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06.27.2008 5:55 pm

We may not agree on how to measure judgment, but we at least should stick to facts

St. Louis Post-Dispatch

I’m fed up too. There is a misperception, exemplified by Steve Young’s letter to the editor (6/17/08), that Senator Barack Obama’s prior experience in government and judgement are inadequate. Inadequate by what standard? If we measure experience by the number of years served as state governor, state legislator, United States Legislator or Vice President, then Senator Obama’s 12 years of service in two of these capacities is more experience than such notable Presidents as Teddy Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, and Ronald Reagan had at the time of their election not to mention such lesser Presidents as Grover Cleveland and William Taft. In fact, measured this way Senator Obama, if elected, would rank 19th out of 44 presidents in prior experience according to the St. Petersburg times (http://www.sptimes.com/2007/01/17/Worldandnation/Presidential_experien.shtml).


And if Senator Obama’s judgement is measured by his prior and continuing opposition to the train wreck that is the Iraq War, then I am satisfied.
I understand that there may not be universal agreement on how to measure prior experience and judgement, but I think we have a duty to at least attempt to base our opinions on facts.
Ivan Collier
Manchester

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Ivan Collier:

“I understand that there may not be universal agreement on how to measure prior experience and judgement, but I think we have a duty to at least attempt to base our opinions on facts.”

Experience can be measured in at least two ways. Obama’s 12 years could have been in progressively challenging executive functions preparing for supreme leadership or it could be in 10 years of the same Chicago political machine bag-man, day after day without any change of duties or responsibilities and two years of polishing his smile for loopy consumption. Base your opinions on that.

— Iconoclastic Sage
6:36 pm June 27th, 2008

Not a sage,

Obama was known as someone who worked for cooperation and the public good while in the minority in the Illinois Senate. When the GOP (thank goodness)became the minority in Illinois, Obama worked well with the minority and even his legislative opponents to include everyone and achieve the public good. Obama’s GOP opponents lauded him as one who consulted them on his issies, when Obama “could’ve shoved it down our throats.”

That story alone makes Obama far more qualified to be President than four more years of Bush/McCain!

— Tim Hogan
6:43 pm June 27th, 2008

Tim Hogan:

“Obama worked well with the minority and even his legislative opponents to include everyone and achieve the public good. Obama’s GOP opponents lauded him as one who consulted them on his issies, when Obama “could’ve shoved it down our throats.”

That story alone makes Obama far more qualified to be President than four more years of Bush/McCain!”

That story goes well with Gypsy violins and candlelight but Mr. Collier’s point and my response was on the chronological nature of experience. Exactly how much time was spent consulting on “issies” with opponents?

— Iconoclastic Sage
7:48 pm June 27th, 2008

It’s funny that Tim Hogan wold bring up The Obamamessiah’s 15 minutes in the Illinois Senate. Consider this story from the LA Times:

Obama angered fellow Democrats in the Illinois Senate when he voted to strip millions of dollars from a child welfare office on Chicago’s West Side. But Obama had a ready explanation: He goofed.
“I was not aware that I had voted no,” he said that day in June 2002, asking that the record be changed to reflect that he “intended to vote yes.”
That was not the only misfire for the former civil rights attorney first elected to the state Senate in 1996. During his eight years in state office, Obama cast more than 4,000 votes. Of those, according to transcripts of the proceedings in Springfield, he hit the wrong button at least six times.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-obamavotes24jan24,0,4956975,full.story

Obamamessiah is so stupid he can’t even tell a Yes button from a No button! Can he tell either from the nuclear button?

— tim jones
9:53 pm June 27th, 2008

Not to mention the extraordianry number of “present” votes he cast, especially on hot-button issues. This coward didn’t even have the guts to register a vote! But he wasn’t shy about his plan to ban gun ownership within 5 miles of a school. That would be pretty much everywhere. Until yesterday though, when he suddenly became supportive of gun rights and the Second Amendment

— tim jones
9:56 pm June 27th, 2008