Clair,

I’m conservative and have often voted split ticket. I like you. Don’t go down with the Obama ship.

A couple of questions for Claire, or any dem who chooses to answer:

Was Geraldine Ferraro’s statement that BMN is where he is because he is black a racist statement?

Was Jeremiah Wright’s comments referring to the US as the United States of KKK America a racist statement?

Claire- don’t candy-coat this abhorrent tirade of Wright. There is no way around it or justifying it. So just put it to rest. Let the pieces fly and fall as they may.

I am appalled at how many black talking heads on TV tonight are talking about Wrights comments being “taken out of context,” like Clair is saying. “Out of context?” How can the remark that the government invented HIV as part of a genocide against blacks, be “out of context?” They are also saying that we have to understand that it is “just part of the black experience,” or “the black culture.”

There you have it; racist remarks are just fine, as long as it is just part of YOUR culture.

Clair, I would have loved for you in your re-election bid until this statement.

If you knew something was not right in a MO state office as Auditor and you did not act, that would be wrong, correct? OB sat in that church hearing that message for 20 years (just like Oprah) and did not stand up and say that it was wrong.

Aside from that, OB said Wright was his spiritual advisor. The person he consulted on such matters. That is a very serious mis-judgement, and a huge percentage of American’s want to understand exactly what his church is preaching and what other black churches are preaching.

Sen. Claire has the good common sense that so many others lack.

Nothing the Rev. said was racist.

We who want change will not allow self righteous inflicted ones such as the Rush Limbaugh’s, Sean Hannity’s, Bill O’Reilly’s, Pat Buchanan’s of America or these types to drive this situation in the destructive direction they are all dying to take this.

Happy Pants and Star20 is just going to drive themselves crazy trying to however.

Hell, all Presidents have close associates who have said outlandish and off based non-factual things, including things that were outright offensive. The only moral thing anyone can do is rebuke what was said and separate one’ self from that belief or statement.

Do we throw our pastor away by the way side because of outlandish statements that were not grave sins? No, only if the pastor committed some grave sin or crime that is a deadly sin, or if he lead his flock into grave sin would it be neccessary to kick to the curb your pastor and church. Sorry, to break it to you all, but Rev. Wright did not commit any grave and deadly sin or lead his flock into any such sin that would require any Christian to walk away from him and the church.

Unknowing people should keep quiet about things of spiritual nature and matters when they do not know what the Holy Scriptures teach on the subject they are giving others advice about.

Anything concerning that pastor and that church are of spiritual matters and are to be dealt with biblically, not in a worldly fashion.

Si Vi,

Isn’t it true that the KKK is an American terrorist organization? It most certainly is Sir. That statement isn’t racist, it’s true. And if you were Rev. Wright in age and color, you would also know first hand how true that was. Thank God, people are wanting change, maybe not you guys Si Viu, Happy Pants, and Star20, but enough of us really want to see change and to overcome our racist and corrupt unjust past and present. It would be a blessing if Rev. Wright can finally witness this type of genuine change in America.

Rev. Wright’s statements regarding HIV, blacks and the government are outlandish, to say the least. Apparently, however, that is a common belief in the AA community. Based on history, you can hardly blame them …

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/03/16/MNOUVHQVB.DTL&type=health
The infamous Tuskegee Syphilis Study, a government experiment that charted the effects of the untreated disease on mostly poor and uneducated black men, was conducted for 40 years before it was exposed and ended in 1972 amid widespread condemnation.
A number of participants in the study died of the disease, which the men spread to women and to children at birth.

Lisa12 - I’m black and I have never heard anyone say that the government introduced AIDS to the black community. I will admit there are many blacks as there are many whites who do not trust the government.

D. Walker - I hate to disagree with you, but any decent person is not going to sit in a church and listen to a minister spewing profanity and racial slurs. For those that would, than that is something they have to live with, but I have always chosen not to deal with those types of people. We are who we are based on our life experience.

My life experience is that of watching my grandfatther, a black minister who started two churches in west Tennessee, give sermons every Sunday. My grandfather was my role model for how ministers are supposed to conduct themselves. My grandfather preached on the very same issues that Wright has preached on, but never did he use profanity and racial slurs to make a point. His message and delivery was strong enough to make his point without hateful rhetoric.
I also attended a predominantly white Southern Baptist church in North County. Even though the sermons bored me because they were not delivered like my grandfather’s, I never heard anything like what Wright said in those video clips. I don’t care if the words were just a part of his sermon which may have made good points. I just have never heard nor do I expect to hear ministers talk like that on any day during the week. That is based on my life experience, so I will have to respectfully disagree with you and others on this issue.

I had been waiting for the Senator McCaskill to comment on her endorsement of Obama and now I wish she had just stayed silent. That way I could have imagined her saying the right thing.

Wright is entitled to say what he want to say in his church. Obama, the private citizen can attend the church and nod in agreement if he chooses to do so. I do not have a problem with his attendance at the church because it does not affect me or my family. However, I do have a problem with Obama, the presidential candidate, attending the church and listening to Wright for over 20 years. To continue to sit there and listen to Wright is a judgment call by Obama and one I seriously have problems with. Therefore, if I do not like Obama’s judgment as a private citizen. I definitely cannot support his judgment as a candidate because if he win’s the presidency, he will have an impact on my life and those I care about. That would not be intelligent on my part.

http://www.unfilteredopinion.com

According to Obama, this man is his spiritual advisor. Would you trust the judgement of someone who fosters these beliefs? Obama claims he never heard these remarks when he was present, and if he had, he’d have voiced his objection. Are we to assume the Reverend never said these things in the 20 years Obama was present? For the life of me, I can’t understand what people see in this man. Yes, he’s charismatic, but he’s an empty suit. Check his Congressional record. What bills has he sponsored? Among his fellow Senators, his absentee rate is one of the worst, even before he began his quest for President. And I might add, since being elected, the only thing he’s done is run for President.

Tuskegee study was funded and started under a Democratic President & Congress. Jim Crow laws and voting laws were started by Democrats. The Klan flurished under Democrats in the South. The Fourteenth Amendment was made by Republicans. The 1964 Civil Rights acts were voted in after a Southern Filibuster lead by Al Gore’ father and a senator from Arkansas who was Bill Clinton’s mentor, that filibuster was broken thanks to Republican senators. As to this Racist preacher, if he is a “true Christian”, we would have heard actual Bibical quotes pertaining to his rants from the pulpit. One of the Ten Commandments is not to curse God. GD is cursing God. Mr. Obama will try to skate around this person and deny everything. He was his “mentor” and “spiritual leader”. If you watch the audience both the choir and in the congregation there are many that are sitting there stunned by his comments. I am sure we find that Mr. Obama was at some of these hateful sermons. Also there are many blacks who are serving this country both civilian and military that not cursing America. This is not a “true Christian”. Also the poor excuse that the church is serving the community, so did Adolph Hitler give free beer and food during many of his speeches in Munich. Missouri’s junior Senator knows nothing about the Junior Senator from Illinois. We are facing such serious challenges from many bad people and Mr. Obama wants to have dialog with them. So did Neville Chamberlain want dialog rather than confrontation. Look what that got us World War II !

No one is responsible for other people’s behavior. Each of us is responsible for our own. Are we to toss friends and acquintances on the heap because they say wacky things or have different beliefs and dismiss the good in them? Just because someone might listen to other lines of thought doesn’t mean they are in agreement. Don’t like Obama? Don’t vote for him. The self-righteousness associated with these elections is nauseating. Let’s get a grip here.

Well boys and girls here’s the speech:

http://www.drudgereport.com/flashos.htm

Make of it as you will.

Me? I think that, in an effort to not offend anyone, that he has offended everyone. Black won’t like it, as he throws Wright… and them, under the bus. Whites won’t like it because he says the job isn’t done that we are all still racist.

Obama just might have lost the campaign today

timeout,

Would you be as charitable and forgiving if McCain’s pastor was “The Imperial Wizard?”

Star20,

You are a “Master of Deception”. I take that back because a master at deception appears as light, you do not. There’s nothing remotely close or like about Rev. Wright and The Imperial Wizard”

And to those of you still harping over Rev. wright words:

Just as Billy Graham is a great spiritual leader so is Rev. Wright. Grahram was a spiritual leader to Nixon and it was caught on wiretap Graham making anti-semetic statements. Do I believe that those racist statements define who Billy Graham is, No.

What you see being flashed over and over again in the media, does not define who Rev. Wright is.

Just like myself who is guilty of saying some of the most regretful things to my loved ones, does not define who I am. All those regretful things that came from my mouth came out of frustration, hurt and anger. Every man, woman and child are guilty even every spiritual leader.

There will even be a price to pay for all the self righteousness of ones who are so harshly judging Rev. Wright and Obama.

I give Obama supporters more credit than the anti-Obama crowd. The anti-Obama crowd, well, what else could anyone expect from the Star20, Si Vi,’s, Pat Buchannan of the world and others who cannot accept to hear hurtful truths because none of us like to hear hurtful truths.

It reminds me of a lot of families that have the issue of child molesation and sexual abuse by a parent. The family is more comfortable with ignoring and denying that the sexual abuse against the child exists. But, this denial allows the family to function and go on, by pretending and making themselves believe it is not happening, even though deep hidden down in their soul they know it is happening. The scares and wounds of the victim of this abuse are real, but her abusers refuse to validate that this abuse is taking place. They are more comfortable pretending that everything is alright than deal with the problem. That child in the mean time have to deal with the pain, anger, then finally HATE and also the conflicting emotion of LOVE.

If such a child finally speak out about her abuse, the family treat her as if she did something so horrible, she told the truth. Some other thinking this child have due to her abuse is somewhat distorted, but the family is more upset with the child than her abuser who is also her parent. But, the greatest problem for the family is that they must now acknowledge their wrongs and look at themselves.

This is how I see America’s Black and White race issue.

This is sad. Just as real as that child’s abuse and its effects on the entire family. Racism in America effects every aspect of this society and its people.

The after effects of racism also gives Whites legitimate concerns concerning African Americans, kind of like feeling you must sleep with one eye open attitude of fear.

We must address these concerns not ignore them.

Sad, what we are witnessing and how those with political motives are twisting and using such a serious issue as this for ploitical gain. We must do better than what I am witnessing in this country right now concerning race. And Yes we can.

Its ugly, but it can be overcome, like many abused children can overcome with the right care, attitudes and genuine desire for change by all.

Palm Harbor,

Are you so foolish to think that anyone think that there are not racist Democrats, both, Whites and Blacks?

During the Hoover days, many of those racist Democrats migrated to the Republican Party. Also, Hoover was one of the creators of this new Republican Party as we know it today, not so African American friendly, way too grieving for most African Americans and others hearing the likes of Pat Bucahnan, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and the likes.

The real change we need is to rid ourselves and government of all the old timers (Democrats and Republicans) stuck in their old and deceitful ways of operating government. Their ideals and thoughts and hearts are like weights around the neck of the U.S. government. Our government will be alot better off without these people.

In Missourti I must say, I am so proud of Claire McCaskil. I saw her questionaing official in the banking industry concerning the credit card interest rates. What a smart and remarkable lady who is for you and I, the people. She is impressive. We need alot more Claire McCaskils in Washington.

IMO, the only rational post that has appeared so far is by timeout #11. Since it is so good and I could not possible expand upon it, let’s just reprint it for all you boyz and gurls. Y’all take the time to read it, now, ya hear? Then ponder…

11. No one is responsible for other people’s behavior. Each of us is responsible for our own. Are we to toss friends and acquintances on the heap because they say wacky things or have different beliefs and dismiss the good in them? Just because someone might listen to other lines of thought doesn’t mean they are in agreement. Don’t like Obama? Don’t vote for him. The self-righteousness associated with these elections is nauseating. Let’s get a grip here.

Ta, ta!

Amen , unfiltered. Well put.
Claire, don’t play everyone for a fool. We heard the sermons. We understand what Wright meant.
Sounded kind of like what one might hear in a radical mosque.
Either extremely poor judgement to listen to this stuff for 20 years (unlikely) or he agrees with it.

The Tuskegee Study did not create syphillis. They only allowed it to go untreated on blacks because normally the blacks would not seek treatment anyhow. How does this study compare to Wright’s assertion that whites created AIDS? It does not at all. So please do not bring up such frivolous fodder again. Nothing can cover up or justify what Wright has said.

Gaydem and all your cockiness go vote for your buddy, Obama. His spiritual advisor for 20 years meant no harm when he took God’s name in vain for America’s sake, I’m sure. Obama’s Uncle Jeremiah Wright doesn’t tell Obama how or what to think—he ONLY attends his Church, that’s all.

Dan(19): They only allowed it to go untreated on blacks because normally the blacks would not seek treatment anyhow.

Wow. What can I say that won’t result in my getting banned? ::rolls eyes:: and ::bites tongue::

unfiltered: Lisa12 - I’m black and I have never heard anyone say that the government introduced AIDS to the black community.

I am not black, but a black person had stated that on another message board. Thus, my use of “apparently”, but if I am wrong, then I stand corrected. I am curious, who would do you prefer between Obama, Clinton and McCain?

Why doesn’t this blog have an edit feature? “who would do you prefer” should be “who do you prefer”.

tsquare how this statement from the Obama speech throwing Wright “under the bus”?

“I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community,” Obama said. “I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother — a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.”

It’s things like this that simply amaze me. Obama said he would never disown Wright, he even went on to say “Some will see this as an attempt to justify or excuse comments that are simply inexcusable. I can assure you it is not. I suppose the politically safe thing would be to move on from this episode and just hope that it fades into the woodwork.”

and some people on the right claim that Obama throws Wright under the bus? I guess it’s called perspectives.

We all have people that we love and respect that we sometimes disagree with. Yet we or at least most of us still love them. We don’t have to embrace their positions to respect them. Life’s funny that way

#19 Dan:

I pray that God will bless you. It took me a while before I could respond to what you stated concerning the Tuckegee Study. The only thing that I was lead to do that God would approve of was to pray for you and all others with this same heart condition.

May sound corney, but you should think about what you have stated and if you do not still understand the seriousness of the condition of your soul (heart), pray to God to shine His light on all that is wrong with your thinking. He will begin His work in you if you are genuine.

#8, unfilteredsportsbiz,

May God bless your grandfather for his service and the good impression that he leaves on you, his grandson. However, it is really unfortunate that you measure every minister to your grandfather. Your grandfather is one individual and every other minister are individuals with their own issues and short comings. They all do have short comings, just as the rest of us.

As a Christian and the grandson of a Christian minister, you know that you have no business getting caught up in judging one of God’s own by the standards of the secular world as is happening in this situation.

Let’s not be so judgmental and try not to be so self righteous. We all are at times guilty of that also, we all do it, but let’s all try to recognize it in ourselves when we are doing it.

It is unjust to attempt to define Rev. Wright by the sound bytes that we are hearing over and over again. It is utterly behaving as immaturely as little children.

In fact, Brite Divinity College is honoring him with an award for his great ministry on social justice and humanity . This is a predominately White Theological College.

Don’t fall into the trap of not seriously checking out everything that is said and placing them in their proper context. Don’t allow that duty to be drowned out by the sound bytes of others and the media.

Also, God has blessed ministers with unique gifts and different ministries and different ministry styles.

(God gave each of us our experiences to use to glorify Him. God never waste a hurt). Quote from my pastor a few weeks ago in his teaching on Rick Warren’s, “Purpose Driven Life”.

It is just plain wrong for any Christian to join in with the secular world in this way against this man of God.

One who truly want to get a more truthful insight of who Rev. Wright is go to the web-site below:

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/03/for-the-record.html

Welcome to the D. Walker’s Ministry Hour!

Walker, do you subscribe to Wright’s teachings?

Shame on you and St. Louis.

CLAIRE MCCASKILL,

WHAT ON GOD’S GREEN EARTH ARE YOU THINKING? IN MY HOUSEHOLD WE SAY “GOD BLESS AMERICA”, ——NOT—–GOD DAMN AMERICA. HOW DO YOU TAKE THAT OUT OF CONTEXT?

BECAUSE OF YOU, I SUPPORTED OBAMA. I HAVE DROPPED MY SUPPORT. I MIGHT AS WELL HAVE SUPPORTED AL-QAIDA, AFTER ALL - THEY WANT TO DAMN AMERICA TO.

AFTER OBAMA’S WIFE’S COMMENTS, THE DAMNING OF AMERICA, NOT TO MENTION - THE HIV STATEMENT, IF YOU WANT RE-ELECTION, I SUGGEST YOU IMMEDIATELY DISASSOCIATE YOURSELF FROM OBAMA.

I HAVE SEEN THE FOOTAGE OF YOU AT EVENTS WITH OBAMA AND HOW YOU GAZE AT HIM, ARE YOU IN LOVE WITH THIS MAN, IT IS SO OBVIOUS. DO WHAT YOU WERE ELECTED FOR AND REPRESENT THE PEOPE AND STOP WASTING OUR TAX PAYER FUNDED SENATE SALARY TO CAMPAIGN FOR A MAN WHO HAS LISTENED TO THE PASTOR FOR TWENTY YEARS.

I DONT KNOW WHAT OBAMA HAS PROMISED YOU IN EXCHANGE FOR YOUR SUPPORT, BUT REMEMBER WHO PUT YOU IN OFFICE.

Claire McCaskill,

What on God’s Green Earth are you thinking?

In my household, we say “God Bless America”, —– NOT—– God Damn America. I supported Obama because of you, I am pulling my support. I might have as well just given my support to Al-Qaida. After his wife’s comments, not to mention the ignorant stupid, HIV statement.

I ask that you do what you were elected to do and stop taking time away from your fidiciuary duties to spend time and our tax paid salary on working on Obama’s campaign. It is quite noticeable how you gaze at Obama while campainging with him, are you in love with this man? If so, don’t let it blind you.

If you want my vote in your re-election bid, I suggest you dissassociate yourself from Obama immediately.

Laura,

No, but I have heard some of this man’s teachings as I have many, many other pastors and ministers, including one of my favorite teachers of the Gospel, Father Corapi who happen to be Catholic. He is is the real deal just as Rev. Wright is.

I love truth, and listening to anyone who teach God’s truth, not what people want to hear and what makes them comfortable.

I am sorry for you that you have no understanding of things of spiritual or human nature.