take the vote away from American citizens who just want to vote?

Bob Pund

Columbia, Mo.

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It appears that the Republicans who support these laws (I hesitate to call them conservatives) are taking the position that they’d rather disenfranchise one citizen than risk a fraudulent vote. It seems to be based on the assumption that those disenfranchised would vote Democrat anyway, so it’s all good.

Lisa may be resorting to a bit of hyperbole, but she DOES have an important point: Those demanding this law need to be supportive of reforming the process by which ID documentation can be obtained. In order for a this to work (and I support the IDEA), then obtaining the identification has to be a relatively easy and painless process.

I’d rather risk one fraudulent vote cast in an election that risk disenfranchising one voter who has trouble getting the right ID documentation. Just, I suppose, as I’d rather one guilty person go free in court than risk imprisoning one innocent person.

This is only one part of the overall election reform process that is sorely needed. There needs to be an easy way, within the federal system, of insuring that ‘one person, one vote’ is actually provable. Some sort of cross-referencing system is needed…one that works across state lines. Some consistent standard for voting technology is required….one that provides some sort of verifiable paper trail for ever vote. Last, some consistent set of guidelines for what happens on election day is needed…to insure that everyone who is legally entitled TO vote actually has the opportunity to cast the ballot and have it correctly counted.

— hs
5:01 pm May 19th, 2008

hs:

“I’d rather risk one fraudulent vote cast in an election that risk disenfranchising one voter who has trouble getting the right ID documentation.”

I first heard about mass disenfranchising during the 2000 Presidential election in Florida. It seems that closing the polls at 7:00 PM prevented some laggards from voting so they were consequently “disenfranchised.” Do liberals propose the polls never close as a solution to the problem?

— Iconoclastic Sage
6:39 pm May 19th, 2008

Sage: That one I must respond to from personal experience.

At one time in my life, I was working a job that required working a 12 hour shift, officially scheduled from 7A to 7P. Generally, (since it was a 24 hour operation) we relieved each other around 6:30-6:40. I had a 20-25 minute drive to work.

On election day, I had this little dilemma: Polls open from 6A-7P. 20-25 minute drive to work. Need to be there between 6:30 and 6:40 AM, best case, get home right at 7 pm. When to vote? Do the math.

I went in as the polls opened, and showed up a few minutes late to work. If they hadn’t been ready at 6, I probably would have hung around no more than 5 minutes, and left for work and hoped I’d make it by closing time.

What about the cases in St. Louis where people were standing in line when closing time arrived, and the poll workers closed the door and locked them out? The VOTERS showed up in good faith before the polls closed. Someone followed the letter of the law and locked them out. I would argue that some poll worker should have gone to the end of the line and stood there, and said..”you were here in time. You get to vote. Anyone who shows up after this moment is out.”

Actually, and I suggested this one other time: In this day of 24 hour a day operations for so many jobs, I’d suggest a simple expedient: All polls will be open for 24 hours on election day. To make it even easier, make it the SAME 24 hours, nationwide. Midnight to Midnight in the Eastern Zone, 9PM monday night to 9PM Tuesday night in the Pacific Zone. Alaska and Hawaii would have to figure that one out. Further: NO projections, exit polling results, nothing until the polls are closed. Period.

— hs
6:53 pm May 19th, 2008

hs,
I actually like your idea for 24 hour voting. Even better, in Oregon they have had a Vote By Mail system since 1998. Every registered voter receives a ballot in the mail ~2 weeks prior to election day. All you have to do is fill out the ballot and mail it back. Or, you can vote as usual on election day. I would like to have that system here.

— Lisa12
7:23 pm May 19th, 2008

Photo ID should always be required to vote. you need a photo ID to cash a check, open a bank account, get service from a doctor, etc. My mother is 86 years old and had no problem obtaining a photo ID to vote with. But, since everyone has to register to vote anyway, why can’t the county clerk’s offices have access to a state-wide on-line system to verify identity?

The State Secretary of State office can put all death certificates from 1910 to 1956 on line, why not birth certificates and drivers license info

— James R
7:53 pm May 19th, 2008

No, this is silly. Only Democrats are complaining. They have the most to gain from voter fraud. The state will fund any easy way to get the photo ID. The plight above does not apply because this easy method doesn’t currently exist.

This shouldnt be a party thing. This should be about upholding the integrity of the voting process. This is a simple easy start.

— RCJ
8:54 pm May 19th, 2008

Getting a copy of your birth certificate is as easy as searching for your states health dept site on the net and following their instructions. Most states you can fill out a form online and pay with a credit card. I got mine from PA and my wife got hers from CA when we lived in KS.
Except for the long lines what is so hard about going to the DMV to get an ID. I realize some people have a hard time getting around, but if you can go to your polling place I’m sure you can go get an id. Please find some new excuses as to why this is a bad idea.

— Joe
9:25 pm May 19th, 2008

This is real simple: without voter fraud, the Democrats cannot win national elections. this is why the uber-liberal Post supports voter fraud. Even the most radical leftist on the Supreme Court supports voter ID. It’s just common sense.

— tim jones
10:27 pm May 19th, 2008

Joe: Getting a copy of your birth certificate is as easy as searching for your states health dept site on the net and following their instructions. Most states you can fill out a form online and pay with a credit card.

It’s not so easy if you don’t own a computer and you don’t own a credit card. You know …. like many of the poor, the elderly, and the disabled.

— Lisa12
12:22 am May 20th, 2008

Not a sage, and the rest of you yappers, I get you can’t stand that anyone gets to vote. The franchise used to be only for propertied white males, and I guess that’s what you want to go back to in the US. Folks, your white sheets are showing!!

— Tim Hogan
1:29 am May 20th, 2008

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