I’m not sure about one of your claims, John. I don’t think all consensual sex between adults is legal in Missouri. At least it used to not be. Missouri relatively recently had a law against sodomy on the books, which outlawed certain activities I’m sure a lot of couples engage in. Uh, is there a lawyer or police officer in the room?

Lawrence v texas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_v._Texas

pretty much invalidated the anti-sodomy laws.

Simian

Great points John!!! I grow tired of the nanny government. Our government used to watch out for the people, now, they watch the people. Vice laws are antiquated remnants of our theocratic founding quakers.

Vice is not crime.

Thanks, Simian.

JAJ>We may not like what the couple next door is
JAJ>doing, but it is ultimately none of our damned business.

Well, I suppose somebody had to do it…

First let me state that I’m for legalization of most
drugs-of-abuse.

That said, the above analogy is totally crippled.

If the couple next door like to do sodomy and it makes
us sick to our stomachs to think about it, that’s our
problem. It has zero effect on anything they do outside
the confines of their own bedroom, save perhaps increasing
the sales of water-based non-toxic lubricant gels…

Of course if they like to look at pictures of children
in adult sexual situations, that does affect the rest of
society since some child had to be used in an illegal
and exploitive/abusive way to produce that which they
use in the privacy of their own bedroom. I just thought
I’d throw that in there while we’re making everyone think
about totally disgusting things.

Society regulates and at this point bans the recreational and
most therapeutic use of marijuana because it does have effects
on the CNS which are believed (wrongly, as far as I’m concerned)
to put people at-risk who are driving on the road with the person
who has used it. I’d rather be driving next to someone who has just
used marijuana than someone who didn’t get enough sleep two days
ago. So far only professional drivers of vehicles with a huge
potential for destructive force are even technically under scrutiny
for the issue of sleep deprivation.

On to the real reason that marijuana and some other controlled substances are kept illegal.
society has an interest in protecting beer wine and liquor as the
officially-approved social inebriants. Those are easily taxable because
most people could not produce their own in a quality which they’d
prefer to use. A similar thing could be said for tobacco products.

Marijuana is classed as a “rank weed”. Most of it that’s found in
that situation is of no value as a social inebriant, but the strains
which are will grow almost as easily and anyone could grow some of
those strains on their apartment balcony in containers in amounts
which would keep them more at-ease and relaxed in social situations
to the full extent of anyone’s reasonable need.

That would be impossible to derive tax revenues (and jobs too)
out of to the extent same can be derived from the beer, wine and
liquor industry. That’s a legitimate public interest, though I don’t
agree it ought to be pursued. I’m all for making life as cheap
and making individuals as self-reliant as they’re willing to be.

Try to tell that to a former AB and now Inbev employee who might
lose his job, a congressman who would have less money with which to
bribe voters or the BATF agent who’d get laid off.

That last guy might kill you over that issue–just ask a surviving
member of the Vernon Howell branch of the Seventh Day Adventists…

The above vested interests don’t give a damn whether or not you suffer
a hangover.

It’s also none of anyone’s business if someone’s got a firearm
concealed on their person, but almost every state at least regulates it,
and some still have a total ban–including that most corrupt state in the union (according to Federal Bureau of Immolation investigators…)

It’s none of your business because anyone who’s going to conceal
a weapon readily capable of lethal use on or about his or her person
for nefarious purposes which break the law is not going to be deterred
from doing it by some state statute against that anyway, it only applies
and is applied against those who pose no threat.

It’s so typical someone who interests themselves in public discourse
in this area would use some digusting unwholesome sexual practice
as their cause celebre rather than a much-maligned Self Evident
Right of Man which is much-maligned and still being violated in some
venues with complete impunity…

Just imagine if you had to get a certain number of hours of training and then be licensed before you were allowed to behave like Bill Clinton or Barney Frank…

And it’s always Conservatives trying to force their idea of what society should be down our throats. Look at the FCC fiasco with JJ”s boob or the fight it took because a handful of christian whackos were able to better organize against legalizing gaming in MO.

The fact that marijuana is still illegal just shows you that alcohol has better lobbyists in Washington then those that espouse marijuana use. The fact is, alcohol was, is, and always will be a more insidious drug then THC ever could be.

Do what you want to do in the privacy of your own home and let me do what I want to do…if I ain’t bugging you, then leave me alone.

“It’s always Conservatives trying to force their idea of what society should be down our throats.”

Do you remember whether it was a conservative or a progressive who said, “it is our moral obligation to provide health care for all” and who it is that is cramming that idea of society down our throats?

I agree with you that individuals shouldn’t be forced to do anything (except restrained from forcing others to do things) but a giant progressive socialist government robs you of freedom as much or more than any so called conservative government — at least be consistent.