If any firm in the nation had employees as dishonest, self serving and incompetent as most members of Congress, they would undoubtedly go out of business. Since that won’t happen and they DO work for us, we should fire them all.

Democrats will make excuses for Carnahan just like the Democrats will make excuses for Dodd. As you said, Obama will skate too. Voters just dont have the guts to make these people responsible.

As they say, we get the government we deserve.

Dave–

Yes we do . We deserve elected officials who will get us out of this mess. And it looks like we have them

HKCHAS, can I have some of that kool-aid you are drinking? Maybe the halucinogenic episodes will allow me to see the world through your eyes.

Strawberry fields forever!!!

Tango

Taking the kool-aide is better than living on eternal ignorance like you do.

hkchas,
“We deserve elected officials who will get us out of this mess. And it looks like we have them”

Where are they? Lies, broken promises, tax cheats, etccc, that’s what we have now. Are you libs really that desparate for a handout from the movers and shakers of this country? Good God, man, get off your arses and make your own fortunes. Get mad at congress and BHO, they are the ones that have created this current mess; congress the last 2 years and BHO carrying the torch.

Tango & Bud

The only Kool-Aid on the shelf is Republican flavored ( and I promise NEVER to use that hackneyed phrase again)

So drink up

budb…

You say congress created this problem the last 2 years, yet the economist say this all started in October - December of 2007. So if any congress created the problem it was the 2000- 2006 congress. My god man get your head out your arse and see that the problems came from the conservatives

Need I say more. Dodd lied about the language in the bill and as usual, excuses are there. I find in sick that these politicians that got everyone all fired up over AIG and in the meantime They just printed 1 trillion dollars without announcing a thing.

They lie and they get away with it. Sick!

Superdave

I find it sick that people can run companies into the ground, cost thousands their jobs, then walk away with millions.

Bob, I agree with you. However, why dont you use that same anger toward these pathetic politicians too. Why is it that the “government” was there to protect us from these guys but these same politicians are the exact same ones to fix it? Dodd and Frank should be run out of town for starters. Look at that mess that they started with the AIG execs when Dodd put the language in there himself, and then blamed it on Obama. So, they both skate? How does that work?

SuperDumbDave…in almost all your posts, you say…”Need I say more?” I say, “Hell, NO!” Shut your yap you idiotic hypocritical moron. Did your wife get her government paycheck this month? How about your medical benefits? Did you get those this month too? How can you allow your wife to work for an education system that you hate so much? How can you? Oh, yeah, I know why….because you are a HYPOCRITE….and you must not be able to support your family on your own. You are the most worthless talk out of both sides of your mouth chump on this site.

amen

Listen you worthless little Obama twit. Either learn to be respectful or dont post.

Feel lucky that she is nice enough to substitute teach. She doesnt have to. She does it for the kids. So stay off of her. You are on pathetic foul mouthed brat and should be quashed like the cockroach that you are. I am quite confident that you offer nothing positive in life, and people like you are the reason this country is where it is today.

So, if you cant debate the issues then go away. I have to pay extra taxes to support your useless butt as it is. At least be thankful for that! We pay taxes to support you to go to school and probably all the free government programs you are on. To this day, I have never taken anything from this government. However, I have paid for useless people like to breathe. Maybe I am wrong for doing that. Now, learn to be respectful!!!

Amen some more!

We are in this mess because Ronmald Reagan, as the patron saint of de-regulation and GOP stupidity, started us off with de-regulating the S&Ls and we got taken for $555 billion. Then came the next round of stupidity where Phil Gramm and his super-neocon acolytes kept derivatives from being regulated and broke down the barriers between banks/insurers/securities traders that we put into place after the Great Depression.

Now the very unregulated and unscrutinized credit default swaps and other derivatives which caused this financial crisis are still unregulated, and so-called “securitization” is still in favor with Wall Street. Now we got $870 billion and counting we’re on the hook for because of GOP stupidity and Wall Street greed.

So, yappers, your recipe is “more of the same” and we’re supposed to think you’re anything other than absolutely insane?

When there are no demand inputs, no new investment, no new capital infusions, there is only one place to put money into play to stimulate the economy; from the government! Yapper talk about corporate tax rate reduction when most of the wealthy corporations already pay no tax is insane. Cutting capital gains when there are no capital gains is insane. You people are insane, shaddup! If we fail, it will not be for any lack of effort or willingness to try new ideas. If all you have is “NO!”, get out of the way!

Bob:

“Taking the kool-aide is better than living on eternal ignorance like you do.” and “You say congress created this problem the last 2 years, yet the economist say this all started in October - December of 2007. So if any congress created the problem it was the 2000- 2006 congress. My god man get your head out your arse and see that the problems came from the conservatives”

There are several possible causes for your timeline problems, the Dyslexic Democrat Calendar begins with the current date and regresses to earlier periods as the pages are turned forward or torn off.

A Congress that accepted the responsibilities of office during the first week of January 2007 COULD have certainly screwed up the economy by October - December of that same year. No bills are carried over from one Congress to another yet you irrationally assert that the outgoing majority at the end of 2006 maintained a sort of influential or Svengali influence on the innocent Democrats elected to replace them.

I urge you to visit a psychiatric clinic for skull tapping tests with an industrial strength patella hammer, your knee jerk reaction to blame Conservatives may be a symptom of either Paranoid Schizophrenia or Dementia Praecox. They are not healthy situations.

Man, the liberal nut jobs are out in numbers on this one and the one from Al Dorn.
Sounds like you idiots are pround that Obama and the liberal congress is destroying the country, the stock market and causing higher unemployment. Jimmy Carter never looked so friggin’ good. Hyper inflation is well on the way and higher unemployment. Taxes will be going up for all, when the idiots Cap and Trade bill kicks in, and the $8 per week tax cut will be gone, plus a lot more out of your pocket book. Yep, damn good job by the Messiah with leading the dummies to socialism.
You liberal idiots need to wake up.

Some of the dems are even questioning “The Chosen One”.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2009/03/23/sen-bill-nelson-on-obama-budget-need-to-rework-this-whole-thing/

All American

The libs could care less. All they want is handouts.

This sounds a lot like Chavez seizing everything. “The Messiah” needs to be stopped from doing this crap.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/23/AR2009032302830_pf.html

magnum

The libs do care. That is why we are trying to keep conservatives like you from running the country into the ground like your policies have the past 8 years.

Geithner and Bernanke are to be “scolded” by congress today. Whoopee. I can hear Barney Fwank now, “No recess this afternoon for you two boys,”.
What a joke! They didn’t even commit any crimes, that’s the funny thing.
So, it must be an attempt to cover up either ignorance or stupidity. They wanted to hook up AIG in particular, hmmmmmmm, they inserted bonus language, hmmmmm, BHO signed it into law. (Dodd ammend). They all claimed to know nothing of bonuses, all changed their tunes when recorded records said different and the blame game began. Hope and change is changing to scandal and rage.

Oh sure Bob, put the blame on conservatives.

Obama just about killed the stock market. It did rebound a little yesterday, since he didn’t open his mouth.

Obama wants to seize some firms. Sounds like socialism and Chavez.

Obama wants Cap and Trade to take more money out of our pockets because of a left wing liberal friggin’ HOAX. Global warming.

Obama wants the upper 2% of tax payers to pay for the other 98% of the country. Won’t work and you know it.

Obama wants to increase the welfare state, for the lazy liberals.

Obama wants unfettered abortions, including infaticide.

Obama said NO lobbyists in his administration. Lie, at least a dozen.

Obama said NO earmarks in budgets. Lie, 8700 of them.

Obama said he would go over a bill line by line. Lie, didn’t even read it.

Obama said he would have a final bill posted on the net for 5 days. Lie, not even 48 hours.

Bob, should I keep listing his damn lies and his desires to socialize this country? If this is straightening out the country, I would hate to see a march for complete control control of the citizesns and businesses, and further destruction of our economy.

Liberals make me want to PUKE.

— magnum
“Liberals make me want to PUKE.”
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so do it
then lap it up like you do Rush’s puke
you’re a pro at that

magnum, you are right on the money. The Kenyan promised his Socialist followers that he was going to have a gov’t “for the people, by the people” but he’s just creating a gov’t for the peons and governed by the ruling class.

To defend Osama Hussein’s policies shows just how out of touch from reality these people are, especially after all of the lies he’s told already.

This guy tried to warn you.

Stanford Everhart, a Democratic opposition research firm hired by 3rd Congressional District candidate Steve Stoll, uses a blog to discuss their candidates’ races and promote Democratic causes. Unlike most firms, whose websites are password-protected and accessible only to clients, Stanford Everhart chose to make their blog available to the public. The blog has been none too kind in their description of Russ Carnahan, repeatedly tagging “The Fire’s” dimmest ember as a “lightweight doofus.”

The topic means nothing to you regulars here. The Left blames the right and the right blames the left. Each trying to outdo the other in their insults. I hear better arguments from 4th graders. If you all think that only one party is to blame here then you’re all kool-aid drinkers and years from now you’ll all be in the exact same place. There has to be some comon ground here with everyone so mad. I personally believe NO incumbent should be re-elected for a long long time until Govt. starts to work for us instead of see what they can get away with.

Socoboy
Got too agree one hundred percent. I have been reading here a few months now. There are already rants and raves by the extremest on both sides I do not even read any more, because you know what they will say just by looking at the name. If we can not begin to have discussions about the merits of Ideas instead of the lame name calling and finger pointing then
I will not be reading here very much longer.

“DETAILS THE ‘TEA PARTIES’ OVERLOOK…. I’d kind of forgotten about it, but apparently, far-right activists continue to organize “Tea Party” rallies and talk about “Going Galt.” It’s a little right-wing fad that hasn’t quite gone away, as evidenced by this Orlando get together over the weekend. A local radio host, who helped make the event happen, called it a historic gathering of 4,000 “God-fearing patriots.”

Reading over some of the quotes from attendees, one starts to get a sense of what’s bothering these folks. For example, they don’t like government spending. Or deficits. Or stimulus efforts. Some wanted to argue that Bush isn’t to blame for the economic crisis. Others wanted to see the Federal Reserve eliminated altogether.

Perhaps the most striking quote came from a local man who’d recently lost his job at an electrical-equipment company. He wants to see the federal government spend less on economic recovery and focus more on “my grandchildren’s money.”

Oh my.

Outside the Beltway’s Alex Knapp, a libertarian, took a look at some of these events and came up with some important observations. Knapp noted, for example, the fact that most “Tea Party” participants will get a tax cut from Obama, so it’s kind of difficult to believe them when they say they feel put upon. For that matter, “Tea Party” cheerleaders didn’t mind excessive government spending when it was going to an unnecessary war in Iraq. He concluded:

Let’s call the “tea party” and “going Galt” nonsense what it is: unprincipled partisan hackery. If these were truly principled protests, they’d have been around all through the Bush and Republican-controlled Congress years, too.

Quite right. It’s no doubt inconvenient for this crowd, but a Republican Congress and Republican White House worked together to increase the debt by $5 trillion, expand the size of government, increase spending, increase the tax burden on the middle class, and expand the powers of the executive to undermine civil liberties. The some people attending “Tea Parties” not only cheered these GOP policymakers on, but voted to keep them in office as long as possible. (Indeed, many condemned those who disagreed, accusing liberals of “treason” for failing to support elected leaders during a crisis.)

Literally just two months into a Democratic administration, far-right activists are now holding public protests? They’re mad about deficits and a loss of “liberty”?

I almost feel sorry for the folks who get conned into believing this nonsense.”
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/tea_parties_going_galt_iraq_and_delicious_irony/

—Steve Benen

SoCoBoy, there will be no common ground during the Obama Administration. Thus far, he has been divisive in his actions. From no transparency in the stimulus rollout to no transparency with his so-called “blue-ribbon” economic advisory board who meet in private, his handling of the economy has been a one-sided, liberal mess. He works no weekends, has cocktail parties every Wednesday night, goes on Leno, and plans his NCAA picks in the White House Map Room. This President is way over his head.

The fall-out from the rush to pass the stimulus bill will continue. These same idiots who voted for the bill didn’t read the part that said that AIG Excecutives will be getting their bonuses…so they have to go back and pass a bill to get the money back. What else do you think they missed?? Plenty..and we’ll see that as the days continue.

You liberals have no plan but to pump trillions of dollars into your own social programs..hoping that 2 million jobs or more will be created. What you fail to see is that your own paycheck may increase by $18 initally but will take a huge hit in the coming years due to your ignorance of how the economy works or what is hidden in the “stimulus” bill. Check out how much money we’ll all be paying when Cap and Trade is in full force.

Yep..the rush to pass the stimulus bill will have repercutions for many years to come.

This really struck me…

“The folks in the blogosphere largely cheerleading the Tea Parties are the same folks in the blogosphere who cheerleaded the war in Iraq. So apparently, government intervention to the tune of $650 Billion is okay to spend when it comes to an unnecessary war that in no way advances American interests, but not okay when it comes to building bridges, cutting taxes, helping state governments meet budget shortfalls, or making sure that Americans don’t get covered in lava. Gotcha.”

Bobby Jindahl, stand up and be recognized…

…good news for the administration.

Despite the middling reviews for his handling of the bonuses, however, the president continues to get high marks overall for his job performance and his handling of the economy.

Forty-two percent of those surveyed disapprove of the president’s handling of the AIG bonuses, while roughly the same percentage — 41 percent — approve. Another 17 percent don’t know or aren’t sure.

Yet President Obama’s overall job performance rating appears unaffected by the AIG fallout. Sixty-four percent approve of the president’s performance, roughly the same as last week.

And ratings for the president’s handling of the overall economy are actually up slightly: Sixty-one percent now approve, up from 56 percent last week.

The CBS News poll suggests there’s a reasonable explanation for the seemingly contradictory results: Americans disapprove of the AIG bonuses, and would have liked to see the administration block them, but voters don’t hold the administration responsible for the payments.

The same poll found that Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, despite a week of fairly intense criticism, still fares relatively well with the public, with a majority (54%) expressing some level of confidence in Geithner. The results, though, showed a considerable partisan divide — Democrats back Geithner (69% have confidence in him), Republicans don’t (35% have confidence), and Independents are closer to the poll’s top line (51%).

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_03/017422.php

and lest we forget, when passing the TARP bill, President George W. Bush stripped a provision from it prohibiting bonuses for banking executives…

magnum

Let us talk about the conservatives successes.

You say “Obama just about killed the stock market. It did rebound a little yesterday” YES LET US FORGET ABOUT THE 6000 POINT DROP DURING THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION

You say “Obama wants to seize some firms.”. IF THIS HAD HAPPENED IT WOULD HAVE BEEN FIRMS YOU GUYS RAN INTO THE GROUND

You say “Obama wants Cap and Trade to take more money out of our pockets because of a left wing liberal friggin’ HOAX. Global warming.” IF THIS IS A HOAX THEN THE REST OF THE WORLD EXCEPT FOR CHINA AND INDIA IS BUYING INTO IT. OF COURSE YOU CLOSED MIND CONSERVATIVES ARE SIDING WITH THE COMMUNIST ON THIS ONE.

You say “Obama wants the upper 2% of tax payers to pay for the other 98% of the country. Won’t work and you know it.” EVERY TIME YOU START THIS CRP YOUR NUMBERS GET SMALLER AND SMALLER SOON IT WILL BE DOWN TO THE TOP 1%, YET TAX RATES WOULD GO BACK TO A LOWER RATE THAN DURING REAGAN

You say “Obama wants to increase the welfare state, for the lazy liberals.” IF THIS HAPPENS IT WILL BE BECAUSE YOU CONSERVATIVES HAVE DRIVEN THE CORPORATIONS INTO THE GROUND

You say “Obama wants unfettered abortions, including infaticide.” YEP THE SUPREME COURT DESCISION ROE V WADE WAS OBAMA, CUT THE ABORTIONS IN HALF TELL THE CONSERVATIVES GETTING THEM TO STOP

You said “Obama said NO earmarks in budgets. Lie, 8700 of them.” HE CANNOT VETO EARMARKS TELL MCCORMACK, REPUB SENATOR FROM KENTUCKY, TO GET HIS LEADING NUMBER OF EARMARKS OUT OR LINDSEY GRAHAM, REPUB SENATOR FOR SOUTCH CAROLINA, TO GET HIS 35 EARMARKS OUT. THEY SHOULD EITHER GET THEM OUT OR STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT THE NUMBER OF EARMARKS.

You Conservatives are pathetic on your best day.

Bob, Let’s say it’s 25% of the top earners instead of 2%. You’re OK with that? Why should taxes not be spread across the entire board? Unless you believe one day we should all get everything for free and none of us should have to work, then why shouldn’t everyone pay something in?

SoCo

Lets start with $27,000. This was a number given to me by a conservative who was advocating the flat tax. According to him a family of four buying just the essentials, we are not talking about a tv or cable etc just essentitals, they need $27,000.

This $27000 is funny because the poverty level today is about $22,000 and minimum wage for working 2000 hours a year would bring you $14,000. So someone can be above the poverty level and still not be able to afford essentials. I am assuming the essentials include minimum transportation, i.e. enough transport to get to and from work and the kids get to school and transport to get to and from the store.

So if someone with a family of 4 is making $27,000 how much should they pay and then how do they obtain the essentials? Someone making between say $27,000 and $35,000 do not have much room for error. How much tax should these people pay? Someone making $30,000 a year can only pay $3,000 before they can only afford the essentials.

The funny thing is that these are the people that because of the hard times need the food stamps and unemployment insurance and help with housing. Yet these are also the people you hear conservatives talking about being a drain on society and feeding off of the the government.

D.Sims,

Building Bridges to nowhere? Democrates have NEVER cut taxes. How about states learning to work within the confines of their budgets. Does it not make you wonder that the 3 states most heavily in debt are California (40+ Billion) Illinois (11 Billion) and New York. These states have been run by Democrats for how long? And you lost me on the Lava thing.

Bob
You may educated with books, but you are a complete dips**t. Answer the mans questions and stop with the crap. Yeah baby, twist them words.

slim

I would rather be what you just called me than what you are, which is something so low that they have yet to find a word disgusting enough to describe what you are.

I did answer the question if $27,000 is needed, as described by a conservative, how much taxes can they pay before they cannot buy essentials. You evidently believe you are a math wizard so tell us how much can they pay?

Bob

You need to remember when the market started to drop. After the dems took control of congress.

So you are ok with Obama being a Chavez wanna be, and start seizing cpmpanies. How about he seize the oil companies, all the utility companies and anything else his corrupt heart desires?

The earth has been COOLING since 1998. Yes, it’s a friggin’ HOAX.

2% is your Messiah’s percentage. Ok, just as SoCoBoy asks, the top 25%. By taxing the top 25% more, how in the freakin’ world, can they support the other 75%?

The Obama welfare state, is his socialistic desire to control everything we do, and dictate how much money any person is able to make.

Yes Bob, unfettered abortions here and around the world. We should not be paying for it!!!

He cannot veto earmarks is correct, but by god, he can VETO the damn bill until the earmarks are taken out.

Bob you and your liberals, are the pathetic ones, every day.

Magnum

The maker pf puke who though does recycle and use it for brains.

Yes I know the market dropped after Obama took over and I know it is almost back to the starting point. You seem to want to only count from Obama taking over, that allows you to be able to ignore the 6,000 point drop in 18 months under Bush.

I suggest you move to Kansas they also wish to ignore science, I hear they have just started debating whether it is feasible to have powered air flight. So far they are siding with the idea that man will never fly.

Once again if you do not want abortions, then you could start by stopping the conservatives from getting them, that would be a dramatic drop.

Once again on the earmarks, we would have a lot fewer if the conservatives would stop putting in earmarks then complaining about the earmarks.

I would say that the conservatives are pathetic, but then you guys are just to funny. You do a lot for the nation in these times by keeping our moral up as we laugh at you.

Bob, do you know of a family of 4 living on $27K a year without additional assistance?

Bob,

I believe if we have a single wage earner trying to support a family of 4 on minimum wage then no amount of taxes is going to help that scenario. However we’ll go with your family of 4. Now a another working guy who happens to have worked hard and started his own business, let’s say he’s an electrical contractor. He hires union and he puts in 50, 60 or more hours a week to make his business work. I believe most people reading this would agree that taking from the electrical contractor to give to the guy who for some reason can’t find a job above minimum wage is not what the Gov’t should be doing. The issue is (and my bad for posing the question) not how much can the minimum wage earner pay. But how do you justify taking (after Fed, state, social security, FICA, and all other taxes) 50% of what the guy earns? That is the real question I should have asked.

Bob
“You do a lot for the nation in these times by keeping our moral up as we laugh at you.”

It’s not fun either, is it Bob? We heard it for almost 8 damn years from you liberals. You aholes blew everything out of proportion. Called our troops murders, while they were protecting this country. Well they were cleared at a Courts Martial. Your buddy Reid saying the war is lost, while troops in harms way. Great fu**ing choice of words. Blowing Abu Ghrab (sp) out of proportion with daily front page stories from the Obama New York Times. That caused more of our troops to die.

No thanks Bob, Tiller the baby killer is from Kansas, and he needs to go to jail for a long long time. Google his name, find out how many partial birth abortions he has performed.

Get a freakin’ clue, before we go the way of the Roman Empire. Your as sick as STL.

SoCoBoy

First I will use a term that a good conservative used on me once, Life is Not Fair.

Now Let us say your electric contractor makes $100,000 with a family of 4 and the other person makes $27,000 with a family of 4. By the way I am not even saying it is one person in the family of 4 working. If you have 2 wage earners making minimum wage they will make just a bit more than $27000 on 2000 hours of work each.

Lets put the flat tax in and they each pay 15%. The contractor pays $15,000 and the lower income family pays $3050. Now you should be happy they each paid the same percentage.

However, now the lower income family is $3050 short of enough money to buy the minimum needs. once again we are not talking about buying a TV or cable or a cell phone etc. So now, do you tell them to bad? Do you tell them to not eat for a month? Perhaps you point out several nice park benches that they can sleep on.

Do you do any of the above? Or do you provide help for the minimum needs? If so what have you gained by taking $3050 in taxes if you provide $3050 in aid? In fact you increased the cost by first paying to collect the income and then paid to administer the aid.

So SOCO what do you do?

Magnum

So you are saying that you are doing what we did for 8 years?

So you say you are blowing things out of proportion. Interesting.

Who said Ried was my friend, are you making an a** out of U, By assuming?

I did not see anyone calling the troops murders from the liberal side. I saw plenty of conservatives claiming we did. Most of that was based on Murtha in an interview talking about confusing rules of engagement that sometimes have our troops going further than they should. However, even there Murtha was not talking about the troops actions but rather that the Bush administration was giving confusing orders that kept them from knowing what action to take.

My oh my the Roman Empire. The Roman Empire lasted almost a thousand years. So you do not want the US to last at least 1000 years?

Get a clue maybe you can update your think to at least 1900.

Bob

No, we are not blowing things out of proportion or bitching about the same things you libs were and still are. Just look at the stock market and unemployment, and the inflation is coming. Good ole Jimmy Carter days times 10.

Jack Murtha called our troops murderers, or have you forgotten? Yep, twist his words, like you twist others. Your good at it.

Yes Bob, the Roman Empire. This country won’t last that long with liberals in charge of anything, taxing everyone to death that will actually go out and work.

Come on Bob, how can 25% support the other 75%?

Bob

Here is Murtha http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/story?id=2013939.

Tell me now, his statement “”worse than Abu Ghraib,” calling their actions war crimes committed “in cold blood”. You don’t wound in cold blood or hurt in cold blood. You freakin’ murder in cold blood. Now stop twisting what that ass Murtha said.

Bob:

Are you sub-contracting your responses out to SPP6118 and STL? Your harangues have gone from unreasonably loony to irrational cuckoo. Thank you for not using Tim Hogan and llbean for this purpose, like you, we tire of their thoughtless repetition.

Bob

Here is another statement from the same article, since you probably won’t read it.

“”I will not excuse murder and that what’s happened,” Murtha told ABC News chief Washington correspondent George Stephanopoulos. “This investigation should have been over two or three weeks after the incident.”

Now Bob, stop your damn lies.

— Iconoclastic Sage
“Are you sub-contracting your responses out to SPP6118 and STL?”
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You are the only one I know of that has been convicted of highjacking other’s handles and posting as them.

Sage,

AMEN! Without a doubt some of these as you pointed out are certifiable nuts. I think Bob needs to find a job. He is beginning to sound just like them.

Those people are as objective as Hitler was. Come to speak of it, did you notice the comparisons they have been making with Hitler and his followers? It really is quite unbelievable. As I always have said, it’s like leading the sheep to the slaughter. Whats worse it that many of them start running for the slaughter without help. Amazing!

Approval rating DOWN to 50%.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

Slim

Thanks for link. The best part is that only 36% strongly agree with his socialist iseas. Sweet!

When hyperinflation hits, it won’t matter if you are a Democrat or Republican, because a real depression is coming within a year, and it’s going to be a real life “Lord of the Flies” scenario. I laugh at the people who think we are in a “depression” right now. Listen, when you can drive by countless restaurants on a Monday night and there isn’t one available parking space…we aren’t in a depression.
However, when the depression really begins due to reckless spending by Congress and Obama, it will be amusing to see unprepared, desperate and broke Obama worshipers lining up in front of the White House singing “Yes, Yes, Yes, we can…Yes, Yes, Yes, we can!” like sad little robots begging for a handout
Let’s face it, the majority of Liberals got caught up in the emotion and rhetoric of the Teleprompter Talisman - he’s no savior, just a pathetic Community Organizer who hasn’t run a business or created wealth in any way shape or form in his 48 years on earth. What a sad, skinny little man

Are you prepared for the coming storm? I am

Gaucho

I would say the majority of conservatives are ready for the Obama depression. Only those that are blind cannot see it coming. Yes we can, yes we can. Yeah, right.

Magnum

So you level headed conservatives are not blowing the whole thing out of proportion. Yet you want to look at the unemployment since Obama came into office but ignore the unemployment that occurred prior to that. You want to look at the 1700 point drop since Obama came to office, of which 1000 have been recovered. Yet you wish to ignore the 6000 points lost under Bush, which none were recovered.

I read the article, and he said they might have killed some civilians. May I also point out that since that article was published several marines have been convicted by the military for killing the civilians. So are you saying the military is lying?

Where are you getting 25% from? I paid taxes last year and I am not in the top 25% for last year.

So magnum stop ignoring the truth and perhaps move your knowledge up to at least 1850’s.

slim

Nice link, except Pew has Obama at 59% and Gallop has him at 61%. They also show most of not all of his loss was among conservatives. Who were kicked out of office by the rest of the country.

Superdave

Even for you you are lower than low when you start comparing people to Hitler. Yes compare people to Hitler then go crying because the press did not treat Palin like the way you wish. Yes superdave be objective by calling people Facist. Of course Hitler is placed on the right wing of the political spectrum.

The crying superdave oh let me call people names but better not pick on my candidate other wise I will call foul and cry some more.

sage

Nope I just decided that I have had it with the loopie right wing who cry and cry oh our candidate was not treated fair, meanwhile I will call the President a Kenyan, I will call the left followers of Hitler and I will refer to people with other views as sheep.

I have had enough of you right wing loop jobs, if left to you the nation would be driven into the ground.

— magnum
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Fact is Marionette George W Bush and Manipulator Dick Cheney, aka M&M, cherry picked “intelligence” pumped it up with innuendos and lies to justify attacking a sovereign nation absolutely no threat to our country. 4000+ American lives, 30,000+ American wounded, ?00,000’s of Iraq killed and wounded, Iraq in rubble, and about $1.5Trillion later we still haven’t won anything, rather we’ve lost big time.
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And now and because the M&M cowboys governed in anger, we’ve had to pump it up in Afghanistan where our real enemies were all along, those enemies that killed 3,000 on 9-11. As a bonus the M&M’s folly in Iraq created a terrorist breeding ground and a uniting cause for them against us.
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Along the way M&M decided we no longer needed to abide by the Geneva convention. As a result, the whole world was shocked at how the policies of the M&M led directly to our shameful conduct at Abu Ghraib and Gitmo.
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This unnecessary war has almost bankrupt our country and certainly is a huge contributor to the trashed economy Obama inherited.
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I can’t for the life of me rationalize why you would not want Obama to get this country out of the economic mess created in part by the unnecessary Iraq war.

Bob

I know you didn’t read the article. It is in BLACK AND WHITE about Murtha.
We are only speaking of his statement about Haditha. Now read it and stop YOUR LIES!!!!!

You brought up the 25%, not me. You still won’t answer. I will try again.

How can 25% of the hghest paid citizens of the USA support the other 75%?

Now Bob, answer without twisting.

So how come the troops aren’t home by now from Iraq then?

Look you can validly argued that the US shouldn’t have put boots on the ground in Iraq, but you have to remember that BOTH parties voted en masse to give Bush authority to do so.

How much blame do dems receive for Iraq since without their approval, we would have never been there?

Magnum

Talk about not reading, SoCo brought up 25% has a hypothetical number. He was not calling it a actual number and I understood that we were using it for the sake of argument because I read his posting.

Seems that someone on the right needs to learn how to read.

Now magnum this is what he said

Murtha “”This Week with George Stephanopoulos” in an exclusive appearance that reports a group of U.S. Marines may have killed 24 Iraqi civilians following an IED explosion in Haditha, Iraq, was “worse than Abu Ghraib,” calling their actions war crimes committed “in cold blood.”"

later Murtha “”I will not excuse murder and that what’s happened,” Murtha told ABC News chief Washington correspondent George Stephanopoulos. “This investigation should have been over two or three weeks after the incident.”"

John Warner “There is this question of what happened, when did it happen and what was the reaction of the Marine Corps when it happened?”"

THE MARINES IN THEIR INVESTIGATION CHARGED ALMOST ALL OTHER MARINES WITH CRIMES, THEY CONVICTED SEVERAL INCLUDING THE RANKING NCO.

The Marines agreed that it was Murder.

Bob

Don’t know where you get your info from, this link is dated March 18, 2009.

5 dismissed, 2 not guilty with 2 cases remaining.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-marine18-2009mar18,0,4933729.story

Ok Bob

Now admit you are WRONG. John Murtha called the Marines murderers WITHOUT proof.

This has nothing to do with the fallout, but if the media would stick to being war correspondants instead of antiwar activists, these issues would not come up. Especially for our brothers in arms,,,,,innocent until proven guilty.

Bob:

“Nope I just decided that I have had it with the loopie right wing who cry and cry oh our candidate was not treated fair, meanwhile I will call the President a Kenyan, I will call the left followers of Hitler and I will refer to people with other views as sheep.

I have had enough of you right wing loop jobs, if left to you the nation would be driven into the ground.”

Calling the President a Kenyan is like calling Bush a Texan. What is so upsetting about either? If you are overcome with a need to right all wrongs, get yourself some blue tights, a red cape and a phone booth to change in, (if you can find one) then flit from pillar to post fighting evil to defend your opinion of truth, justice and the American way.

I have not used the term “sheep” but reflecting on Obama’s course for our country, to the cliff and over, lemmings might be more appropriate for his supporters.

Thanks to you repubs, we are in this mess. Some of you who are posting, states that this mess started in Sept - December of 2008, when the democrats took over congress. How asinine that in a matter of 6-7 months our economy is blown way out of porportions. The republican congress and all of you who supported them must live in glass houses. I have never seen so many people lie, deny, and subvert the truth just because they are of a pretty peculiar party. I think the economy tanked under the republicans and if you lost your job, your house and will have to use all of your savings to live, then the chickens have came home to roost. Ha.

pat mitchell

It started in January 07, when the dems took control of congress. Do your homework.

— slim
“It started in January 07, when the dems took control of congress. Do your homework.”
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Nope
It started when taxes were significantly reduced and spending skyrocketed
It looked like a free lunch for several years, then the roof caved in and here we are today.
Simple, very simple.

I still say d**it, that this sh** took longer than 2 years to get this far in debt. Remember the WAR, that your illustrius repub spent money on over a lie. You can say what you want to, but it took a long time to get us in this mess, and it will take a long time to get out. Keep telling the same lie, I am sure someone might believe you.

stl

100% WRONG

It took Obama a stroke of a pen to spend 2.5 trillion. Thats the cost over 4 years. It wasn’t that hard for that idiot. Do your homework.

— slim
“100% WRONG”
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Nope. 100% correct. No fuzz.
$5Trillion, 83%, added to our national debt when GWB was President.
o Result of deficit spending + the off budget Iraq war.
- Deficit spending was the result of lower taxes and huge increases in spending.
o It looked like a free lunch for several years, then the roof caved in and here we are today.
Simple, very simple
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“It took Obama a stroke of a pen to spend 2.5 trillion. Thats the cost over 4 years. It wasn’t that hard for that idiot. Do your homework.”
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Which stroke would that be?
I remember one stroke for about $800 Billion, the stimulus bill
I think spending $2.5 trillion over 4 years with one stroke would make the news.
Maybe I missed it?
What was it?

STL,
None yet. BHO is pushing a 3.2t budget this eve. That alone will bring defeceits of over 9T over the next decade if left unchecked. Add porky the stimulus and the infamous omnibous,,,,he is doubling the spending of GWB.And believe me, conservatives complained about his spending. Some economists are also sayin that the Trillion dollar Treasury plan will indeed come to about 2.5 million. You may do your own research to rebutt, I don’t do links.

— budb1969
“None yet. BHO is pushing a 3.2t budget . . will bring defeceits of over 9T over the next decade if left unchecked. Add porky the stimulus and the infamous omnibous,,,,he is doubling the spending of GWB. . . Some economists are also sayin that the Trillion dollar Treasury plan will indeed come to about 2.5 million.
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My hunch was that the poster was extrapolating proposals with signed spending bills to hype an agenda. It’s likely Obama’s proposal will be used as a framework for the House of Representative to start defining the appropriations bill for next year. Whatever passes there is usually different that the Senate version so there is the committee compromise dance then approval by the Congress. What’s signed is sent to the President. So we’re a long way from a $3.2Trillion budget and probably infinity away from Obama getting everything he proposed.

The omnibus bill is not Obama’s except as relating to the time he was in the Senate. You probably won’t like this but it truly was last years business held over for signature by this years President.

STL,
The omnibus is indeed BHO’s. He could have used veto, he signed it, he owns it. Last years business as far as the President is concerned ended the day he was sworn in. The congress made a decision after election day to not push the bill for fy09. To say BHO doesn’t own it is factually wrong, again, he signed it without the promised review and promised stripping of earmarks. Repulicans aren’t exhonerated from earmarks either.

Bob

Where are youuuuu?

One more time.

How can 25% of the hghest paid citizens of the USA support the other 75%?
Also, the same 25% of the highest paid citizens that support the other 75% of us, will be expected to pay for all the foeign aid we give away, so how will they do this along with 75% of us?

Come on Bob, use some of that liberal fuzzy math your so proud of.

Magnum,
They are glued to the BHO tube and the propaganda machine.

budb1969

Wonder what lies he is telling tonight. I won’t watch the liar any more.

At least NCIS is coming on now.

Magnum

If you could not ask stupid questions you would not be able ask any questions.

Go back to were SoCoBoy used 25% has a hypothetical number, that has nothing to do with your question, then go out and find somebody on the street who can ask a decent question. Then pay them to ask a intelligent question.

You will see, but probably not, that the question asked by SOCOBoy is not related to your question and was just a hypothetical question which he threw out as a base for his question.

But then I do not expect you to do so for I had told you to do this before, and read through the thread.

By the way I know with my reduced income last year I was not in the top 25% and I paid taxes so this whole cr*p you guys keep throwing out there about top 2% etc is exactly that cr*p.

Whats the matter Bob, you won’t answer a simple question? It’s your Messiah that wants to support the country on the few making big bucks. If you would admit it, you know it can’t be done, but he sure will try it, and screw us all..

Magnum

Whats wrong to lazy to go back and read. Obama never said that bu the way, so it makes you either a pawn of the right wing spreading their lies or you or an original liar. Either way you are telling anything but the truth.

He does want to take their taxes back to where they were prior to Bush tax cuts and from that you got what was the number 2% supporting everyone.

Talk about someone who is pathetic about trying to find your niche. It is simple what that niche is liar.

Someone earlier posted they they were “sick that people can run companies into the ground, cost thousands their jobs, then walk away with millions”.

I wonder if they were talking about business execs or politicians like Dodd and Frank?

I personally am sick of politicans running this country into the ground. But considering that 80% will be re-elected again by the same pathetic partisan hacks, I don’t see that changing.

I have often thought about running for political office as a Republican so that I can lie, cheat and screw over the American people. But then I remember that I don’t want to pay taxes while lying, cheating and screwing over the American, so I would have to run as a Democrat.

— budb1969
“The omnibus is indeed BHO’s. He could have used veto, he signed it, he owns it.”
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My memory is that that the House of Representatives started with a budget recommended by GWB, so it’s not Obama’s no matter how hard you try except for his input in the Senate. Obama’s focus is firmly on fixing the economy his way. He’s not going to fall for some attempt that would result in losing focus and all balled up in two budgets at once. Not going to happen. Way to smart for that ploy.
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” . . he signed it without the promised review .. ”
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This has no credibility without a link to a credible source. Start doing links.
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“. . and promised stripping of earmarks. Repulicans aren’t exhonerated from earmarks either. .”
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Again, my take is that he refuses to get sucked into a trap set to result in him losing focus on his own budget to fix the economy. Earmarks were about 8 Billion. My hunch is about 75% were for worthwhile projects. That would leave $2 Billion, 0.5% of the bill - still lots of money to you and me, but certainly not something to pursue based on the Parado Principle, aka, the 80/20 rule. Give up beating on this issue with the omnibus spending bill. It doesn’t have legs, it doesn’t deserve legs. You completely missed the big picture and waved the other 99.5% through without question. Was everything else in that $408 Billion spending bill Aok with you?

— magnum
“Wonder what lies he is telling tonight. I won’t watch the liar any more.”
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Your loss
Answered some really tough questions eloquently and in full sentences as usual.
Cool, calm, collected
Owned the stage
Presidential
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Recommend checking out the reply’s on CSPAN which is spin free
Great example of why this guy is the one

The Stimulus bill was a huge mistake. Instaed of handing out money, we should be doing just the opposite. We should be reining in our costs. A spending freeze would fix this mess Hussein Obama has brought on.
Once the government starts giving people handouts, they get used to it. We should let the supply-demand principle rule. If a business or an individual is not financially strong enough to survive, they do one of two things. The business either changes or it files for bankruptcy. An individual either changes jobs or he is unemployed. For you libtards out there, this is known as capitalism.
My business is financially sound. That’s because I run a tight ship. You won’t find me taking handouts from no one. I’ve cut back some, but my profit margin is still the same as it always was.

Ok Bob

I will ask you question using your Messiah’s numbers.
He says 95% of us getting a tax cut, and 5% are getting a tax increase. Are you able to follow it so far?

How can 5% getting a tax increase, pay for the other 95% of us, and all the increased spending that your Messiah is asking for?

If you are unable to answer oe want to twist, don’t even bother responding.
It can’t be done no matter how you twist it.

Oh my. The ties that bind.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/03/dodds_wife_a_former_director_o.html

More bait and switch from the Kenyan:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Obama-mum-on-proposal-to-apf-14735219.html

Pretty soon all of you Osama Hussein worshippers are going to wake up from your kool-aid induced stupor and ask yourselves “What the f**k just happened?”

Osama Hussein has gone to a giant TV monitor and has ditched his brain, the Teleprompter:

http://www.breitbart.tv/html/304123.html

He can’t talk without some type of crutch.

In. Over. His. Head.

— Tango Golf Sierra
“He can’t talk without some type of crutch.”
Which he?
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Some use note cards, some use paper and some use the teleprompter.
Whatever.
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Hmm. I wonder what Obama used to answer those tough questions so fluently and eloquently for the Q&A part of the news conference?
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http://images.encarta.msn.com/xrefmedia/sharemed/targets/images/pho/t041/T041653A.jpg
http://blog.davidhertenstein.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/mccain-teleprompter.jpg
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/00CF5kUchl0WT/610x.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a4/SOU2007.jpg
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/assets_c/2008/05/Bush%20on%20Abe%20Lincoln%20Mission%20Accomplished%20small-thumb-425×278.jpg
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2007-09/27/xinsrc_1820904271111140187602.jpg
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/8787/3229528.jpg
http://www.businessimagegroup.com/presidentialimages.com/images/Reagan/reagan_presenting_budget_congress_400.jpg
http://www.historyplace.com/speeches/speechgfx/reagan-parliament3.jpg
http://images.encarta.msn.com/xrefmedia/sharemed/targets/images/pho/t041/T041653A.jpg

magnum p.u. and tango goof/star 20…

hard for these two neo-cons to admit we have an intelligent president again…

one who can answer questions thoroughly and elegantly…
one who can use the English language correctly…
one who has a plan to get us out of the bush/cheney mess he inherited…
one who just had his second press conference in 63 days…

and their guy bush who waited nine months for his disastrous first meeting with the press…
and darned near financially ruined this great country of ours.

makes you grumpy, doesn’t it boys?

this makes for two disagreeable, unpleasant, bitter sour neo-cons.

STL,
Management 101,,listen closely,,, BHO signed it, it’s his. That is the most basic of leadership concepts to grasp. You and yours are obviously ok with the campaign lies,,got it. I can’t make you question obvious credibitlity/integrity issues with BHO as most reasonable people do. I really didn’t see a need for a link on the infamous BHO omnibus bill. It was well documented when, where, and how long after passage BHO signed it into law. And don’t want to hear “yeah, but what about Bush”. He is no longer president.

— budb1969
“I really didn’t see a need for a link on the infamous BHO omnibus bill. It was well documented when, where, and how long after passage BHO signed it into law. And don’t want to hear “yeah, but what about Bush”. He is no longer president.”
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You stated ” . . he signed it without the promised review .. ”
Now you say it was so well documented
Ok then it should be really easy to link to the credible source that supports your quote
Else your quote is not credible, is just made up, doesn’t count and is out there just to support your agenda
Get some backbone and substantiate your accusations
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Start here: http://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en
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Fact - Last years budget started when Bush was president
Fact - Omnibus bill finalized near end of 2008 when Bush was president
Fact - Obama signed last years business in 2009
Q.E.D.

Why does everyone seem to forget Congress’ role in the budget process?
Its really congress that decides how much and what actually gets spent, not the President. He just signs off on it.

And I watched the press conference last night and came away with two things
1) Every journalism school in the country should be closed. Whatever they are teaching, it sure is not journalism
2) Our current president appears to have gotten the job by being first in line on “Career Day” at the local S&P. And congress is filled with the ones that were behind him in line.

I really thought we couldn’t do worse. Is anyone really looking forward to when the bill comes due for all this?

A good lesson for young adults who don’t understand what socialism is all about.

A very good example of where we are headed! This just about says it all:

An economics professor at Texas Tech said he had never failed a single student before but had, once, failed an entire class. The class had insisted that socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer. The professor then said ok, we will have an experiment in this class on socialism.

The professor said all grades would be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade so no one would fail and no one would receive an A. After the first test the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. But, as the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too; so they studied little. The second test average was a D. No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around the average was an F.

The scores never increased as bickering, blame, name calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for anyone else. All failed to their great surprise and the professor told them that socialism would ultimately fail because, under capitalism, the harder they try to succeed the greater the reward but, under socialism, when the government takes all the rewards away; no one will try or succeed.

Socialism causes everyone to be miserable.

Holy cow people. Let the hate flow! Take it easy, for crying out loud. Can’t we have opinions without name calling and hate speak? Jeez.

The President hit the nail on the head last night.
REPUBLICANS HAVE SHORT MEMORIES.

This is the most ironic line delivered last night:

“We know that an economy built on reckless speculation, inflated home prices, and MAXED-OUT credit cards does not create lasting wealth. It creates the illusion of prosperity, and it’s endangered us all.”

Does the Prez not understand that his budget more than “MAXES” out the credit card? Does he not understand that nearly every one of his “programs” goes on the credit card?

Not very smart, Mr. President. Someday, credit card bills come due.

Even the people across the big pond can see how “The Messiah” is SCREWED UP

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,510445,00.html

— magnum
“people across the big pond can see how “The Messiah” is SCREWED UP”
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From the article at your link
thank you very much
“. . A day after his government collapsed because of a parliamentary vote of no-confidence . .”
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Why should we take advice from a failed government official?

Republicans do have short memories.

Sad part is, Democrats memory isn’t any better and they are the ones running the show right now.

— Amazedbythelunacy
” very smart, Mr. President. Someday, credit card bills come due.’
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you conveniently omit the part about reducing the deficit to half by the end of his first term and that most of the bickering is about the deficit in the out years, beyond 5?. Not much disagreement about his expectations to cut the deficit to half by 2011.
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Excellent press conference
2 in 2 months
Tough questions - Great responses with in depth answers - answer to the stem cell question shows why this guy is likely to become one of our greatest. A planner, a thinker, a doer that is persistent and stays focused.

bush/cheney and the neo-cons left President Obama a mess…

a $1.2 trillion deficit…

how ya gonna spin that, lunatic?

the neo-cons left an economy that was evolving from a recession into a depression…

less income for the working middle class so naturally less demand from consumers…
the slowing down of the real estate market…
a financial meltdown that is now global that has brought multibillion-dollar corporations to their knees…
and let’s not forget Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, North Korea and the Mexican drug war.

now the neo-cons and their followers…

have criticized President Obama for doing too much.

maybe…
just maybe…
he wouldn’t have to fix so many problems if the bush administration hadn’t created so many problems.

President Obama is trying to handle this urgent crisis while also trying to lay the foundation for our economies long-term growth…

the neo-cons are doing nothing…

they have no plan to stop the job losses…
or to get this countries financial institutions back on track…

they have no plans for health care…
education…
or energy.

all the ideas and thoughts…
are coming from the Democrats…

where are the repuplikans?

doing nothing but complaining…
denying…
delaying…
denouncing.

unless the neo-cons come up with an alternative plan…

they have no right to hinder our the president.

STL,
Do your own research! I fail to realize how a this years bill that BHO signed in haste isn’t his. Again, the Obama lies are acceptable to you, I got it. If I recall, btw, he signed it within hours after passege behind closed doors. Hardly the 5 days promised, much less 48 hours. Obama is an untrained executive who never met a payroll, and a small majority voted him in. His agenda will ruin this country/world and now the world is recognizing this fiasco.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,510445,00.html

— budb1969
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From the article at your link
btw - thanks for the handy link
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“. . A day after his government collapsed because of a parliamentary vote of no-confidence . .”
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Why should we take advice from a failed government official?

budb1969

Stl or bean, which ever name he uses, and other libs on these boards, have their heads so far up Their Messiah’s ass, they are unable to see daylight.
If Their Messiah ever farts, what ever brains they have, will be blown away.

We did try the liberals ideas. They were in charge of congress for 2007 and 2008, remember? And they were in change of all the oversite of the financial and banking sector at that time too. All these big bank and finacial big wigs are now having to testfy before all these congressional committees, who by the way were in change that of oversite in 2007 and 2008.

How are the liberal congressional solutions and oversite from 2007 and 2008 working for us in 2009?

Not trying to pass the buck to liberals, just trying to make sure they take their big bite of the dung burger they are trying to make us all eat. Hey, they helped make it, they helped cook it, least they can do is enjoy the meal with the rest of us!!

To defend Osama Hussein’s policies shows just how out of touch from reality these people are,— Tango Golf Sierra
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I KNEW IT!!! You really are Jeff Gannon, aren’t you?

— budb1969
“do your own research!’
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I do my own research and post linkss frequently to ensure posters I’m not just making up stuff. They may not agree but they know my stuff is factual.
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you made the statement,
” . . he signed it without the promised review .. ” about Obama and the Ominbus bill, not me
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Take responsibility for what you posted.
Or don’t your believe in taking responsibility?
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We posters here deserve that link
Are you truthful or do you just blow smoke?
Which is it?

“…makes you grumpy, doesn’t it boys?
this makes for two disagreeable, unpleasant, bitter sour neo-cons.”
— llbean 8:01 am March 25th, 2009

“…have their heads so far up Their Messiah’s ass, they are unable to see daylight.
If Their Messiah ever farts, what ever brains they have, will be blown away.”
— magnum 10:52 am March 25th, 2009

your, honor…

i rest my case.

So using your logic bean, when left with a 1.2 trillion dollar deficit what should we do……Why double it for next year of course.

STL, will it be a big accomplishment to cut the DEFICIT from 1.8 trillion to 900 billion? I didn’t know we were setting the bar so high.

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n124/cdlcheck/Milkingtime.jpg

Called our troops murders, while they were protecting this country. Well they were cleared at a Courts Martial. Your buddy Reid saying the war is lost, while troops in harms way. Great fu**ing choice of words. Blowing Abu Ghrab (sp) out of proportion with daily front page stories from the Obama New York Times.
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Well, no, they ALL haven’t been cleared.http://dreadnaught.wordpress.com/2009/03/13/haditha-update-military-judge-reviews-60-minutes-tape-in-wuterich-case/
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The war was (and is) lost! The mission was what? Find WMD? Take out Saddam and replace with a democracy? Kill all Al-queda? It seemed to move daily.
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And as far as Abu Ghraib being blown out of proportion, have you seen the rest of the photos and videos that were shown to our Congresscritters?
Have a feeling the rest are being hidden for a very good reason.

sorry, try this
http://en.wordpress.com/tag/ssgt-frank-wuterich/

Where is that sicko bob at today? Get a job. not

The earth has been COOLING since 1998. Yes, it’s a friggin’ HOAX.
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Ohh reallly?!?!?!
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http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/science/recenttc_triad.html

juanita4748

Try this, and it isn’t a blog

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-marine18-2009mar18,0,4933729.story

Yep, the globe is getting cooler since 98

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/02/19/january-2008-4-sources-say-globally-cooler-in-the-past-12-months/

STL,
You are truly hillarious. Your Google politics aren’t factual, they are opinionated unless from a credible source. Ie,,published with references, vetted, defended. This is a blog. News articles are fair game, but are opinionated. BTW, I stand corrected, BHO signed the BHO omnibus bill for the future 7 months the next day, the same day he preached earmark reform. If you feel a few hours was enought to review and read line by line,,,,,,,I want to sell you a bridge in Nevada.

— slim
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Sorry Slim, I’ll believe the EPA before a blog with some gee-whiz graphs.

I’ve always wanted a bridge in Nevada. How much you wanting for it?

Dude, Obamy is a speed reader. In between curing cancer and abolishing poverty, he read each and every bill, line by line looking for waste to cut. He said so himself.

— budb1969
“. .You are truly hillarious..”
Except this is serious. You’ve made an accusation you can’t back up and you are trying to wiggle and giggle your way out.
Doesn’t compute.
Doesn’t fly.
Doesn’t pass the truth test.
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Still no link substantiating your contention that
” . . he signed it without the promised review .. ”
about Obama and the Ominbus bill
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The onus is no you, not me
I didn’t make the statement, you did
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You apparently make up stuff then post it
I don’t
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Consider the following approach
If what you really meant was that you suspect he didn’t read the bill then state it something like “I suspect he didn’t read the bill like he said he would” and maybe why you suspect it. In my mind that more that clarifies the statement as your opinion, and not fact.
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ay?

juanita4748

Try this, and it isn’t a blog

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-marine18-2009mar18,0,4933729.story
— slim
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I wasn’t talking about Lt. Col. Jeffrey Chessani(who got off, so far, on a technicality), was talking about Staff Sgt. Frank D. Wuterich, the squad leader on the day that Marines swept through houses looking for insurgents after a roadside bomb killed one Marine and injured two others.
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There are several reasons to believe this WAS murder. I’m not painting the entire military as murderers or was Murtha! But bad stuff does happen in wartime. Murtha was right. This should of been dealt with much earlier than it was.

“…So using your logic bean, when left with a 1.2 trillion dollar deficit what should we do……Why double it for next year of course.”
— Amazedbythelunacy 11:38 am March 25th, 2009

c’mon, lunatic…

get with the program…

that was your’s and the bush/cheney ‘team neo-con’ approach…

President Obama and the Democrats will fix your mistakes.

the goose creek meth labs must be fryin’ your brain.

and the neo-cons still have no solutions to the mess bush left us…

just whining, obstructing and character assassinations…

President Obama and the Democrats will fix your mistakes.

the goose creek meth labs must be fryin’ your brain.

and the neo-cons still have no solutions to the mess bush left us…

just whining, obstructing and character assassinations…
— llbean
1:41 pm March 25th, 2009

Answer one question….How will be ever pay back all the borrowed trillions?

Looks like Chicago is finally getting tired of increasing fees. Hopefully taxes are next.

http://cbs2chicago.com/local/Parking.Meter.Revolt.2.967110.html

Answer one question….How will be ever pay back all the borrowed trillions?
— Amazedbythelunacy
2:08 pm March 25th, 2009

the president and the Democrats are trying to…

everyday.

now…

a question for you to answer…

what solutions do you neo-cons have?

i’ll read your answer tomorrow…

got to go.

— Amazedbythelunacy
“How will be ever pay back all the borrowed trillions?”
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We’ll have to start with the first $10Trillion
btw
$11Trillon after Bush2 left,
o 8.5Trillion, 77%, from just 3 Conservative Presidents
- $5.2 Trillion from Bush2
- $2Trillion from Reagan
- $1.3 Trillon Daddy Bush
So
We’ve absolutely got to get our economy moving so we can start getting that debt down in a few years.
o Only 1 party has a plan.
o The other just says no.
o no-no, no-no, no-no. No alternatives - just no.
Geez, they aren’t any help, they don’t even want to help, they want failure.
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Fortunately Obama has ideas to get us moving again and started on that mountainous debt left by the Conservatives.
o Along the road to economic recovery his plan has built in elbow room for contingencies to handle unforeseen circumstances.
o The whole focus is to build in long term economic stability.
o Keep it flexible.
o No staying the course like we did with utter disaster in Iraq.
o Be flexible. Stay focused on the big picture.
o Keep communicating with the voters so they are informed as to the status of the recovery and any potential midcourse adjustments that may be required to attain our goals.
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goals - exit strategy - thinking - planing - adjusting
no cowboy stuff

magnum

You are so stupid it has gotten to be funny. 5% is not to pay for 95%, they are going to pay more including Obama himself.

Did you pay taxes last year? Are you part of the 5%? if the answer to the first question is no, then you poor poor person start paying. If you paid taxes then you will continue to pay taxes. If you are paying taxes and are not in the top 95% then explain how you are asking a valid question.

You are so stupid you actually have become funny.

Bob

Only funny in an IDIOTS simple mind.

Magnum

Great I am glad I could dumb it down enough for you to understand.

boy bob you are one hell of a jerk and ahole, typical lib.

Slim

another person heard from who cannot think beyond single syllable words.

Someone who cannot reason so he disdains those that do.

One who cannot think so he stopped, probably back about 1980.

No wonder “The Chosen One” is for cap and trade.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/03/25/obama-helped-fund-carbon-scheme/

Hey Bob

You better reserve your spot in the bread line. A depression is coming caused by the liberals.

Magnum

Yep caused by the liberals

Drop in the DOW since Obama has been in office 1700 points with about 1200 recovered to date.

Drop in the DOW in the last 15 months of Republican (Conservative) administration 6000 points with zero recovered.

really sounds like the conservatives had the economy it good shape since 2007.

Bob

You just keep forgetting that the dems took control of congress in Jan of 07. You can twist it all you wish, but that is when everything started tanking. Now twist away.

Magnum

So you are saying that Bush was irrelevant? That has President he was just a figure head? Are you saying that the first six years was the Republican congress ruling and Bush was just their pawn?

If Bush was responsible for the first 6 years he was responsible for the last 2 years. He had a VP in charge of the Senate and the Dems only held 49 seats, as did the Republicans. The other two were held by independents. So are you saying that Bush was so impotent that he could not find a way to win over one of the two independents which would have allowed his VP to cast the deciding votes in the Senate.

Sounds like weak conservative leadership

Bob

“Sounds like weak conservative leadership”

On that we agree, and if you remember, I am not a Bush fan. He was a RINO and couldn’t say no to spending. Just look at how screwed up the drug bill was and still is.

Magnum

great we are agreed that the conservatives are weak and poor leaders.

Bob

I am going to start calling you Mr. Twister.

Bush was not a conservative as you well know. A RINO is the correct term, so no, we didn’t agree to that.

— magnum
“No wonder “The Chosen One” is for cap and trade.”
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You got that right, no wonder he’s for it.
According to the article at your link he’s for it because he believes in it.
Just reinforces my view of Obama that he is a man of principles.
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How refreshing
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thanks for the link
keep em coming

STL

My view is that he is a proven liar, a socialist and bent on destroying this country.

That link proves he is trying to push the liberal hoax of global warming, at the tax payer expense.

Get real.

Decided to read this one, but now more. Anyone that far up the messiah’s but, cannot see straight.

magnum

You have not proven it a hoax, nor have you proven that he believes it to be a hoax.

I read a book last year about the history of science. I admit that I understood less than 20% of the theories etc. One I did understand is that research seems to show that continuous cooling, such has those that led to the Ice Age, only took place when Continental Drift blocked warm water from flowing from the equator to the northern regions.

You say the earth has been cooling since 1998 or 1997. This cannot be because of continental drift, if even true because there are scientist that will dispute what you say. However, it can be the fact that few things happen in a straight line. Invest in a stock and very seldom does the price go straight up. There are rises and falls. The same can be said about world warming.

Magnum,
I have to advise you to heed the advise you gave me. Don’t bother with STL/LLbean, or whomever he is posting as today, as I will no longer. BHO is a campaign promise breaking socialist who talked the talk to a very specific voter base,,,,sometimes a non-voting base,,aka bring in ACORN. He is a proven liar and these guys admire those principles????

budb…

We do not admire liars, which might explain why we do not admire Bush.

We do admire competence which the conservatives have proven well short.

Bob,
And it looks like BHO and company has far exceeded the definition of incompetence. Apologize for the generalized “they” in the liar comment.

budb…

Nope if you really want to be incompetent you need to get a conservative. So I guess that does make them good at something, being incompetent.

budb1969

I just couldn’t help myself that time. Anyone that admires “The Chosen One” that much, cannot be right in the head. A man of principles. I almost fell out of my chair laughing so hard. A man of principles, does not lie his ass off. He has almost equaled Clinton in the lying department.

Mr. Twister

There is no solid proof that this global warming is not a hoax. I wouldn’t trust Gore to to sweep my drive way. Just look it up Mr. Twister, it has been cooling since 98.

NCIS is coming on the USA channel.

magnum

and what are your sources and what is the 30 year trend? You always do this you look at a short period and say it proves your point where has the larger picture proves that you are wrong.

Also you have not shown that even if a hoax that Obama believes it to be.

Which you just prove if you want to be incompetent you need to be a conservative.

Bob: You say you don’t admire liars. You, I would think, would be the one lib on this site who would at least admit that Obama has lied to you.

Lost

Two points.

There is a difference between being wrong or over estimating what you can do and being a liar. Did Bush accomplish everything he said he was going to accomplish? If not did that make him a liar? What about Reagan, he said that he was going to shrink the government and it expanded, was he a liar?

The second point I am just tired of seeing the conservatives twist points. They look at short periods of time to prove their point when the larger picture proves they are wrong. I have watched some blame the problems from 2006 to 2008 on the Democratic congress and not Bush. The problems from 2000 to 2006 were the fault of Clinton and not Bush.

So I am just tired of trying to meet the conservatives half way, because evidently nothing was their fault. They want to blame Obama for no bipartisanship, how much real effort have the Republicans made?

The media is mean to them. Well they have 3 hours on radio to tout their side with no sign of being open to the other guys fault. Newspapers are unfair to them, but Ruppert Murdoch owns some of the largest papers in the US.

They say Obama supporters were un informed or sheep. Well at least in one case I proved that the person touting that view did not know what Palin said even though it did start a lot of controversy. As for the sheep how many are going BAH BAH to the line that Limbaugh puts out.

So I have just had it.

Lost

Liberals admitting that “Their Chosen One” is a liar, is not in their vocabulary. They act just like The Fonz, I was wr-wr-wr-ong.
Mr. Twister can’t even admit it, and he is one of the sanest liberals on these threads. (Mr. Twister-an under the table compliment)

Mt. Twister

You cannot accuse anyone else of twisting sir, you are the KING.

Our weather patterns run in cycles and so do the temperatures. In the 70’s they were saying an ice age is coming. Kinda like chicken little then and now the warming hoax.

I saw NCIS before.

magnum

I do not twist I do realize this will over tax your small mind but there is such a thing as cause and effect.

For instance the conservatives said that FDR did not end the Great Depression but WWII did and they use it has fact that his policies failed. They do not look at the fact he brought unemployment down from 20% to 10% or that his efforts were stymied by the rest of the world going to war. So you guys lie and twist the facts to meet your small view of the world.

Now I know that was a lot for you to try and put in that pea size of a brain. So don’t hurt yourself trying to use more that 1% of that small thing.

Mr. King Twister

You may think I have a small brain, and that is your right, but I will call a spade a spade and a liar a liar, which the Chosen One is. Whether you will ever be able to admit it, we shall see, that is, if I live long enough.

From what I have read, it was a recession until taxes were raised on the rich making 100k or more. Then it went to a depression. That is what your Chosen One wants to do, but on 250k. History does repeat itself, and the Messiah is going to prove it.

— magnum
“That link proves he is trying to push the liberal hoax of global warming, at the tax payer expense.”
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Liberal hoax?
Gosh I didn’t know
You here on this board, are an authority on the science of climate change.
I’m interested in your credentials?
also
How do you know global warming is a hoax?

A NEW CONSERVATIVE TAKE ON FDR…. Conservatives have argued repeatedly of late that there’s no reason for the Obama administration to look to FDR as an example. The New Deal, according to many on the right, was a failure. FDR didn’t help pull the United States out of the depression, they say, he made it worse.

It was curious, then, to see this item in the Wall Street Journal this week, arguing that Roosevelt’s economic policies really did work, but only because they were actually conservative.

The piece from the University of Kansas’ George Bittlingmayer and George Mason University’s Thomas W. Hazlett present a novel argument:

Roosevelt initially tacked right on fiscal issues. On March 10, he asked Congress to slash the salaries of federal government employees by $100 million, with an additional $400 million sliced from veterans’ pensions. This stunning cut — total annual federal expenditures then running at $4.6 billion — came in a measure called “A Bill to Maintain the Credit of the United States Government.”

[Raymond Moley, an FDR adviser intimately involved in crafting the bank holiday and other 100 days policies] said the “psychological effect was electric. The bill [was] greeted with loud shouts of approval by all articulate conservatives. But I am confident that deep down in the consciousness of the average people of the country it found a similar response. Somehow or other . . . Hoover had always seemed to be an expensive President.” [...]

Whatever is to come, an Obama administration reset that focused on investment incentives could stimulate confidence and give our economy a fighting chance to recover. That is the message being conveyed by pro-Obama business champions such as Warren Buffett — and it was in fact the strategy executed by FDR.

I see. So, as far as conservatives are concerned, FDR was both an ineffective liberal who made the crisis worse in the 1930s and an effective conservative who helped address the crisis with conservative ideas. The New Deal failed because it was liberal and it succeeded because it was conservative.

Good to know.

—Steve Benen

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_03/017376.php

Oh, and just like Monday, the stock market did it again, finishing on an ‘up’ day…

Open For Questions
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Here you go posters.
An opportunity ask your President questions about the economy.
It’s designed to encourage transparency and accountability by giving you a direct line to the White House.
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This first round will deal with the economy.
Americans deserve to know what their government is doing to get our economy back on track.
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If you are interested in holding the President’s feet to the fire then participate.
If you have the time but choose not to participate then you’ve passed a golden opportunity to make your feelings known to the big guy.
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http://www.whitehouse.gov/OpenForQuestions/

Bush was not a conservative as you well know. A RINO is the correct term, so no, we didn’t agree to that.
— magnum
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Bull-freaking-sh*t!!! Your Dear Leader, Chimpy McFlightsuit was the ULTIMATE republican. Starting with St. Ronnie saying “Government’s not the solution to our problems, government IS the problem.” to Grover Norquest saying,”I don’t want to abolish government. I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub.”
The right-wing whackos have been trying to destroy the US government.
It’s the same reason Bushie appointed all the cronies and incompetents he could talk into his cabal.
Too bad the idiots didn’t realize they were going to destroy the capitalism they so dearly loved.

juanita4748

You need to wipe your eyes and read my statement again. I said Bush was not a CONSERVATIVE, and that is a fact.

If you don’t think Obama is trying to kill capitalism, and try to lead this country to socialism, lady (and I use the term loosely), look at the definition of both. That may not work either, you couldn’t even read what I wrote.

People and companies are starting to stand up. It is about time.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123791678454427343.html

— we are screwed
“People and companies are starting to stand up. It is about time.”
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From your link
“FedEX Puts Boeing Order in Question Over Bill to Make Unionizing Easier
“. . may cancel plans to buy as many as 30 new Boeing planes should Congress pass a bill that would remove truck drivers, . . ”
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FedEx seems like a good company to me. I’ve never had any issues with them.
So, why make a threat like this which would punish a third party? My hunch is The Boeing Company is not pushing this bill.
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Say FedEx carries through with their threat. They’re out 30 airplanes that would modernize their fleet. Presumably they need the new airplanes to compete else they would not have ordered them. So how will they compete better without the planes they thought they needed in the timeframe they needed them in?
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To me idle threats are a subset of rants. They are a knee jerk reaction, aren’t logical, make little sense, carry an agenda and can cause self inflicted wounds.
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Maybe FedEX is serious but how does delaying equipment they decided was needed to be competitive and punishing Boeing help their case or improve their business model?

My question to all those conservatives suddenly posting that they don’t like Bush and how he isn’t a conservative or that he’s a RINO, who did you vote for in 2000 and 2004? If you didn’t vote for him then fine…you can wash your hands of him, but who did you vote for then? Al Gore? John Kerry? Ralph Nader? I doubt it. If you voted for Bush then you own him and the mess he and his conservative cronies created (unless you think Cheney, Rumsfeld, Feith, Rice etc are RINO’s too). It’s amazing to me how hard it is these days to find a Republican who admits to voting for Bush. Makes you wonder how he won…perhaps Diebold is responsible after all!

Heather

I freely admit I voted for Bush in both elections. The alternative of voting for Gore and Lurch turned my stomach. Bush was MORE conservative than either of the two, but hindsight shows he was a RINO and not a real conservative. Would I go back and vote for Gore or Lurch, HELL NO. Gore is a complete moron and the way Lurch cut down my fellow VN veterans, in my opinion, should have been horse whipped, and NEVER elected to any office.

After 9/11, if Gore would have been POTUS, he would have been pooping in his pants and telling everyone to join hands and sing Kumbaya.

It is evident that no amount of talking, facts, socialism is going to change the people on the left from really hurting this nations long term future.
Congratulations lefties - I was wrong. All is right, let’s spend more, and more. If what B.O. is doing is good, then why should we ever stop. It seemed to work for the Soviets with the GOVT doing most of the spending.

Here is the best thing..Under the GREAT ONE’s economic plans, the U.S. DOES NOT QUALIFY, DOES NOT QUALIFY to become a member of the EU.
WE have TOO MUCH govt spending and too much debt to become a member of the EU. We are beyond European Socialism.

Thank to all of you the European Socialist have something to look up to the U.S. for now.

I think juanita666 is actually Garrison posting and using his real name.

Same left-wing fanatical arguments that don’t make a bit of sense.

magnum

When were tax rates increased? There has been talk of tax increases, the President has said that he will let the Bush tax cut expire in two years but there has been no tax increase to date. Just another indication of you not knowing of what you speak. Talk about twisting you really twisted that around, wow, what an idiot.

— John
” . All is right, let’s spend more, and more. If what B.O. is doing is good, then why should we ever stop. . Under the GREAT ONE’s economic plans, the U.S. DOES NOT QUALIFY . . to become a member of the EU.”
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Why didn’t’ you get religion in 2001, when the huge deficits started as a result of lower taxes and huge increases in spending?
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You had your chance and blew it going along which has resulted in a situation that almost destroyed our economy - 8+% unemployed, housing sales trashed, $11Trillion debt. Good call. Thanks for speaking up.
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My memory is that most economists approve of Obama’s approach with the stimulus.
That’s all we’ve spent to date. Lots of money but “just?” $800 Billion. The private sector doesn’t have the means to jump start our economy, only our government does.
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As Obama pointed out in his news conference Tuesday night, right now his economic plan is, well just a plan - a roadmap, a framework a blueprint. History says there is much discussion, debating and compromising that will occur before the majority of each house of Congress signs it and it goes to Obama’s desk.
So relax and stop the hyperbole.
It’s ineffective, no longer rally’s your exhausted troops and is nothing but a low volume background noise easily tuned out by the voters.
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So far the Republicans haven’t offered an alternative except for no, no, no. They have a chance to help shape the plan. Will they take the opportunity and become constructive or remain obstructionists and continue their slow death.
Their choice, your choice
Bad choice John, bad choice

Mr. King Twister

If “The Chosen One’s” Cap and Trade bill is passed, yes, indirect taxes will be the result from higher prices for electric. After all, the taxes will be passed along to us consumers.

Think I will start ignoring Mr. Twister too. He is getting almost as bad as STL/bean with their head up their Messiah’s butt, idiotic rants.

Another reason Dodd inserted bonus payments.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/03/dodds_wife_a_former_director_o.html

Magnum…thanks for your honesty. Thanks also for taking responsibility for the mess we’re in. It is Bush’s policies that are directly responsible for much of our debt…particularly a disastrous and unnecessary war coupled with a disastrous and unnecessary tax cut. Who fights a war and cuts taxes at the same time for crying out loud and then tells us all to spend spend spend. You can’t blame a president who has been in power for 2 months. You may disagree in principle with Obama’s approach to the crisis he inherited but since he’s modeling it on what FDR did, at least he’s going for a proven working solution. What’s your plan? Ignore it? Cut taxes? That’s all I hear from the right.

Heather

I will take responsibility for Bush’s spending, when you and the left takes responsibilty for Obama leading us into socialism, and the depression he is leading the country into. Fair is fair.

Bob,
People are skiddish because we just don’t know what’s coming, but have a pretty good idea. SCHIP is a great example. Tobacco tax increase to fund health care. On a positive note for me, the the tobacco tax was enough to make me quit again, this time for good. A proposed middle class tax cut that will be offset and then some if Cap and Trade is introduced. Ie, utility bills will far exceed any tax cut. Senate Dems already saying they will not put in a middle class tax cut. Already committed to raise taxes at the end of 2010 for 250k or >, a repeal of a tax cut is indeed a tax increase. Even the talk of regulating corporate salaries is bone chilling and scaring the crap out of the movers and shakers of the country.

budb1969

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123792991709930321.html

— magnum
“I will take responsibility for Bush’s spending, when you and the left takes responsibilty for Obama leading us into socialism, and the depression he is leading the country into. Fair is fair.”
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Agree. Fair is fair
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Bush’s spending is history, all $5 Trillion of it
Obama’s are just plans, just plans except for the stimulus.
Reality vs fantasy
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One can only take responsibility for reality
Impossible to take responsibility for things that have not occurred unless you live in the fantasy world portrayed in the “Minority Report”
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Take responsibility for Bush’s $5 Trillion spending
It’s reality, not fantasy

budb…

First about the tax cut. I agree a repeal of a tax cut is a tax increase. However, look at what magnum said. He said “From what I have read, it was a recession until taxes were raised on the rich making 100k or more. Then it went to a depression.”. Well, when did that tax increase happen? The guy is an idiot, he reads that someone is talking about a tax increase and he translates it into a tax increase has already taken place.

I find it funny also that conservatives have been on these boards arguing that we are not in a depression, which I agree we had not reached that level, yet now with the change of Presidents some of them think we are in a depression.

You say people are skittish because they do not know what is coming then you point to health care a tobacco taxes etc. Don’t you believe they might be a little skittish because they had seen, according to the government numbers, a recession for 15 months coming into 2009. Do you not think that they are worried because they have seen many big name companies such has circuit city go out of business losing jobs that may never come back. Do you not believe that they are skittish because coming into 2009 they saw their home value drop by about 20%. Do you not believe that they are worried because they saw almost every major bank in the US declare that they were at least financially stressed if not basically bankrupt. Nope you think they are skittish because of the health care debate and the caps on emissions. To you that is why they are skittish, not because they might lose their home or if they do not then at least it will not be worth what they paid for it.

Bob

Please read our posts again. You spoke about the depression, and so was I.
I apologize for calling you Mr. Twister. You just can’t read straight.

magnum

I do not twist I do realize this will over tax your small mind but there is such a thing as cause and effect.

For instance the conservatives said that FDR did not end the Great Depression but WWII did and they use it has fact that his policies failed. They do not look at the fact he brought unemployment down from 20% to 10% or that his efforts were stymied by the rest of the world going to war. So you guys lie and twist the facts to meet your small view of the world.

Now I know that was a lot for you to try and put in that pea size of a brain. So don’t hurt yourself trying to use more that 1% of that small thing.
— Bob
6:48 pm March 25th, 2009

Mr. King Twister

You may think I have a small brain, and that is your right, but I will call a spade a spade and a liar a liar, which the Chosen One is. Whether you will ever be able to admit it, we shall see, that is, if I live long enough.

From what I have read, it was a recession until taxes were raised on the rich making 100k or more. Then it went to a depression. That is what your Chosen One wants to do, but on 250k. History does repeat itself, and the Messiah is going to prove it.
— magnum
7:04 pm March 25th, 2009

— magnum
“You may think I have a small brain, . ”
This is so tempting but I’m still in rehab trying to become a better poster citizen.
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You must have missed the perfect illustration 9:27 am March 26th, 2009 of how flawed your logic is
Embarrassing for sure cause there’s no defense, no recovery, no excuse
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“One can only take responsibility for reality

Impossible to take responsibility for things that have not occurred unless you live in the fantasy world portrayed in the “Minority Report”

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Magnum
We’re all waiting for your to do what you said you’d do
“Take responsibility for Bush’s $5 Trillion spending

It’s reality, not fantasy”

Magnum

I did not realize you were talking about the 1930’s since you did not reference that so you are right. The funny thing about the raising of taxes etc. There was a story on PBS about that, just the other day. FDR raised taxes and cut back the spending in 1936 to close the deficit gap. He did this against the advice of the liberals and with the advice of his conservative advisors so unemployment had a bit a of a jump.

However, that was in 1936. Between 1928 and 1934 over 4000 banks went belly up and unemployment rising steadily from 1928 until 1935 peaking at a bit over 20%. Then it declined to about 15% at which time the conservatives urged the increase and cutting of services.and it went back up to about 17%. Once the cuts were repealed and the services restored it declined to about 10% just before WW II.

So you can twist that anyway you wish, but the services were working etc until FDR listed to the conservatives over the advice of Keynes who is still thought of has the gold standard of economist.

Take it anyway you wish but the people had their vote and they threw your way of thinking out of office.

— magnum 9:07 am March 26th, 2009
Thanks for yet another great link
You’re doing a heck of a job helping me magnumie
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“The Obama administration plans to create a task force to consider elimination of corporate loopholes and subsidies, tougher enforcement against tax avoidance, and tax simplification, White House Budget Director Peter Orszag said late Tuesday. . . the effort theoretically could lead to tens of billions of dollars in additional collections. The tax gap alone is estimated at $300 billion a year, of which more than $100 billion is believed to be collectible, according to IRS statistics.”
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I’m impressed.
Obama and team recognize a potential for getting more revenue, legally. Will relieve some of the burden if successful
but
I’m also unimpressed, because shouldn’t this have been started 8 years ago under GWB?
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Well, better late than never.
Finally, an administration our side.

Hey, Not a Sage, yapper! There’s more sense in the small dribble of snot running out of my nose after eating good salsa than in all your yammering past, present and future!

1. Russ Carnahan is a decent, honest man who makes a difference because he’s not afraid to take on tough issues and do the right thing.

2. Yappers are insane!

3. Not a Sage is a yapper!

4. Not a Sage is insane!

QED

Bob

I didn’t reference it since my post was going to be the next one in line.

Bush wasn’t a conservative and neither is McCain. Both are RINO’s.

The country tried Carter too, and they had buyers remorse. Just look at the landslide against him in the next election. The same is happening NOW.

“My question to all those conservatives suddenly posting that they don’t like Bush and how he isn’t a conservative or that he’s a RINO, who did you vote for in 2000 and 2004? If you didn’t vote for him then fine…you can wash your hands of him, but who did you vote for then? Al Gore? John Kerry? Ralph Nader? I doubt it. If you voted for Bush then you own him and the mess he and his conservative cronies created (unless you think Cheney, Rumsfeld, Feith, Rice etc are RINO’s too). It’s amazing to me how hard it is these days to find a Republican who admits to voting for Bush. Makes you wonder how he won…perhaps Diebold is responsible after all!”
— Heather

Amen, Heather! I’ve read that many Bush voters now deny having done so…
Sounds like what a few apostles did to Jesus. I suspect many of the right-wing ‘fringers’ here (think we should call them ‘The Twenty-two Percenters’ as that will be their representation in the next general election…:) ) were proud… make that EXTEMELY PROUD Bush voters…
some

Bob

It sounds like de jau vu http://history.searchbeat.com/greatdepression.htm

— magnum
“Bush wasn’t a conservative and neither is McCain.”
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How about Reagan?
Was he a conservative?
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Campaigned on
o smaller government
o too much spending
Left us
o National debt increased by 200% to $3 Trillion from $1 Trillion
o Government much larger after he left
o Soon to be recession which voters used to boot out the next guy
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So using MRL (Magnum Rant Logic)
Reagan was a liar
o campaigned on less spending - didn’t do it
o campaigned on smaller government - didn’t do it
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Proof again
That ole MRL is flawed
Grossly flawed
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Posters beware the MRL

Hey. Whichever one of you dittoheads posted that “Obama thanked himself in a speech,” … Surprise! Didn’t. Happen.

(LINK) The truth about Barack Obama’s Irish teleprompter “gaffe”
Dozens of readers emailed me to ask why I hadn’t include the teleprompter mix-up at last week’s St Patrick Day event in my top 10 gaffes by Barack Obama and Joe Biden when the president supposedly thanked himself for hosting the event because the wrong speech was loaded onto the machine.

Well, it seemed a bit fishy to me and there was no video. And upon further investigation - Obamaphobes and dittoheads brace yourselves for a big disappointment - I can confirm that there was no gaffe by the president.

“Hey. Whichever one of you dittoheads posted that “Obama thanked himself in a speech,” … Surprise! Didn’t. Happen.

(LINK) The truth about Barack Obama’s Irish teleprompter “gaffe”
Dozens of readers emailed me to ask why I hadn’t include the teleprompter mix-up at last week’s St Patrick Day event in my top 10 gaffes by Barack Obama and Joe Biden when the president supposedly thanked himself for hosting the event because the wrong speech was loaded onto the machine.

Well, it seemed a bit fishy to me and there was no video. And upon further investigation - Obamaphobes and dittoheads brace yourselves for a big disappointment - I can confirm that there was no gaffe by the president.”
— Lisa12

Are you insane, Lisa? The ‘Twenty-Two Percenters’ on here live on (false) statements like these… of course you know that none on them will post contradictory information as it doesn’t exist.

Ronald Reagan: Are you insane, Lisa?

Hmmm. Don’t think so. LOL

Bob,
“Nope you think they are skittish because of the health care debate and the caps on emissions. To you that is why they are skittish, not because they might lose their home or if they do not then at least it will not be worth what they paid for it.”
People are skittish beacuse of all the above. Please don’t spin my comment. President Bush and BHO thought TARP was good. It wasn’t, as we have discovered over the last few weeks,,,What does President Obamam do, more spending! For Lisa, I saw the St Patrick’s day event in question,,,,,BHO did indeed gaffe, but, surprise surprise, claims it was a joke. Who cares!!! It’s irrelevant and a matter of opinion, as was the link you posted. BTW anybody watching the “fair and balanced” town hall??? Talk about screening the participants!!

budb1969,
Or maybe you just don’t “get” jokes.

STL, Lisa and BOB, no matter how many times we say it, it does not matter to you.
Bush let us down - Plain and simple. I was duped, many others were duped. The only difference now is that none of you will say anything is wrong with the great one’s policy. It was bad under bush but now it is great and will save us under B.O.
I am still quite new to the blogs, but have been complaing about W’s spending for years. I was against the drugs for seniors, bailouts, etc.
The repbulicans have pretty much turned me into a libertarian because I cannot not stand most people in D.C.
You say taxes have not went up. Not just yet, but if B.O. get his budget through it will be devastating.
Why can’t you be happy with what you have and what you earned? Why do you feel you have the right to take what others have earned?
All you can say is Bush, Bush, Bush but it is great with B.O. does it at 10 times the pace.

STL, Bob, and Lisa,
Why don’t we just print some more money. What is another few trillion?

Okay, Bush put us 5 tillion in debt. Let’s say you are right. How does going in to 12 Trillion in debt and a trillion more in projected spending per year with all of B.O.’s social engineering help us again?

I am glad the idiots in D.C. really understand what is important!

WASHINGTON (AP) - Everyone from President Barack Obama on down to fans has criticized how college football determines its top team. Now senators are getting off the sidelines to examine antitrust issues involving the Bowl Champion Series.
The current system “leaves nearly half of all the teams in college football at a competitive disadvantage when it comes to qualifying for the millions of dollars paid out every year,” the Senate Judiciary’s subcommittee on antitrust, competition policy and consumer rights said in a statement Wednesday announcing the hearings.

Lisa12

This is for you. Lets have government provide our health care.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/03252009/news/regionalnews/state_paid_for_dental_cleaning_for_tooth_161276.htm

This is sweet. Porker of the month.

http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=45633

Bob - I think it was you who said tax the hell out of everyone who makes more than you. You or STL anway.

What about this guy?

‘I’m having a very good crisis,’ says Soros as hedge fund managers make billions off recession

He seems like a VERY EVIL wall street guy and should be punished.

The typical liberal blame America first.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D975BH4G0&show_article=1&catnum=3

John

The way you phrase it you make it sound that I am asking for more and more for myself. I have news for you, while last year was a bad year for me in most years I would pay more taxes than I would get as a benefit. I know plenty of people pay more than I but has an example, I went back through my taxes and averaged them for the 3 year prior to 2008. During that period I paid an average of $25,000 in Federal taxes. So With the changes I doubt I would get that much in return if all the plans were in place. I do realize that there are people in need. For instance the government, I mean the Bush administration, did a recalculation of people uninsured. The numbers were released after Bush was out of office, but they said that they found errors in calculations, They had been under counting and now plac3e 40% of the population as uninsured. I use to know people who bought their own insurance. If you wanted decent, not top of the line but also not minimal, they were paying about $8,000 a year. It varies on age and sex and the number covered and location. With insurance going up at a rate higher than inflation it becomes harder and harder for people to buy insurance. If someone is making $30,000 a year it would be hard to find even half that amount to insure their family. When they get sick they go to to the emergency room. When they do not pay, then the hospital ups the cost to the insurance companies. When the insurance companies get higher costs they pass it on to your employer. When the employer gets higher rates they ask you to pay more. In the end you do pay for it but it is hidden. Is it not time to get the cost on the table and stop hiding it?

Talk about left wing libtard nut jobs.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=%2Fc%2Fa%2F2009%2F03%2F25%2FBADD16N9VP.DTL

screwed

I have seen this for years and both sides of the aisle have said it, so do not make it out like this is another attack on America by liberals. The basic line is that the drugs coming from Mexico are almost all going to the US. If Americans did not buy the drugs the drug cartels would not exist in Mexico. They might have other problems, but the drug cartels would not be a problem.

Bob - what about Soro’s? Should he be allowed to profit off the backs of others when things are so bad for so many?

— magnum 5:11 pm March 25th, 2009
“Decided to read this one (of STLs), but now more . . (then some nasty stuff) . .”
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Hmm, last magnum post @ 10:25 am March 26th, 2009
after the usual flurry of posts peppered with MRL (Magnum Rant Logic)
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Hypothesis
o still reading my posts (thanks for the respect M)
but
o can’t contend, can’t defend, can’t justify the logical conclusion drawn from applying MRL that Reagan was a liar. Ref: STL @ 10:30 am March 26th, 2009
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Why?
well my hunch is that M doesn’t think Reagan was a liar but then applying M’s own rules that’s the only conclusion that follows
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Dilemma
either Reagan lied, which M probably doesn’t believe,
or
M now sees how such a flawed result can come from applying the MRL
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Geez, tough choice
Will have to argue with self
No win situation
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Posters beware the MRL

Bob

Your statement “When the insurance companies get higher costs they pass it on to your employer. When the employer gets higher rates they ask you to pay more. In the end you do pay for it but it is hidden.”

Serious question sir. Isn’t that the same thing that happens when “you tax the rich”? They raise prices of products to cover the increased taxes, and in the end you pay for it, but it is hidden. Us little people pay no matter what.

Here is some more details on our out pacing the EU -

Gregg: U.S. couldn’t even join E.U. due to debt levels
@ 8:51 am by Michael O’Brien
The United States wouldn’t even be eligible to enter the European Union if it wanted to because of its debt levels, Sen. Judd Gregg (R-N.H.) claimed Thursday.

“We won’t even be able to get into the EU if we wanted to,” Gregg said this morning on MSNBC, “because our government is so large and so huge.”

The European Union’s Stability and Growth Pact (SGP) adopted in 1997 requires a budget deficit to be less than three percent, and requires a national debt beneath 60 percent of Gross Domestic Product (GDP).

“We’ve been lectured by France on the fact that we’re not fiscally responsible right now,” Gregg, the would-be commerce secretary, noted with incredulity.

According to the Congressional Budget Office, the yearly budget deficit would fall well beyond that threshold in coming years.

Still, Gredd expressed resignation with the likelihood that the Obama administration’s proposed budget would emerge successfully from Congress.

“He’s in charge, and they’ve got the votes here in Congress,” he said.

Archived under: Administration, Economy & Budget, Lawmaker News, News
Tags: Commerce, Commerce Secretary, deficit, EU, European Union, GDP, gross domestic product, gsp, Judd Gregg, national debt

I guess Bob took a break. How about all the other libs:

Should George Soros he be allowed to profit off the backs of others when things are so bad for so many?

‘I’m having a very good crisis,’ says Soros as hedge fund managers make billions off recession”

This is an outrage! I wonder why the protesters are not outside of his home? Oh yeah, the protesters who picketed the AIG people were UNION folks and this was directed by the folks in the White House and ACORN - Also Soros is a bigshot with the LIBS. He should be taxes at 90%!

Should Rahm give the money back? Did he earn too much?

Rahm Emanuel’s profitable stint at mortgage giant
Short Freddie Mac stay made him at least $320,000

would this be considered excessive pay?

One of those allegedly asleep-at-the-switch board members was Chicago’s Rahm Emanuel—now chief of staff to President Barack Obama—who made at least $320,000 for a 14-month stint at Freddie Mac that required little effort.

As gatekeeper to Obama, Emanuel now plays a critical role in addressing the nation’s mortgage woes and fulfilling the administration’s pledge to impose responsibility on the financial world.

Magnum

sometimes and sometimes not. I have had conservatives argue both ways on this issue. This has been discussed extensively at other times and I do not wish to go into this again at this point.

slim,

1) 1500 Dentists filed fraudulent claims with Medicaid.

2) They should go to jail.

3) Congress refuses to fund anti-fraud measures for Medicaid and Medicare — because they don’t want them to succeed. Congress is just catering to the private insurance companies — nothing scares them more than a successful Medicare.

4) Yet another example of the Health Insurance Lobbyists running the country.

John

I do not know who soros is and I did not say it. I do not care if people made more than me, depending on how they make it because obviously I care if they make it by defrauding people. I do believe that there are questions on executive compensations etc. I also do not care how much they make if it is a privately held company. I do question people who worked for a company for 5 years as the CEO, the companies stock is half of what it was when they took over, they laid people off, then get a bonus for out standing work.

John,

Hedge Fund Managers currently have a sweet little tax loophole that allows them to have their earnings taxed at capital gains rates (15%) rather than ordinary income rates (35%). Obama wants to eliminate that loophole. Soros would and should be included in the group losing that sweet little perk. Soros will also be affected when the Bush tax cut on the top earners expires in 2011. That is good. I’m not sure why you think that we think Soros should be treated differently than anyone else.

Having said all of that, are you proposing that Hedge Fund Managers should be taxed at 90%, just like the executives who received bonuses with taxpayer monies? Did the Hedge Fund Managers receive taxpayer monies? Please explain in more detail, because I’m not sure what you are trying to say.

John

As for the EU. It could be true, I do find it interesting that some of those Eastern European countries were in such great financial shape.

I do find it funny that the conservatives on this site have screamed that they do not care one iota what old Europe is doing and what their rules are. That they do not want to hear about Old Europe laws or what is in their interest. They argue we should break from Old Europe

Now they use old Europe has an example and cry that we could not get into the EU with our policies. Guess what we could not under the policies they supported, so why are they all of a suddenly complaining? I would not trust their motives.

— John
Start providing some links if you want a response to your claims.

John: Rahm Emanuel—now chief of staff to President Barack Obama—who made at least $320,000 for a 14-month stint at Freddie Mac

$320,000 is peanuts compared to the salary and bonuses at AIG and the private banks. Heck, the some of the AIG executives are getting multi-million dollar bonuses.

I am a bit puzzled by the constant harping on Fannie and Freddie. They had a small part in this economic disaster. The government pledged up to $200 billion to bailout Fannie AND Freddie. So far, AIG has received $173 billion in bailout money.

MOST of the sub-prime mortgage loans were made in the private sector — NOT by Freddie and Fannie:

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/53802.html
They’ve specifically targeted the mortgage finance giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which the federal government seized on Sept. 6, contending that lending to poor and minority Americans caused Fannie’s and Freddie’s financial problems.

Federal housing data reveal that the charges aren’t true, and that the private sector, not the government or government-backed companies, was behind the soaring subprime lending at the core of the crisis.

Subprime lending offered high-cost loans to the weakest borrowers during the housing boom that lasted from 2001 to 2007. Subprime lending was at its height from 2004 to 2006.

Federal Reserve Board data show that:

– More than 84 percent of the subprime mortgages in 2006 were issued by private lending institutions.

– Private firms made nearly 83 percent of the subprime loans to low- and moderate-income borrowers that year.

– Only one of the top 25 subprime lenders in 2006 was directly subject to the housing law that’s being lambasted by conservative critics.

Another one for Lisa12

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/local/Examiner-Special-Report–Federal-programs-gave-addicts-street-drugs-41846907.html

“He may be right. John McCain was embarrassed last summer by revelations that his campaign manager, Rick Davis, had served as the president of the Homeownership Alliance, an advocacy group for Fannie and Freddie Mac, Fannie’s smaller brother. The “revolving door,” as people call it, between the Hill and Fannie and Freddie spun so quickly that it’s actually more surprising when someone isn’t on the list than when they are. Rahm Emanuel served on Freddie’s board! Right-wing godfather Grover Norquist lobbied for Fannie! Newt Gingrich was a consultant for Freddie, and Ralph Reed was a consultant for Fannie!”

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2009/02/fannie-and-freddie200902

Oh noes! Republicans involved in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac!!

But wait faithful viewers! There’s more!

“Freddie Mac paid McCain’s Campaign Manager, Rick Davis $15,000 a month ($180,000 per year) from the end of 2005 through the end of August ’08 for of a total of just over half a million dollars (I had the amount wrong this morning) It was used to buy access to the campaign, also, Mr. Davis lobbied congress on behalf of Fannie Mae with his consulting co., Davis- Manafort.”

The liberal Messiah is failing

http://www.nypost.com/seven/03252009/postopinion/opedcolumnists/os_foreign_failures_161154.htm?&page=1

screwed

what was you last post suppose to prove?

It shows someone who did not like Obama 2 years ago still does not like him. Big freakin surprise.

Bob Bob Bob

Even you should be able to figure this out. It just shows the world is finally agreeing Obama is NOT the worlds Messiah, and the world is being destroyed by his imcompetence. People are waking up all around the world.

Another good link for Lisa12

http://www.nypost.com/seven/03262009/postopinion/opedcolumnists/canadacare_may_have_killed_natasha_161372.htm

Lisa12

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20090321.RICHARDSON21/TPStory/?query=natasha+richardson

Lisa - I was being sarcastic about the 90%.

Soros is huge in the Democratic party. Why is he getting a free pass on earning billions off the backs of others when times are bad?

It just seems funny how easily you can defend anyone who made money and bonuses with Fannie and Freddie when they lost billions but all others are pure evil.

Loans made in the PRIVATE Sector: Right on, but WHY? Becasue of possible legal action if they did not. As is happening again right now!

The NAACP is sueing because banks are not lending to credit risks so now they are racists!

http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7014422259

I believe B.O was in on some of the legal lawsuits forcing banks to make these loans also. But then, it is the lenders fault, not the folks who litigated them into this corner.

http://scottthong.wordpress.com/2008/10/10/obama-sued-bank-to-force-it-to-give-out-risky-housing-loans-precursor-to-subprime-crisis/

I am sure this is all just Right Wing propaganda though. Why would anyone sue to FORCE someone to lend money to those who cannot pay it back or who are not qualified? Surely the Messiah is smarter than that.

screwed

What a strange person you are. An article, not news article but rather an opinion, is written by someone who never liked Obama. Look at how he even phrased it, the person is obviously only talking in negative terms.

This only shows that people who did not like Obama do not like Obama today. It also shows that you are grasping at some very thin straws.

Bob

Those are facts, not lies, like Obama speaks.

You blue eyed folks have been prospering all your lives and now the economy is all messed up and some of you are losing your homes and jobs now you can see how it feels when you try to keep certain groups of people from having any prosperity, right here in the State of Missouri. You make a dollar and pay me a dime. So if you are looking for sympathy in this economy then you will be waiting a long time. I know how to live on my dime, do you know how to live on your dollar. Ha Ha

Lisa,
“I am a bit puzzled by the constant harping on Fannie and Freddie. They had a small part in this economic disaster. The government pledged up to $200 billion to bailout Fannie AND Freddie. So far, AIG has received $173 billion in bailout money.”
- Are you saying that Freddie and Fannie shouldn’t be treated the same as AIG?
- Should they not return bonuses.
- Should Emanuel not practice what he is preaching?
Fannie and Freddie didn’t start the bus rolling, they merely jumped onboard. Yes, you can spin that it was private lenders who started it, but whom do you think bought the loans from the private lenders???? The likes of freddie and Fannie. If congress wants to take funds back from company A for giving bonuses, then company B should suffer the same fate. No picking and chosing based on politics.

http://useconomy.about.com/od/criticalssues/a/Fannie_Cause.htm

well yous folks just keeps voting for the democratic party that continues to hold you back. Tries voting differently sometimes.

Pat Mitchell…What is troubling you have no problem taking money from others. What does that say about YOU? not your race or whatever you may be, YOU.
What is such shallow thinking on your part is that you actually believe we have something to do with this. You probably believe that I had something to do with slavery also.
But if all you want is a dime of every dollar, I am fine, tell Obama and the others to let me keep the other 90% that I earn.

And we want health care just like good ol Canada - My sister who lives says we don’t want it, but here is a story. Sad one at that. Is this sensationalism news or what may lie ahead? Either way, it is a shame.

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COULD actress Natasha Richardson’s tragic death have been prevented if her skiing accident had occurred in America rather than Canada?

Canadian health care de-emphasizes widespread dissemination of technology like CT scanners and quick access to specialists like neurosurgeons. While all the facts of Richardson’s medical care haven’t been released, enough is known to pose questions with profound implications.

Richardson died of an epidural hematoma — a bleeding artery between the skull and brain that compresses and ultimately causes fatal brain damage via pressure buildup. With prompt diagnosis by CT scan, and surgery to drain the blood, most patients survive.

Could Richardson have received this care? Where it happened in Canada, no. In many US resorts, yes.

Between noon and 1 p.m., Richardson sustained what appeared to be a trivial head injury while skiing at Mt. Tremblant in Quebec. Within minutes, she was offered medical assistance but declined to be seen by paramedics.

But this delay is common in the early stages of epidural hematoma when patients have few symptoms — and there is reason to believe her case wasn’t beyond hope at that point.

About three hours after the accident, the actress was taken to Centre Hospitalier Laurentien, in Sainte-Agathe-des-Monts, 25 miles from the resort. Hospital spokesman Alain Paquette said she was conscious upon reaching the hospital about 4 p.m.

The initial paramedic assessment, travel time to the hospital and time she spent there was nearly two hours — the crucial interval in this case. Survival rates for patients with epidural hematomas, conscious on arrival to a hospital, are good.

Richardson’s evaluation required an immediate CT scan for diagnosis — followed by either a complete removal of accumulated blood by a neurosurgeon or a procedure by a trauma surgeon or emergency physician to relieve the pressure and allow her to be transported.

But Sainte-Agathe-des-Monts is a town of 9,000 people. Its hospital doesn’t have specialized neurology or trauma services. It hasn’t been reported whether the hospital has a CT scanner, but CT scanners are less common in Canada.

Compounding the problem, Quebec has no helicopter services to trauma centers in Montreal. Richardson was transferred by ambulance to Hospital du Sacre-Coeur, a trauma center 50 miles away in Montreal — a further delay of over an hour.

Because she didn’t arrive at a facility capable of treatment (with the diagnosis perhaps still unknown) until six hours after the injury, in all likelihood by that time the pressure buildup was fatal. The Montreal hospital could not have saved her life

“I am a bit puzzled by the constant harping on Fannie and Freddie. They had a small part in this economic disaster. The government pledged up to $200 billion to bailout Fannie AND Freddie.”

The government is pledging up to $200 billion and they only had a small part? Nice to know $200 billion in help is considered small.

I personally keep that kind of change laying around myself, its chump change. I mean really, $600 billion is too much to just keep on hand like that in the jar in my kitchen.

I feel bad that I was so vocal in complaining about the $1200 toilet and $600 of the Reagan era, little did I realize how cheap this country had it back then…..

“Even you should be able to figure this out. It just shows the world is finally agreeing Obama is NOT the worlds Messiah, and the world is being destroyed by his imcompetence. People are waking up all around the world.”
— we are screwed

uhhh…. yeah…. his popularity has slipped -to only DOUBLE what George Bush’s was.

And? He’s popular with Republicans as well. Except for the ‘Twenty-Two Percenters’

— John
” . and we want health care just like good ol Canada . ”
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You forgot to plagiarize the sensationalist headline, “Canadacare May Have Killed Natasha”, from the rest that you plagiarized from the NY Post. Like John, the author, Cory Franklin, takes the opportunity to use a horrible tragedy to push his severe right wing agenda. Want to bet which side of our reforms of healthcare Cory is on?
John both you and Cory should hang your head in shame for politicizing this horrible tragedy.
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Right wing agenda?
Judge for yourself based on some of Cory’s previous publications.
http://politicalmavens.com/index.php/author/coryfranklin/
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btw here’s the article John plagiarized
http://www.nypost.com/seven/03262009/postopinion/opedcolumnists/canadacare_may_have_killed_natasha_161372.htm

budb1969:
- Are you saying that Freddie and Fannie shouldn’t be treated the same as AIG?
- Should they not return bonuses.
- Should Emanuel not practice what he is preaching?

Rahm was a director for Freddie in 2000. Rahm received $320,000 in salary, not bonus. Are Freddie and Fannie executives currently getting bonuses???? If so, then yes they should return them.

STL - I put before story I posted: Is this sensationalism news or what may lie ahead? Either way, it is a shame.

Spare me the plagerism crap. I made no claim to writing it and included the authors name. It does not take much to get you up in a tizzy.

I find it hard to believe you never heard of George Soros too. If not, look him up and you will find he is wonderful, rich, human being and a lib!
Of course I am mocking the wonderful and being human.
Oh sorry, that may have been bob, all of you post the same anyway and have never answered if you think it was good for B.O. and the boys to print a trillion dollars and if we should keep on printing.

John,
Don’t bother responding to any post from stl. He apparently just discovered google and is a kid in a candy store. Don’t bother to try and explain plaigarism to him either, he won’t understand the concept. You know, cite the work, author, etc,,,,,,,if you plan on using it in a published document.
Lisa,
Emanuel quit in 2003 for congress.

budb1969:Emanuel quit in 2003 for congress.

I have no idea why it matters, but for the record, he quit in 2001.
Add 14 months to February, 2000.

(LINK) Obama aide had stint at Freddie
Emanuel earned at least $320,000 for his 14-month stint at Freddie Mac. … Clinton appointed him to the Freddie Mac board in February 2000.

test

— John
” . . all of you post the same anyway and have never answered if you think it was good for B.O. and the boys to print a trillion dollars and if we should keep on printing.”
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You never asked me the question
Must have been Bob
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I’ll ignore the cheap shot for now

Lisa: Emanuel not only left congress in 2001, he served a tidy two years with an investment banking firm. Of course he had no experience or qualifications for the position, but managed to earn $18,000,000. What did he do, well, he was the key player in a couple of mergers that needed federal government approval to conclude. I am in Hot Springs, betting horses at Oaklawn Park, but will be glad to provide the details of this if anyone (STL) desires upon my return to the Ozarks.

Lisa,
I stand correcetd!

22twain: The government is pledging up to $200 billion and they only had a small part?

I would love to see a list of how much bailout money has been given away so far, and to whom. Anyone have a link to such a list? Anyway, using the article at the link as a reference, this is my list. (Note: interesting discussion of Fannie/Freddie bonuses in this article) So far, Fannie and Freddie have not taken huge sums of money (relatively speaking). Of course, the big question remains, how much more money will be dispersed, and to whom.

(LINK) Bloomberg
Fannie — $15.2 billion (not from TARP funds)
Freddie — $44.6 billion (not from TARP funds)
AIG — $173 billion (not from TARP funds)

TARP — ~$300 billion (various banks and companies)

I’ll try that link again from an earlier comment:

(LINK) Obama aide had stint at Freddie

Well, as long as the subject of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are being raised again…

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac paid McCain’s Campaign Manager, Rick Davis $15,000 a month ($180,000 per year) from the end of 2005 through the end of August ’08 for of a total of just over half a million dollars. It was used to buy access to the campaign, also, Mr. Davis lobbied congress on behalf of Fannie Mae with his consulting co., Davis- Manafort.

“Lisa: Emanuel not only left congress in 2001, he served a tidy two years with an investment banking firm. Of course he had no experience or qualifications for the position, but managed to earn $18,000,000. What did he do, well, he was the key player in a couple of mergers that needed federal government approval to conclude. I am in Hot Springs, betting horses at Oaklawn Park, but will be glad to provide the details of this if anyone (STL) desires upon my return to the Ozarks.”
Lost in the Ozarks

Lost in the Ozarks, what is this obsession you conservatives have with the past and always digging up archaic information? Can you try to be more relevant?

But let’s focus Lost in the Ozarks’ logic on Dick Cheney and what he did to earn so much money at Halliburton:

What unique skill-set and business acumen did Cheney offer Halliburton, as a contractor to the military?

‘Access and influence’… Pure and simple- having served as defense secretary under George H. Bush.

Lost in the Ozarks, your canard: “no experience or qualifications for the position” –seems to apply equally to Dick Cheney…

On the Sept. 14, 2003 edition of NBC’s Meet the Press, Vice President Dick Cheney said, “And since I left Halliburton to become George Bush’s vice president, I’ve severed all my ties with the company, gotten rid of all my financial interest. I have no financial interest in Halliburton of any kind and haven’t had, now, for over three years.”

But, just as Cheney’s wild claims about weapons of mass destruction turned out to be untrue and his claim that Halliburton had no ties to Saddam Hussein was bogus, his denial about profiting from Halliburton as vice president was also a bald-face lie. So while Cheney denied any relationship with Halliburton as vice president, he conveniently forgot to mention that he continues to receive from the company deferred salary of over $150,000 while maintaining 433,333 shares of unexercised stock options. Certainly, Cheney has a “financial interest in Halliburton” while working as vice president.

When confronted with the proof of his ongoing financial ties with Halliburton, Cheney responded by claiming his deferred salary and stock options are not actually a “financial interest” as defined by federal ethics standards and therefore not a conflict of interest. This prompted the Congressional Research Service to issue a report which confirmed Cheney’s ongoing financial interest in Halliburton “is considered among the ‘ties’ retained in or ‘linkages to former employers’ that may ‘represent a continuing financial interest’ in those employers which makes them potential conflicts of interest.”

Caught in another lie, Cheney manufactured another excuse: He said the financial interest in Halliburton is not tied to the success or failure of the company because of an insurance policy. In other words, the insurance policy, which guarantees his financial interest will be paid to him regardless of Halliburton’s success or failure, is proof there is no quid-pro-quo.

Cheney’s deferred compensation and stock option benefits are in addition to a $20 million retirement package paid to him by Halliburton after only five years of employment; a $1.4 million cash bonus paid to him by Halliburton in 2001; and additional millions of dollars in compensation paid to him while he was employed by the company.

A link, anyone?
http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/about_hal/ethics.html

I would not advise any rational readers to hold their breath waiting for ‘Lost in the Ozarks,’ ‘Amazed by self-lunacy,’ ’slim,’ ‘John,’ ‘Stuperdave,’ ‘bud,’ ‘dr.debunk,’ ‘lamecock’ etc. to suddenly start posting messages decrying all of Cheney’s lies… ilk such as they only feel outraged when a Democrat lies… funny, that.

Friday, March 13, 2009 07:15 PDT
Karl Rove’s funny numbers

“The second “most read” story on the Wall Street Journal Web site Friday morning was a column by Karl Rove, “The White House Misfires on Limbaugh.” It’s a fascinating column in a number of respects — not least the Alice-in-Wonderland quality of watching Karl Rove criticize someone else for politicizing the White House. But one paragraph jumps out.

And among those [unpleasant realities] America now faces is Mr. Obama adding $3.2 trillion to the national debt in his first 20 months and 11 days in office, eclipsing the $2.9 trillion added during the Bush presidency’s entire eight years.

Where in the world does that $2.9 trillion number come from?

When George W. Bush took office, the national debt was $5.66 trillion. When George Bush left office, it was $10.62 trillion.

Now it is true that Obama’s budget does forecast the national debt rising to $14 trillion by next year. But that’s the kind of unpleasant reality one must grapple with, when your first order of business after moving into the White House is to clean up the incredible mess left by the last guy. Obama took office and immediately confronted two wars, a broken banking system, and the worst economic contraction since the Great Depression. If he fixes those problems, while adding his own umpteen trillions to the national debt, we might end up considering it a bargain.

But no matter how much Karl Rove attempts to spin the facts, history is never going to look back at George Bush’s doubling of the national debt, and go, you know what, it was worth it!”
― Andrew Leonard

http://www.salon.com/tech/htww/2009/03/13/the_math_of_karl_rove/index.html

-JOHN

OH you poor man, you have nothing better to do than sit around and blog all day long. My problem is that the truth could be staring you right in the face, and you will still deny it. Yes, you are the descendant of the old confederate republicans here in Missouri who practiced staunch racism. It is in your blood. You people live in denial…

Lisa12,

Your the one that said they pledged up to $200 billion to bail out Freddie and Fannie, not I. So they only used a few billion so far, what happens if they need all $200 billion? If you can consider $60 billion a few billion, relatively speaking….

As a side note, it appears that some of the justification that liberals give for Obama running a deficit is to fix the problems left to him. If thats the case, why critize Reagan for running deficits? Then again, no one seems to remember that Carter left Reagan a deficit either.

And Republicans have no reason to talk either, from 2001 to 2007 budget years you guys ran up a pretty big bill you know.

Its like I said. Pot. Kettle. Black. And it does not matter which side you pick either…..

And why is it that NBC doesn’t do the “Fleecing of America” series any more. Based on the past few months, it seems like it has gotten worse…..

“1. Russ Carnahan is a decent, honest man who makes a difference because he’s not afraid to take on tough issues and do the right thing.”

Tim Hogan

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I just about bust my gut laughing at this line.