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07.07.2008 11:28 am

What is patriotism?

St. Louis Post-Dispatch

What is Patriotism? Many Americans, especially the conservative ones, would answer that particular question with some version of the phrase “My country, right or wrong!” which was originally spoken in 1816 by Stephen Decater, a returning war hero. The full quote is “may she always be in the right; but our country, right or wrong!” Their attitude is that whatever it takes to keep us safe, and by that they mean some version of richer and better off than the rest of the world, is okay as long as they are not exposed to its effects and, in fact, don’t even want to know about any of it. If it takes renditioning and torturing and blowing up the occasional innocent civilian, well that’s why they call it collateral damage, which is somehow better that intended damage, sort of a “Whoopsie” that can be glossed over with a “Sorry” or “He was someplace he shouldn’t have been” or even a “But we THOUGHT he was guilty!”

 

My definition would be more along the lines of honoring our troops by making sure that they are put at risk ONLY when our nation is threatened and then taking care of them when their tour of duty is over. This means that putting them in places like North Africa in 1942, Europe in 1944, or Afghanistan in 2002 is a proper use of them, but not in places like Vietnam in the ‘60s and Iraq in 2003. It also means making sure that the care they receive in our hospitals is the best that there is, that they are not given a discharge for pre-existing conditions when the condition is obviously duty related, or denying them monetary benefits that were given to the fathers and grandfathers because it might influence them to not re-up. They are NOT raw material to be used up and then discarded because they are too expensive or inconvenient. And let the news cover their bodies being returned to the country that they sacrificed their lives for, even if it reduces the President’s approval ratings.

 

My definition of patriotism would also include the simple act of holding our politicians accountable for their actions, and those actions must include making sure that this country always at least tries to do the right thing. We may not always succeed, we are after all merely a nation of flawed human beings, but we should always try. And by the right thing I don’t mean the politically correct thing or the popular thing or the thing that will get you re-elected or the thing that will get your former, or perhaps future, employer a huge government contract or insure you a cushy job. I mean that which will most benefit the country and its citizens, all of its citizens and not just the rich or the poor or the corporations or your donors, but all. They may not always succeed, in fact they will probably rarely succeed, but failure to help all will usually help most. And then they could stand up, and all of their fellow citizens could stand up, in front of current and future generations and say “We always did the best we could, the best we knew how, and we tried to do the right thing!” That would make a great epitaph for any person, or any country.

John A. Joseph

St. Louis

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Mr. Joseph

I know what patriotism is not.

It is not voting to send the military into war, and then try to block funding, while they are in harms way.

It is not Lurch, calling the American military, terrorists.

It is not John Murtha, http://www.kxmb.com/News/Nation/254139.asp

It is not Durbin, comparing Guantanamo Bay to Gulags.

— JD
2:55 pm July 7th, 2008

Patriotism must be wearing an American flag lapel pin, then taking it off when you’re trying to get the radical liberal primary voters, then standing in front of a bunch of American flags when you defend your longtime friend Jerimiah “God damn America” Wright, then throwing your dear friend under the bus and putting the flag pin back on.

Patriotism must also be having every terrorist in the world play your words for support and encouragement, to the point where they endorse you for president.

So where does Mr joseph stand on The Obamamessiah’s “refined” FISA support? First, the Obamammessiah promised to filibuster any bill that granted immunity to the telecoms. Exactly such a bill was voted on, and there was nothing but support from the Obamamessiah!

— tim jones
4:30 pm July 7th, 2008

JD: I would suggest that it is decidedly unpatriotic to question the patriotism of anyone who has served the country in uniform, particularly if that person left body parts behind during their service.

I’m not sure I know which of the Founders allegedly said that Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel…but the point is well made. Questioning someone’s patriotism is a particularly cruel form of character assassination. I would suggest that anyone (military or civilian) who is actively engaged in serving their fellow citizens…and this includes politicians…should never have to have their patriotism questioned.

Sometimes, love of country means speaking the Truth as you see it.

— hs
4:32 pm July 7th, 2008

Well said Hs. It also includes scolding your country when you know it has done wrong.

— JimmyRussell
4:43 pm July 7th, 2008

Patriotism is localized, one persons patriot is another persons traitor. A few examples, In 1776 George Washington was our Patriot and Britain\’s traitor. At one time Benedict Arnold was celebrated as our Patriot and is now considered our greatest traitor. Robert E. Lee in many parts of the country is considered a patriot, but in 1861 he was considered a traitor.

JD and Tim Jones confuses what might be character flaws, with those of being a traitor, or at least unpatriotic. Do not forget John McCain\’s first wife would consider him a traitor in their personal relationship since he divorced he after coming back from Vietnam even though she was in the forefront of keeping POW\’s in front of the public.

I am not going to defend any particular statement by any politician. But JD should remember that military lawyers questioned the legality of Guantanamo. Blocking funds might be a bad choice, but it is one of the options available to congress to rectify what they might consider a bad policy.

Tim Jones seems to be offended that first Obama first considered FISA to be illegal. Then decided after consideration, right or wrong, that he should change his mind, this is something George Bush has never been able to do no matter how wrong he might be.

I dislike George Bush with a passion. However, no matter how much I dislike him I do believe he is doing what he thinks is correct. JD and Tim Jones only seem to accept that if someone disagrees with them then they are not patriotic.

I use to be middle of the road in politics. However, JD and Tim Jones are the type of people who drove me to the left. I wonder how they will handle a Democratic Congress that can override a veto and a good chance a Democratic President.

— Bob
5:00 pm July 7th, 2008

JD-Decorated Marine, pro-gun,co-authored the Flag Desecration Act, opposed to NAFTA and CAFTA-sure sounds like a traitor to me. Good call.

— slamfist
7:32 pm July 7th, 2008

hs

I wiil call anyone unpatriotic that I see fit, and those three are. I have served my country in uniform, for six years, and I am a VN vet. I have a total of 28 1/2 years government service, and will have a few more if the good lord is willing.

Bob

You are so full of crap, it is coming out your finger tips, onto the key board.

The ignorant dems, blocked funding during VN, that is one reason I have no use or respect for liberals. They vote to send you to war, then try to stop funding.

If they would get out of the fricken way, the war on terrorism would be going a lot better, and wouldn’t have taken so long to get this far. If your liberal press would ever tell the damn truth about how we are doing over there, might just help a little too. You libs wouldn’t know the truth if it smacked you upside your idiotic heads.

— JD
7:45 pm July 7th, 2008

Mr. JD -
Funny - I thought only liberals and welfare folks “swilled at the governmental troughs…” - for 22+ years yet, huh? Sweeet!

Who is “Lurch?” Are you thinking of the Monty Python skit about the
“larch?” Or maybe an old TV sitcom?

Gawrsh - I wish your finger was on the trigger - we could just nuke everything East of Suez (with one exception) and West of India - and then have peace - right?

— Thomas F. Maher
11:07 pm July 7th, 2008

Thomas F. Maher

If I didn’t earn the small amount of money I make, I wouldn’t be doing what I am doing. I would be somewhere else. It is more important to me, to serve my country, than to get rich.

For those 28 1/2 years, I have worked with active military, retired military, disabled military and career civilians, and there is no finer group of people anywhere, dedicated to the protection of this country. There are also liberal democrats that work there, but they have much better attitudes towards this country, and are sickened, just as I am, seeing the crap and lies on the nightly news. And for your imformation sir, they will not be voting for Obama.
So sir, I know what is happening in our war on terror, and have since 9/11.

Slamfist

No, I didn’t get a chance to listen to the tape, and I did not call him a traitor, as you state. He may be a decorated Marine, but he had no right to accuse his fellow Marines, without proof. There was no proof, and they have all be cleared.

— JD
6:04 am July 8th, 2008

JD,

There you go again. You disagree with someone and they are full of it.

You say that the Dems should get out of the way, but lets be honest the Dems did not start trying to block funding for several years and it got worst and worst in Iraq. Yes it is getting better now in Iraq after nearly six years, but the military, yes the military, is saying that Iraq got better at the expense of Afghanistan.

I have said it before and I will say it again. I have many problems with George Bush, I never doubt that he is doing what he believes is correct. You though are ready to call anyone unpatriotic that does not believe in what you believe. That is not democracy, that is socialism.

— Bob
9:50 am July 8th, 2008

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