Yeah, if only they all read the Patri-out Act cover to cover.

Dan,

That should be an amendment.

Portnoy,

I agree that they should have read the d*** bill, but are you really that upset that the patriot act kept us safe? Have you ever read the patriot act? We’ve had far worse legislation enacted since then. I disagree with several parts of the patriot act, put only those parts that DON’T pertain to NON Americans.

And how has the patriot act affected you personally? Hmmm? Are your containers stuck in a port somewhere? Do you fear wiretapping on your phone when you make calls to Pakistan?

With 300K pages of laws on the books (prior to the several K more added this year), my wish is that for every new law, 10 must be revoked. The constitution would be off limits of course.

With the hundreds of thousands of pages of documents that are part of all of the bills that Congress has to consider, each year, it is not posible for every member to read every page of every bill. This is why there is a committee system.

Dan, did you fail Civics?

Correction–

Possible

Port,

Great come back. They did it and we hated it, but, since they did it we are going to do it an blame them. Grow up and admit you guy is like all the others and will tell you what you want to hear to get voted in and then do whatever the hell they want.

The way it should be:
1. Every bill passed must apply to every member of congress the same as it applies to everyone else. This includes Social Security, Medicare, and any health care/insurance reform. We pay you enough to fund your own retirement and health care.
2. Every bill must state the Article and Clause of the U.S. Constitution that authorizes Congress to enact such a bill. (The General Welfare clause cannot be used as it was never meant to be a catch all).
3. Every bill must be fully funded and if a new tax is required it must contain a sunset clause. For example, If a tax is passed for new bridges, a specific date must be included stating when the project will be completed. At that time the tax will disappear. Any and all extensions require a public vote.
4. All congressional votes must be roll call votes. We have too many voice votes where there is no record of who voted for what.
5. Every budget bill must be balanced without borrowing. Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid must be fully funded in cash, not worthless paper.
6. Every bill must be read. If you can’t understand it without two lawyers, Rep Conyers, it’s a bad bill and you’re in the wrong job.

This is far from an all inclusive list but it’s a start.

Jellio,

If they don’t read them, they shouldn’t vote on them. Why would you want someone to vote on a bill they’ve never read? If there are too many for then to read they need to learn to read faster or slow down and not enact so much worthless crapola.

Dan,

I don’t usually agree with Rep. John Conyers (D, Michigan), but I do appreciate his statement re the health care bill. He was asked if he had read all 1000 pages of the proposed legislation. He said he had not because of its length and the fact that you’d need 2 lawyers along to explain it!

Most major legislation today is so complicted no one can decipher it, and it often takes years of ‘administrative rulings’ before all the ambiguous areas are clarified. This really puts the devil in the details. As the Congressional Budget Office stated in a July 26 letter to Rep. Camp, many of those administrative decisions will be made by the head of HHS (Health & Human Services) or whoever ends up with the authority under the legislation.

What we end up with is the consumer (patient)left out of health care decision-making, and neither patients, employers nor health care providers able to challenge what they feel are unfair decisions. Once an unelected bureaucrat, whether from an insurance company or a government ‘health care advisory board’, makes a decision, it’s very difficult to reverse it or change the system.

We need to put consumers back in charge of their own health care decisions. This would require government to give up much of its current control in order to simplify the process, and it’s the biggest obstacle of all.

So much for the liberal policy of “banning guns” in major U.S. Cities…read below.
Hmmmm…how in the hell are people being shot if there is a gun ban? Gee, I just don’t understand? Walmart doesn’t sell guns in Chicago, so where are these kids getting guns if they are illegal?

More Than A Dozen Shot In Chicago Overnight
7 Victims In One Attack; Total Of 15 Hurt Over Four HoursCHICAGO (CBS) ― Click to enlarge1 of 1
Seven people were shot late Tuesday at Homan Boulevard and Walnut Street on the city’s West Side, in one of numerous overnight shootings that left more than a dozen people wounded.
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numSlides of totalImages Related Slideshows In To Be Out: Gay Celebrities Coolest Fighter Jets … EVER! Celebs Who Lean To The Right Real Or Fake? ESPN Star Erin Andrews Top 10 Smartest And Dumbest Dog Breeds Jewish Celebrities Celebrities Separated At Birth? Hottest Female Athletes Celebrities Hitting The Big 4-0 In 2009 At least 15 people were shot and wounded in Chicago overnight, seven of them in a single incident on the city’s West Side.

In that incident, police were called to the scene of a shooting at Walnut Street and Homan Boulevard at 10:43 p.m.

Seven people were shot, according to Fire Media Affairs Dir. Larry Langford, who said six people were initially hospitalized in critical condition and one person, an adult man, was taken in stable condition after suffering a graze wound.

One person was found shot inside a grocery store and the six others were found within a half-block radius of the store, Langford said.

All victims were male, Langford said. They ranged in age from 15 to 28, and were taken to Northwestern Memorial Hospital, St. Anthony Hospital and Stroger Hospital of Cook County for treatment of their wounds.

The shooter or shooters are unknown early Wednesday and no one is in custody, police said.

About an hour earlier, three people — including a woman standing with her baby in a stroller — were shot within 20 minutes in separate incidents on the South and West sides.

In the South Shore neighborhood about 9:30 p.m., a 22-year-old man was shot in the hand and suffered a minor head wound at 7700 S. Avalon Ave., Langford said.

The shooting was preceded by a carjacking more than two hours earlier in the 8800 block of South Parnell Avenue, when five suspects approached the victim and physically removed him from his vehicle at gunpoint, according to police News Affairs.

The suspects then put him in their vehicle and took him to his residence, where they stole his TVs. After the robbery, they drove the victim to the Avalon Avenue address where they beat him and then shot him as he ran away, News Affairs said.

The man was taken to Stroger Hospital of Cook County in stable condition, Langford said.

At 9:31 p.m. near the intersection of King Drive and 64th Street in the Woodlawn neighborhood, a 25-year-old woman was shot.

She was standing outside with her baby in a stroller talking to friends on the grounds of a gated housing development when three males wearing black hoodies burst out of a nearby Auto Zone store and opened fire, according to a Grand Crossing District police captain.

The woman — who was not the target of the shooting — then felt a sharp pain in her lower right leg and discovered she was shot, according to the captain, who said the baby was fine and no one else was shot.

The woman was taken to University of Chicago Hospitals in good condition, according to the captain and Langford.

In a third shooting, a 22-year-old man walked into Loretto Hospital with a gunshot wound to the ankle after being shot at 165 N. Laporte Ave. in the West Side’s Austin neighborhood about 9:50 p.m, Langford said. Police News Affairs Officer Ron Gaines said the shooting possibly happened during a robbery and that the victim was in good condition at the hospital.

But even after all that, the violence wasn’t over.

At 11:02 p.m., two men were shot as they sat on a porch at 3037 S. Springfield Ave. in the Little Village neighborhood. They were shot by members of a rival gang who came by on foot, police said.

One victim was shot in the chest and the other was shot in the eye and both went to Mount Sinai Hospital in stable condition, according to Gaines, who said the injuries did not appear to be life-threatening.

Not long afterward, a man was hit by gunfire in the 4200 block of South Wells Street, when two other males began shooting about 11:20 p.m., according to a report from police News Affairs. The victim was hit in the leg and taken in stable condition at Provident Hospital of Cook County, the report said.

Farther south, a teenage boy was shot and wounded late Tuesday while walking in the 10700 block of South Champlain Avenue about 11:50 p.m. The shooting was a drive-by, and police are looking for a white GMC.

he teen was hit in his right side and is in good condition at Advocate Christ Medical Center in Oak Lawn, police News Affairs said. Detectives said the victim was treated and released from Christ.

In another incident, a man was shot and critically wounded at 7211 S. Cornell Ave. in the South Shore neighborhood. He was shot and wounded in the chest and upper shoulder at 1:19 a.m., police said.

The man had been sitting inside his car — where investigators found blood — but he was found shot on the street about four doors down, according to police. He was taken to Northwestern Memorial Hospital in critical condition.

The STNG Wire contributed to this report.
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