Mike

Are you living in a sealed box? Iranian troops are the ones trying to kill our troops in Iraq. No threat?

How about to Israel http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2008/07/04/dl0401.xml

How about the nuke threat.

http://www.arabnews.com/?page=4&section=0&article=111715&d=11&m=7&y=2008

You libs better open your fricken’ eyes.

This ignorant diatribe shows why the Obamamessiah and the deomcrats CANNOT be trusted with national security. They live a delusional fatasy-land:

Point 1 is a baldfaced lie. Iran has threatened israel with nuclear annihilation.

Point 2 is another baldfaced lie. Iraq is an independent and FREE coutry, not the liberal fantasy of a puppet on US strings. So now all foreign policy moves must be approved by Iraq? So what if they wouldn’t participate?

point 3- So what? Israel is surrounded by hostile nations, dedicated to its destruction, that have attacked it several times over the past 50 years. Its nukes are needed for defensive purposes. The crazy Ahmadininutjob who denies the first Holocaust cannot wait to start the second. See also point 1.

point 4 Again, so what? Now our foreign policy must be approved by Tehran? Iran is not welcome in Iraq, we are. Iraqis are heavily engaged with what little is left of al-Qaeda and Iranian terrorist in Iraq.

Point 5 Another baldfaced lie. Any iraqis detained have been detained because of their threat to American forces. They are treated a lot more humanely than prisoners in Evan Prison in Tehran. You should visit it sometime.

http://www.voanews.com/english/About/2008-06-30-voa83.cfm

This election is real simple: if you think that America and george Bush are the greatest threat to the world, vote for Obamamessiah. If you think Islamofascism is the greatest threat, vote for McCain. The simple-mimdednes of this letter is truly scary. Its author is either addled or an Iranian agent. Probably both.

Michael,

Iran has threatened Israel on numerous occasions.

If Iraq is a “puppet regime” of the US, how is it they oppose confronting Iran?

Israel has consistently demonstrated a willingness to live in peace with its neighbors as it does with Egypt and Jordan. Iran has consistently threatened to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.

The United States removed Saddam after the Iraqi government failed to live up to its obligations under the UN-sponsored cease-fire agreement that ended the First Gulf War. Exactly which informed sources are you talking about re America’s alleged actions inside Iran?

Where do you get your statistics re Iraqi citizens imprisoned by the US?

MercMan,

< The United States removed Saddam after the Iraqi government failed to
< live up to its obligations under the UN-sponsored cease-fire agreement
< that ended the First Gulf War. Exactly which informed sources are you
< talking about re America’s alleged actions inside Iran?

Are you saying that your statement above is the reason we invaded Iraq? You really feel that the U.S. was just in removing Saddam Hussein?

My God, no wonder the world hates us.

And tim jones, you sound as if your mind has been wired (programmed).

JD, tim jones and MercMan, why don’t you explain to us how we can take on Iran and Russia. You do realize that if we attack Iran, we just as well have attacked Russia. Then from there tell us how you think things will play out cowboys. JD open your freakin eyes (as you say) and tell us how you see things playing out in that scenario, that will be the first scenario.

Now that has nothing to do with how morally wrong such action on our part would be, or being weak. But show us how smart you guys are tell us how the scenario will play out if we attacked Iran, don’t forget Russia being part of the picture.

I know that we will have bombs dropped onto the U.S. For the first time in our history the U.S. territory will become battle ground and what destruction and devastation it will be for us. You guys have better start programming your minds to think about PEACE.

D. Walker

There you go again. Trying to put words, where I didn’t put them. Did I say anything about “taking on Iran”? Spin, twist and lie. Typical lib bs.

D. Walker, Read your last paragraph is your preceding post. Are blatantly telling lies, or are you ignorant?

JD: the tenor of your statements is that you think we should invade Iran, and that you think Iraq was a brilliant strategic move by a gifted wartime President.

Now, if that is a false statement, then say so. Rather than spending all your time ragging on “Liberals”, why not confront the branch of YOUR party that seems to think triggering Armageddon would be a good idea.

Going to war should always be a last resort. It should never be done without a realistic, sane understanding of the probable cost. At the moment, we lack the material and human capital to invade Iran. Maybe the Iraqis who are counseling against a war with Iran are veterans of the Iran/Iraq war of the 1980’s and might actually know something we don’t.

hs

I never said a word about invading Iran. Really don’t think we will need to. Israel will take care of that problem, and hopefully when they do, they get the Nutjob.

You and D. Walker try and add meaning to the posts that I and others make. As far as “ragging” on liberals, if it walks like a duck, sounds like a duck, it must be a duck. Liberalism is a sickness, that has to be countered, otherwise we will be looking like Europe, with all their failed “liberal” policies.

I do not have a party. I am a conservative that believes we have to carry the “big stick”, and not a toothpick, that liberals so desire.

Most people who subscribe to this forum know me for the limp-wristed, white wine drinking, emasculated, NPR listening liberal that I am. Having confessed that, I must agree with the conservative posters in assessing your world view as somewhat Pollyannish. The essential fact is that all the players in the Middle East have been fighting over the same piece of real estate since about 3500 BCE. I’ve seen the place and I don’t know what all the fuss is about. And yet, you are correct in identifying the good ol’ USA as the aggressor in this current conflict, although I shed no tears for Saddam. The fact remains that any current administration’s explanation of foreign policy for the last six years must begin with the word “Oops.” To assuage your fears, let me assure you that it is highly unlikely Bush will seek his legacy by saddling the next president with a conflict in Iran. Conversely, he does have very little to lose.

To sum up, accept it as fact that none of these guys have working toilets in their countries, let alone nukes. Although they would surely love to. So please stop your posts–your making JD’s head explode.

Johnh,

You say my last paragraph are blatantly lies? Does it hurt your ears hearing the truth?

I guess the only way to find out if I am lying is if we attck Iran and I don’t think that the U.S. is that stupid. Lately, we only go after those who are weak and who can’t really defend themselves with no support from other strong countries.

We have had our big warning from Russia already. Not only have they verbalized it, but also flew their Russian bomber jets (there were so many, the only thing you saw was red dotd all over the radar at U.S. boarders. It was extremely unsettling to see, the U.S. military officials were freaked out. Russia did this because the only thing the Bush adminstration had begiun talking about was attacking Iran. I guess Russia got tired of it. And guess what, it stopped after that incident.

The funny thing is, we did not hear anything in the news about it accept for that moment as it was taking place, then nothing, nothing at all was ever said again about it in the media. Strange.

So johnh, if you and some others are so in denial and are playing some wishful make believe scenario in your heads, fine go ahead, but it still does not change the reality of the fact that if we attack Iran, Russia will attack the U.S. And I guess the strongest will survive. Who do you guys think the strongest will be the U.S. or Russia? That is what it will boil down to.

tim jones,

Don’t know what you are talking about. Show me where I have placed words in your mouth. I do recall attempting to verify what you meant. But, I don’t see where I have placed words in your mouth. Show me.

JD, what passes for conservatism these days is also a sickness. It’s almost like the John Birch Society has taken over the country, and might makes right is the mantra.

It might surprise you to know that I consider myself a moderate. I have just as many problems with the Jesse Jackson lunatic left as I do with the rabid republican neo-cons on the right. I wish there was a true centrist presidential candidate available to vote for. There isn’t.

hs,

I think if you ignore all the blather on the left, and all the blather on the right, you will see Barak Obama for the centrist he is. It is rather obvious to me.

hs

I agree with your statement on the far right. I am center to right, but not far right. I believe in the good lord, but don’t attend church of any type. My dog tag (can’t locate the second one) say’s No Pref for religion. I found god at 18 in VN. He and I have our own thing going.

I just don’t agree with the liberals on just about any subject, and Bush was not my first choice. I believe in a smaller, less intrusive government, and want people to stand on their own two feet, but willing and do help the less fortunate, disabled and mentally ill.

I want our country as powerful, with military might, that it can be. As far as I am concerned, that is the best defense we can have. Clinton cut the military back too much in the 90’s, along with a lot of other things I didn’t agree with. If I would have been 20 years younger on 9/11, I would have re-enlisted, but they don’t want or need old geezers.

Obama is way to far left for me, and McCain is well… McCain. Not my first choice again, but in my opinion, much better than Obama. I do wish we had a third choice, I mean a real third choice, and someday we may.

I don’t want to see higher taxes, or a govie run health system, a better health system yes. The gov would screw it up, just like they do with everything they get involved with.

I want the oil companies to be able to drill where the oil is, and work on an alternative at the same time. I don’t like $4 to $5 a gallon gas, but if that is what it takes to get an energy replacement program going, so be it.

It may sound sometimes, in my posting that I am far right, but agree with you, on the far right. There are whacos on either side.

Watch it, you tough guys on the right, liberals get their feelings hurt very easily. Why can’t you understand that it’s patriotic and Pro-American to despise your country for it’s “questionable” actions while our enemies are awarded a get out of jail free card and pass go to collect $200 for decapitations and dragging lifeless bodies behind cars? Hey, rest assured, if any political opponent, anywhere, commits an untoward act, these liberal über-patriots will be the first to call the offense to their attention. Diplomatically, of course.

Iconoclastic Sage,

It is only in your heads what you imagine America is today and your clueless idea of what patriotism is and who is and who isn’t. While you’re at tell the Saudi’s what you expect of them in the way of being patriotic due to their ownership of the U.S. and who can bring us to our knees at any time they decide, no matter our military might. This is what no one wants to talk about.

Much of America’s economy is built on Saudi money. It is reported that they have a trillion dollars invested in our stock market and another trillion sitting in our banks. It is also estimated that if they suddenly removed the money, our corporations and financial institutions would collapse and crash like nothing that we have ever seen before. This is your real everyday threat, right here, not all the political non-sense you guys are spewing.

We get our oil from Saudi. They own America. The oil companies are not going to step on Saudi toes. They don’t want to explore in this country at this time and it has everything to do with this globalization deal with Saudi being involved up to their ears.

This probably also explains why our carmakers have not concentrated on automobiles that use less gasoline. Now, if Saudi has over a trillion dollars in our stock market, it would be safe to say that they probably have great stakes in our automobile companies also.

See GREED is the downfall of this country. Most private companies went public out of greed. This opened the door to our downfall and the devil. The stock market being globalized was the problem. People controlling and running things here were not smart or moral, just greedy.

Never expect Bin Laden to be brought to justice, too much at stake. Don’t want to step on the toes of any of that family. 9/11 was obviously retaliation for something, an revenge act which is okay in their culture and no Saudi is going to allow Americans to capture or punish one of there’s over such an act. When are you going to see that we are in bed with the Middle East and will not be able to get out of it without being destroyed? Sad to say, but you can just forget about 9/11. There was never any intention to bring Bin Laden to justice.

The U.S. are deep in bed with the Middle East now, and you guys have better just learn to adapt and stop being so naively foolish concerning all this political pandering, left, right, conservative, liberal etc.. What a joke in face of the reality of what really is in America, and you people just want to continue to hand the power of our government over to greedy immoral shallow politicians and the greedy selfish rich under the disguise of conservatism, when oil and money has always been the driving force, and not the good of the people.

Left out the fact that the Saudi’s must also own much of our oil companies stocks also if they have over a trillion dollars in our stock market.

Is there really anyway out? The only way to become independant of oil is if our government begin to own oil companies and if our government get involved in building and owning automoble factories. But, as soon as that began to take place, Saudi will pull the rug from under us, and tumbling down we will fall.

Sad to have to admit,free enterprise and capitalization have caused us to lose this country and unknowing unwise Conservatives keep accusing ones who can see what is happening and what has happened as being anti-capitalization and socialist.

Well, these ones are not too bright, they still can’t see what has happened, they just keep marching to the tune of their blinded beat.

D.Walker:

“The U.S. are deep in bed with the Middle East now, and you guys have better just learn to adapt and stop being so naively foolish concerning all this political pandering, left, right, conservative, liberal etc.. What a joke in face of the reality of what really is in America, and you people just want to continue to hand the power of our government over to greedy immoral shallow politicians and the greedy selfish rich under the disguise of conservatism, when oil and money has always been the driving force, and not the good of the people.”

I bow to your superior knowledge of world affairs and human nature. I should have recognized the greedy immoral shallow politicians, after all, they have an (R) behind their names and they hang around with the greedy selfish rich among the dust bunnies under our beds while you struggle to find financial institutions to make investments for the good of the people that not only return nothing but charge you excessive fees for your charitable nature.

I’m puzzled though, how it’s so much our fault for the boorish behavior of the Saudi sheiks since America gets about 7 percent of our oil from the Middle East and the remaining 63 percent of our non domestic consumption is imported from Canada, Mexico and Venezuela?

Loopy losers should find something else to cry themselves to sleep over.

Here’s a good article to read and think about Mr. Sage preferring to remain blinded. You have better stop listening to all those Conservative shows and begin doing your own research that are based on facts not hype.

Read this then start doing some research yourself.

http://cache.search.yahoo-ht2.akadns.net/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&p=saudi+has+a+trillion+invested+in+American+stocks&fr=slv8-tyc7&u=www.brazzil.com/p117jun03.htm&w=saudi+trillion+invested+invest+investing+investment+%22invest+ed%22+american+stocks+stock&d=Sjpa_y72Q_-m&icp=1&.intl=us

Also it doesn’t hurt to become friends with people of other countries living in the U.S. Sit with them, talk and watch their T.V. and their countries reportings on world affairs, many times they talk about what American media outlets will not.

This is a non-issue. We don’t have the resourses, especially soldiers, to invade Iran even if it were a good idea (it’s another insane idea from yours truly by the way). Thank your president for the predicament we’re now in. The Iraq fiasco was supposed to be the “war of the 21st century” but there was never an intiative by this president to require everybody to pitch in and do their fair share.

Such a strategist W and crew have been. He went to war on the cheap, shot his wad and we’re now left holding the bag so to speak. Face it, “That’s all there is and there ain’t no more.” If I were poppy I’d tell W he better stop drivin’ that hot rod Lincoln.

mogoid:

“Thank your president for the predicament we’re now in. The Iraq fiasco was supposed to be the “war of the 21st century” but there was never an intiative by this president to require everybody to pitch in and do their fair share.”

Leftist loopies spent more than a year castigating the president for not connecting the dots and doing enough to prevent the catastrophe on 9/11. As soon as he did, the cuckoos did a 180 and set up a hue and cry that he was infringing on their civil rights and the rights of a sovereign, benevolent government without clear cut, iron clad evidence of wrongdoing. If he listened to them again, they would be just as venomous about neglecting our responsibilities to the world while it collapsed around us.

I understand, he has done some things wrong, one of which is thinking he can appease his domestic enemies by fighting a gentleman’s war without casualties. He should have deported all the American Saddam butt wipes to Iraq, then wiped the entire country off the map.

D. Walker, you didn’t answer my question. ARE YOU IGNORANT OF A LIAR OR BOTH? Read the paragraph I referenced and answer me. Is that hard to do? Of course it is …It is plain wrong. Shy?

Incidentally, since yo8 obviously don’t know History, let me put some sour meat on on your plate. Did you know that since recorded history began with the Rosetta stone discovery, that Organized Religions have caused more premature death, and destruction than any other visible entity. Know what is in 2nd place? No you don’t. I’ll tell you. Rats, the long tailed animals. They are far behind.

Now answer my question about your last paragraph of your post that I referenced, or concede that I can refer to you as “Mr. D. Walker, a liar and Ignorant”?

The ball is in your court, sir!

johnh,

Here’s the last paragraph of the post you are speaking of:

< I know that we will have bombs dropped onto the U.S. For the first time < in our history the U.S. territory will become battle ground and
< what,destruction and devastation it will be for us. You guys have better < start programming your minds to think about PEACE.

Your statement and question concerning that last paragraph of mine was:

< D. Walker, Read your last paragraph is your preceding post. Are
< blatantly telling lies, or are you ignorant?

Now in the last post preceding this one by me, you ask me to answer if I was ignorant? Then you are rambling on about organized religion?

I am wondering and asking myself if you are a sane man? Why are you rambling on about organized religion concerning any of my post related above and not making any sense?

Let’s turn the question around back to you; no on second thought, let’s not because I am certain that you are will not make sense in any further responses neither. So tell you what, instead of me answering your question that makes NO SENSE, choose whatever you have conjured up in your strange mind that I am, have at it because it really isn’t important at all what I am in your mind, stupid, dumb, ignorant, or smart, astute, brilliant, it really doesn’t matter. How about that? I am and can be whatever you chose me to be in your little mind. Does this answer your question now?

By the way, next time please attempt to explain exactly what you are thinking and talking about because no one can read and make rational sense out of what you are stating or asking.

Also johnh,

If you would like to attempt this again, please explain how I am wrong and what history that you are referring to in intelligent man language without using phrases such as the Rats, long tail animal statements. Also, plese explain your thought process concerning your referance to organized religion and anything that was said in any of these posts.

Thank you, johnh.

D. Walker

This country was bombed during WW 2.

http://gesswhoto.com/oregon-bombing.html

But, there it did not become a battleground, nor was there devastation. That is what I stated and was saying. Imagine the devastation of bombs being dropped like we dropped them on Iraq and their citizens, infrastructure etc.. No the U.S. has never experience this kind of devastation.

Is this what johnh was referring to about me not knowing U.S. history? I and everyone else no about that little bomb that was dropped on U.S. soil.

Should have stated”

Everyone else and I know about that little bomb that was dropped on U.S. soil.

We know that the neo-con control bots lie. We know that the mass media lies. When the mass media isn’t lying then it isn’t saying anything at all; sins of omission. Nowhere in mass media are you being told that Karl Rove left the country. Early days? Maybe. We know that most of what we see and hear is being manipulated to provoke military and economic action against nations that DO NOT present a credible threat to the one’s planning these holocausts, present and future, and who are also the ones we most need to be protected against.

Surely, if you are not a part of the solution then you are a part of the problem. The price of oil is just going up and up and it affects everything else. It affects industry and the manufacture of goods. It affects the transportation of those goods. We are looking at a perfect storm of immense proportion. It is because of Israel’s warmongering against Iran that the price of oil has gone up. You might think it stupid that speculators would bid so much for something that is still widely available. But should the Straits of Hormuz be shut down somebody is going to make a lot of money,and it sure as hell won’t be you.

Iran may be its own kind of maverick nation and you may not like how they do things according to their idea of how things are but they don’t have a history of aggressive action against their neighbors. Israel’s history is filled with non-stop aggression against everyone besides themselves, regardless of whether that aggression takes the form of physical attack, economic attack, propaganda attack or guilt milking. The Levon Affair and the attack on the U.S.S. Liberty are just two well documented examples. Any time now they are going to go and get the Litani River. That’s the purpose of the news concerning rockets that don’t exist being sent to Lebanon by Iran.

I don’t know what to tell you. You, the people, continue to buy the bovine excrement that gets spoon fed you on a daily basis. An attack on Iran would put the final nail to our economic coffin. Iran knows this. They are trying their best to bait us into an action that will destroy us. Russia is playing the game too. They stand to gain the most from an attack, as they are second in oil exports. Putin is playing Bush like a fiddle. Does anyone get it? No. You aren’t even reading me right now. You’re driving through Disneyland and Jack the Ripper is in the back seat.

Less Visible

You are sick man, real sick. Please go get help.

My little mantra regarding WHO actually benefits in the USA & Iran becoming
involved in war: Israel and Sunni Saudi Arabia.

Hmmm. I wonder what the House of Saud’s advice is to the House of Bush on this? So hard to say…

Art,

Please enlighten us on how Mr. Visible is a sick man. Does telling the truth these days make you sick? Guess so. Sad.

Just because such an attack would be the most insane thing the knuckleheads in Tel Aviv and Washington could do at this moment is absolutely no guarantee that they will not do it. You have the US economy in meltdown, with banks and stocks collapsing, coupled with the Iranian bourse opening for business next week.

Israel is very certain that the next US president will not be anywhere near as carnage prone as Bush has proven himself to be.

So, you’ve got Barak and his minions coming to Washington “for talks” next week, followed by a round of meetings between US admiral Mullen and his Israeli counterpart, Gabi Ashkenazi, the middle of this month.

From the Israeli point of view, it’s now or never.

And there’s that 6,000 lb. elephant sitting on the Steinway in the living room, and - as Shakespeare once wrote - “Aye, there’s the rub.”

This is Russia.

The question that every politician and military strategist in both Washington and Tel Aviv should be asking is this: what will Russia be prepared to do to protect its geopolitical and financial interests in Iran?