The absolute lack of integrity in McCain and Palin’s smears of Obama are making the voters sick, and only help drive independents and some Republicans to vote for Obama. There’s a landslide comin’, you betcha!

http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/10/09/economy-economy-we-dont-need-no-stinking-economy/

Mr. Stoecklein,
Certainly, no one can make you believe anything you don’t want to believe. However, from everything I have been able to read and listen to Sen. Obama’s relationship with Mr. Ayers was that of acquaintance only. To say he was “chummy” with, or friends with, or that Mr. Ayers is somehow an advisor or mentor to Sen. Obama is, quite simply, a lie. Better investigators than anyone who inhabits these blogs have vetted Sen. Obama and found this to be an accurate portrayal of this relationship. Now, if you want to subscribe to the school of “say it enough and everyone will start to believe it” propaganda, much like the Karl Rove/George Bush crowd would do, be my guest.

Lisa12:

“Because Senator Obama recently served on a board of a charitable organization with Mr. Ayers cannot possibly link the senator to acts perpetrated by Mr. Ayers so many years ago.
– William C. Ibershof, Oct. 8, 2008″

Snuggling with Charles Manson would not link you to the acts he committed so many years ago but it could possibly bring into question your current character or mental stability.

“I AM AN ALASKAN, NOT AN AMERICAN. I have no use for America and her damned institutions. The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to MY HATRED OF THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT. And, I won’t be buried under her damned flag. I’ll be buried in Dawson. And when Alaska is an independent nation they can bring my bones home.”
– Joe Vogler, Founder of the Alaskan Independence Party”

I’m impressed Lisa, after sternly rebuking those who assume “guilt by association” it somehow creeps into the next post you make, linking Sarah Palin, if I’m allowed to paraphrase your William C. Ibershof, “to acts perpetrated by Mr. Palin so many years ago.” It is only Republicans who are not allowed to practice this disgusting action? Stick to bullying comments on Government Healtcare, yours tend to get stupid and ugly on other subjects.

I think the issue is the term “palling” or as you put it “chum around”. That sets up images of them doing beers and shots on Laclede’s landing. They were on a charity board together. A very respected charity. YEARS ago Ayers held a coffe for Obama. That seems to be the extent of their “palling” around. Even the paper who wrote the original article said they didn’t associate with each other. Barak was in first grade when the crimes were committed, so it seems to be a stretch to intimate he was involved.

The saddness is that this campaign has deteriorated to McCain saying Obama’s BAD. His followers chanting ” kill him ….”

And that’s no way to run a campaign.

Rich Brown:

“Please give me the guy who served on a board next to a former terrorist, now a college professor, and not the gal who has a proven record of abusing the power of office.”

Procurement is not our strong suit, Rich. If the guy who appeals to you serves on a board with a college professor, go for the gold. I assure you we will not force any gal of proven or otherwise records on you.

Sage–

I agree with you. NEITHER of the issues should ever be brought up again.

HKCHAS:

“Even the paper who wrote the original article said they didn’t associate with each other. Barak was in first grade when the crimes were committed, so it seems to be a stretch to intimate he was involved.”

Classic misdirection HK, nobody ever said Barack was directly involved in Ayers’ criminal conduct during his extensive stretch in the first grade, only that they were revolted by Obama’s kissing up to an evil klutz 25 years later.

Obama said he was 8 years old at the time of the crimes and you say he was a first grader. Had he failed sandbox and been held back twice? Most first graders are 6 or so

Sage –

For a moment I thought you had seen the light. “Guilt by association” is false logic. But it seems as if you didn’t…..Then the Palin Anti-American stuff is OK too, but wouldn’t it be a BETTER election if neither was lied about again ? Sorry, too, about the 1st grade gaff…. I, myself, was in first grade until I married the teacher. Guess I was 18 or 21 when I left.

Breathe deep Sage— November is ALMOST here…..

Give it a rest, it’s a non-issue. It’s been pointed out that pretty much every public figure in Illinois who has ever been involved in education reform has dealt with, talked to, or met with Bill Ayers. So what? Does that disqualify every Illinois politician from high office?

It seems to me that charges were dropped in his case some 35 years ago. He never stood trial, never was convicted of anything. I ask again, is being charged with a crime equivalent to a conviction? If so, I have a long list of big name Republican supporters who fall in that category who have tainted the political process on the Republican side of the aisle, not to mention convicted criminals who did their time, but are still held up as paragons of Republican Virtue like Ollie North and G. Gordon Liddy. You’re trying to have it both ways. If criminal charges make a person persona non grata to political candidates, then the rule better apply across the board, in equal measure to all candidates.

To Inaspastic Rage,

There is a QUALITATIVE DIFFERENCE, in serving on the board of a charitable organization with someone, and being a MEMBER and encouraging an organization whose aims and its leader advocate the hatred of and secession from the United States of America.

You say-”Snuggling with Charles Manson would not link you to the acts he committed so many years ago but it could possibly bring into question your current character or mental stability.” In reference to Ayers, so apply that same standard to Palin. She obviously has been influenced by the Alaska Independence Party and its leaders as she has addressed their convention and urged them to keep up the good work. Her censure for Abusing the Public Trust, yesterday is proof of her unfitness for office.

You also say-”Procurement is not our strong suit”. It’s hard to believe that as you pander to every right wing-nut on these threads. You pimp every gop talking point as fast as it comes down from Fox News. If you ever have an original thought, I’ll preserve it under glass for posterity or at least to shelter everyone from its odor.