Bob:

“You want a history lesson? FDR went to WW II with no choice, if you remember a little thing called Pearl Harbor left him no choice. Iraq was a war of choice.

As for the intelligence that all others saw, they saw a filter intelligence. Even the CIA admits that they were told not to include some information because it did not agree with the administrations view point. This eventually led to many of the top analyst quitting because they could not stand it anymore.”

How can you keep a straight face and say that everybody in an organization as big as the CIA is, or should be, of the same opinion? And if they’re not, all intelligence data should be discarded? Excuse my bluntness but that’s crazy Bob.

“Afghanistan and Iraq are two different wars. One had to do with 9/11, note the money people and planners were aided by the Taliban in Afghanistan. The other had nothing to do with 9/11 unless you wish to believe the mantra which was proven incorrect even before we went into Iraq. Note by the time we went in Bush was pushing the WMD line more than any other line.”

Excessive alcohol consumption has blurred your mind. Have you no memory of the mood of our country between 9/11/2001 and March 20, 2003? Every whacked out loopy in our country and their relatives in Canada were catatonic with rage because Bush didn’t connect the dots and prevent the sneak attack by genocidal maniacs. Had Bush chosen to not act and Saddam did have the WMD that every intelligence agency in the world concluded that he did, you might be wading through bodies up to your shoulder blades, howling to the Heavens, blaming Bush for not protecting us. Is that what you would rather have?

“As for our standing over seas. Look what they thought of us when Bush took over and what they think of us today. Bottom line he, severely damaged our foreign relations.”

Do Democrats automatically pass out Crazy Licenses or do they have to apply for them? Germany and France opposed US policy not because Bush damaged foreign relations but because Germany sold Iraq weapons and war technology while France lived high on the UN Oil for Food program, buying heavily discounted oil from Iraq and all funds for the program were handled through BNP Paribas bank in Paris, rather than the Iraqi government. Those corrupt governments whose affection you crave so desperately have been replaced in democratic elections by leaders more friendly to the US.

“Please learn history before you quote it.”

Good advice Bob, but you should take it as well as give it.

Fred-Seems we have a conflict of “facts:” http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/deaths.asp

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“How can you keep a straight face and say that everybody in an organization as big as the CIA is, or should be, of the same opinion? And if they’re not, all intelligence data should be discarded? Excuse my bluntness but that’s crazy Bob.”

Now it is my turn to ask how you can keep a straight face with your crazy comments. No everyone in an organization do not need to have the same opinion. However, there is a difference between a difference of opinion and throwing out opinion in order to shape the information to meet your preconceived idea’s. There was a large segment within the CIA if not the majority that disagreed with what Bush wanted to hear. There was the State Department Intelligence agency that disagreed with what Bush wanted to hear. Many of the documents Bush tried to use was debunked by British Intelligence service. Yet the administration filtered out much if not most of the information. Even at the time that Powell went before the UN the administration was trying to use such obviously wrong information Powell made them remove some of the most outrageous statements before he went before the UN.

“Had Bush chosen to not act and Saddam did have the WMD that every intelligence agency in the world concluded that he did, you might be wading through bodies up to your shoulder blades, howling to the Heavens, blaming Bush for not protecting us”

You started this by asking if I had to much to drink, thus the statements of someone who has no facts he just tries to demean the other person a true Conservative technique. Once again I point to my previous paragraph. You also can throw the UN in on this, they said that there was no weapons of mass destruction. It was the Bush administration talking about mushroom clouds that got the country going. You whip up the frenzy over the issue and then use that to say that the wackos would be after Bush if he did not take action. The WMD became the mantra when the more obvious attempt to link Iraq to 9/11 was easily proven to be false. Yet with all of that and no matter what experts on Iraq said no one wanted to believe that the Taliban and Bin Laden hated Iraq has much has they hated the US.

You poor poor person who continues hold onto the lies of the administration.

Since you asked about Democrats and the Crazy License, let me ask about the conservatives and their right to DENIAL. The support for the Iraq war brought down governments in Poland and Spain and almost did the same for Italy. It contributed heavily to the change in Britain. The only thing that saved the Italian government was the withdraw of their troops. In Britain the troop withdraw had already begun at the time of the change. Even today when France and Germany contribute they do so in Afghanistan were there is a connection to 911 and not Iraq.

I have learned history and you have learned to deny history when it is counter to what you wish to believe. I suggest you learn to analyze events and not just parrot back the conservative view point.

‘Excessive alcohol consumption has blurred your mind. Have you no memory of the mood of our country between 9/11/2001 and March 20, 2003? Every whacked out loopy in our country and their relatives in Canada were catatonic with rage because Bush didn’t connect the dots and prevent the sneak attack by genocidal maniacs. Had Bush chosen to not act and Saddam did have the WMD that every intelligence agency in the world concluded that he did, you might be wading through bodies up to your shoulder blades, howling to the Heavens, blaming Bush for not protecting us. Is that what you would rather have?’
— Iconoclastic unknowing-unwise Sage
9:27 pm December 3rd, 2008

unwise-no nothing-sage…
spoutin’ his venom, garbage and gobbledygook again…
he wants 4 more years of king george…

no more king george at the mike…

“Our nation must come together to unite.”—Tampa, Fla., June 4, 2001
“Africa is a nation that suffers from incredible disease.”—Gothenburg, Sweden, June 14, 2001
“How did you feel when you stood up in front of the people for the State of the Union Address—state of the budget address, whatever you call it.”—Interview with the Washington Post, March 9, 2001
“Those of us who spent time in the agricultural sector and in the heartland, we understand how unfair the death penalty is.”—Omaha, Neb., Feb. 28, 2001
“You teach a child to read, and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test.”—Townsend, Tenn., Feb. 21, 2001
“I do remain confident in Linda. She’ll make a fine labor secretary. From what I’ve read in the press accounts, she’s perfectly qualified.”—Austin, Texas, Jan. 8, 2001
“They want the federal government controlling Social Security like it’s some kind of federal program.”—St. Charles, Mo., Nov. 2, 2000
“Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream.”—LaCrosse, Wis., Oct. 18, 2000
“I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully.”—Saginaw, Mich., Sept. 29, 2000
“It is clear our nation is reliant upon big foreign oil. More and more of our imports come from overseas.”—Beaverton, Ore., Sep. 25, 2000
“We cannot let terrorists and rogue nations hold this nation hostile or hold our allies hostile.”—Ibid.
“I think we agree, the past is over.”—On his meeting with John McCain, Dallas Morning News, May 10, 2000
“We ought to make the pie higher.”—South Carolina Republican Debate, Feb. 15, 2000
“I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family.”—Greater Nashua, N.H., Chamber of Commerce, Jan. 27, 2000
“Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?”—Florence, S.C., Jan. 11, 2000

4 more years of ‘rummy’ and ‘cheney’…
or ‘turkey palin’…

thank goodness he and the other neocons on this blog are in the minority…
the young people of this great country spoke on Nov. the 4th…
decidedly for President Obama…
they are our future…
and the future looks bright.
it can’t get much worse than what king george and the boys have schemed and done to our great country.
no more neo-conservative policies and strategies…
no more helping the wealthy born-wells and married-wells take advantage and screwin’ the middle class…
after 7 ½ years of total hot air, gibberish and baloney (‘we know exactly where the WMD’s are’, ‘Mission Accomplished’, katrina-“you’re doin’ a hell of a job, brownie”, ‘it’s all Clinton’s fault’, ‘we are winning in Iraq’, joe the plumber…)
there’s hope for this great country of ours again.

Even though I regard Barack Obama as a rational, decent guy, I did’nt vote for him out of concern that his administration would be too inclined to pander to irrational left-wing nuts like Paul Thompson who think that the U.S. has somehow lost its “honor” while taking the lead (however imperfectly) in protecting the world from Moslem extremism. I also didn’t vote for McCain out of concern that his administration (starting with Palin) would continue the Bush Administration’s tendency to promote its own view of (Christian) religion above science and logic.

The message for both political extremes is that if you want centrists to support your candidates, and thereby win future elections, you had better either get real or at least tone down your public rhetoric.

Bob

I am filled with hatred of stupid people. Not just the clown who wrote that post, but stupid right wing nuts as well. They are unmoving, jaded, and could careless about our country. They don’t listen to an opposing argument. Instead they try to keep you from saying your piece. My hatred is not devisive. It is my frustration of those who would divide us with thier hatred that makes me hate filled. Yet my hatred is short lived while thiers continues.

As far as FDR you missed my point. Jumping into a war can put you initially at a disadvantage, and things take time to start clicking. I think the thought of how easy desert storm was what made him decide to jump in and we found ourselves in a bit of a mess. Remember not having all the gear our soldiers needed. That presented a problem, but thing are going much smoother there, and we are winning. Still this is the middleeast, and even if or when we win it won’t stay that way unless we stay there forever. Unfortunately, that is not the democratic argument. They think we’ve been there too long. I don’t know about that. All I know is if we pull out it should be done silently. Afganistan was a military action. I do not recall it being called war. You are correct about afgan and 9/11 vs Iraq, although I’m not sure how that came up.