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08.20.2008 12:16 pm

Burke’s proclamation was not universally accepted

St. Louis Post-Dispatch
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Colleen Carroll Campbell’s column about Archbishop Raymond Burke was interesting, but when she referred to his proclamation that pro-choice Catholics should be denied the sacrament of Holy Communion, she conveniently forgot a few items of interest.

Archbishop Burke’s proclamation was not universally accepted by the other bishops in the United States. Also, a national Catholic newspaper (the Sunday Visitor) reported in July 2004 that “Italian politicians known for their abortion views regularly receive communion from the Holy Father himself, and no fuss is made. The author wrote, “The Pope and his representatives do not choose to deny Communion as  a proper means to combat abortion.”

Bill Bandle

Manchester

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I wonder if that is changing and the bishops will need to start behaving in a manner more in line with the Church since now the proclamation will be coming from the Vatican.

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=13562

— SwizzleStick
2:08 pm August 20th, 2008

Also, if proclamations keep coming from Archbishop Burke while he is at the Vatican, that will pretty much put to rest the idea that he was promoted simply to make him go away and be quiet, eh? I find that to be an absurd thought anyway, since he has been promoted to such a high position in the Vatican and has simply been following the teachings of the Church all along, but maybe that will silence those who keep citing the “Peter principle” as reason for his promotion.

— SwizzleStick
3:26 pm August 20th, 2008

Another article, “Vatican says politicians who back abortion should be barred from Communion.”

http://www.religiousintelligence.co.uk/news/?NewsID=2529

— SwizzleStick
8:21 pm August 20th, 2008

Swizzle–

The proclamation will be coming from the Vatican ? Did I miss it ? Was Burke elected Pope ?

— HKCHAS
6:56 am August 21st, 2008

HKCHAS, I’m fairly certain that the Holy Father does not disagree with Archbishop Burke or else such proclamations would not continue to be issued. If they continue to be made once the Prefect of the Supreme Tribunal of the Apostolic Signature of the Holy See, Archbishop Raymond Burke, is completely settled in his new office in the Vatican, that will then certainly clarify the issue, yes? Also, how could the Pope disagree since Archbishop Burke is merely giving voice to Church teaching that certainly isn’t new?

— SwizzleStick
7:40 am August 21st, 2008

HKCHAS, I suspect you were just being flippant with your comment about the Archbishop and don’t really want a serious answer, but I’ll go with that as a serious thought anyway. An American Pope is generally considered to be a highly unlikely choice due to the fear that he would then too closely identify with U.S. policy (sort of a reverse of President Kennedy, since he said he would be President first and Catholic second, so that helped get him elected). An American Pope would have to be Pope first and American second and I guess there is a fear about whether that is possible or not. Perhaps such a fear would be unfounded with Archbishop Burke. He has already shown the courage to stand up for the Truth to politicians, singers, hospital boards, media, etc. and has not faltered. So, who knows what the future may hold for Archbishop (likely soon to be Cardinal) Burke. Perhaps the Papacy could possibly be in his future. Considering that he is the first American to be named Prefect of the Supreme Tribunal of the Apostolic Signature of the Holy See, why not consider that he might one day be the first American Pope?

— SwizzleStick
7:53 am August 21st, 2008

Swizzle–

I’ll wait till I see the white smoke.. and by the way isn’t a bit pretentious for US to make decisions for the Holy Father ?

— HKCHAS
2:00 pm August 21st, 2008

I’m not making any decisions for anyone, but the facts speak rather plainly and loudly. The Pope DID promote Archbishop Burke to one of the highest posts in the Vatican. Archbishop Burke recently reiterated his stance that Catholic abortion-supporting politicians should be denied Communion. Is is fair to say, as I did, that if the Holy Father has a problem with what Archbishop Burke has to say, we likely will not hear any more proclamations from Burke? However, if the Pope does like it, I’m sure we will be hearing more.

The article Mr. Bandle cited from July 2004 dates back to the days of John Paul II. Pope John Paul II and Pope Bendict’s styles are very different regarding handling of the sex abuse scandal. It would not be surprising to see that the two Popes also differ in handling wayward politicians and their views on abortion.

— SwizzleStick
2:15 pm August 21st, 2008

Swizz,

You have got to be either a priest or a nun or someone who has way too much time on their hands.

Why do you continue to protect this bum of an ex-Archbishop?

Wake up and smell the rose’s Swizz, Burke was sent to Rome for one reason and only one reason, he left two diocese in near shambles………The church is losing members, funds are down and this guy opens a 25 million dollar chapel, seems that money could have served a better purpose.

Lord have mercy on your mis-guided soul………..

— Sto LAt
2:24 pm August 21st, 2008

Archbishop Burke and his organist were two of the biggest Queens in St. Louis.

I’m sure the organist will miss the Archbishop

— QueenBee
2:28 pm August 21st, 2008

Sto,

You have got to be either a member of St. Stanislaus Corporaton or St. Cronan’s or someone who has way too much time on their hands to grumble about Archbishop Burke.

Why do you continue to protect this soon-to-be former priest, Bozek?

Wake up and smell the coffee, Sto, Bozek came to St. Stanislaus for one reason and only one reason, to leave it in shambles and render it unrecognizable as a Catholic parish OR to just take it from the Poles and claim it as his own and make it into whatever might suit his grand design and allow him to wear that bishop ring he bought. St. Stanislaus is losing Catholic members, adherence to Catholic teaching is down and this guy Bozek is being paid a lot more than priests who actually support the teachings of the Church.

Lord have mercy on your misguided soul.

— SwizzleStick
5:17 pm August 21st, 2008

Swizzle,

Close to a perfect parody of Sto’s writing. Your only glitch is that you didn’t misspell anything….

— Steve
6:26 pm August 21st, 2008

Swizz.

Can you and Sister Steve spell:

MORON

— Sto Lat
12:41 pm August 25th, 2008

As always, I remain very impressed with your repartee, Sto.

— SSK
7:02 am August 26th, 2008

Thanks SSk,

When dealing with a nitwit sometimes you must act like a nitwit to get to their level.

Steve seems to think I miss spell thing’s…I don’t believe that to be true, punctuation on the other hand is not my high point.

Steve will do whatever it takes to deflect the truth and shield Burke …….Why I don’t know unless Steve is Burkes organist

— Sto Lat
1:47 pm August 28th, 2008

“As always, I remain very impressed with your repartee, Sto.”

Hey, Sto, I was being facetious when I posted that. It is mild sarcasm, since you have yet to display any ability to engage in actual repartee. I guess the sarcasm was so mild that you missed it entirely.

You continue to show your class and good grace, though, Sto. Your statement: “…Steve will do whatever it takes to deflect the truth and shield Burke …….Why I don’t know unless Steve is Burkes organist.” Yes, your picking up where QueenBee left off quite illuminated your charity, your style, your sense and your good grace. As usual, you are very good at letting your true self shine through. Anyone who has been reading the blogs here for any length of time knows that about you.

By the way, Steve is correct as regards your statement: “Steve seems to think I miss spell thing’s.” Misspell is not spelled “miss spell” (and “things” does not need an apostrophe, which supports your own statement about punctuation not being your strength either). So, the fact that you misspell words is not the ONLY thing that Steve (or Mike or any other poster who supports the Catholic Church) is correct about. Think on that awhile, you might figure it out.

— SSK
7:43 am August 29th, 2008