The blog of a CDC scientist Dr. Michael Siegel, whose many studies helped form the basis of Surgeon General Carmona’s report, mentions the St. Louis University Tobacco Prevention Center this morning:

http://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.com/

suzyjax, I agree with you. Yet my #4 post is still accurate.

Bill, I wasn’t doubting the accuracy. I just don’t think it will be open season for smoking again in Illinois. The other thing I thought of is that if businesses don’t have out ashtrays, I doubt they want everyone just flicking their ashes everywhere. For cleanliness and safety (fire hazzard?), business owners might squash the smoking.

St Louis Oracle, et al… You really need to take a full look at the sermons given by Rev. Wright. The so called “God Damn America” sermon was in fact given on April 13, 2003, not the Sunday following 9/11. The sermon given following 9/11 was the “chickens coming home to roost” sermon in which he was quoting Edward Peck, former U.S. Ambassador to Iraq and deputy director of President Reagan’s terrorism task force. Being an “Oracle” you probably already knew these things. For those of you who don’t rely on the news media to form your opinions you might want to spend a little time reading the full sermons in the context in which they were given by Reverend Wright rather than the context in which you are being force fed by the 24X7 media.

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/21/the-full-story-behind-rev-jeremiah-wrights-911-sermon/
http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/21/the-full-story-behind-wright%e2%80%99s-%e2%80%9cgod-damn-america%e2%80%9d-sermon/

Oracle,

How disappointing that you are being suckered in to these ridiculous “guilt by association” right-wing talking points. First of all, the “GD America” speech was not on the Sunday after 9/11; it was in 2003. So you might want to actually do a little research (google?) before claiming that Obama is “disingenuous.”

Second, the “chickens are coming home to roost” line from the post Sept. 11 speech is actually a quote of Edward Peck, former U.S. Ambassador to Iraq and deputy director of President Reagan’s terrorism task force. Wright never said anything in that speech about terrorists not being responsible for their actions or not being horrible people. He only made the point that anyone without their head in the sand would agree with; that the U.S.’s actions have consequences and that our continued intervention in the Middle East due to our “national interests” has played a role in the rise of terrorism around the world.

A lot has happened since last week. Obama gave a speech on the issue that 70 percent of Americans approved of. There have been a number of thoughtful analyses on the subject:
http://openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=4727
http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/21/the-full-story-behind-rev-jeremiah-wrights-911-sermon/

Yet here we have Oracle and Centrist repeating the same silliness from last week, as if time had stood still and no-one had discussed the issue over the past 7 days.

There are analyses out there; so before you post another “Obama hangs out with scary black men” comment, you might want to actually look at the analyses and see what they have to say. Oh, and by the way, Open Thread is supposed to be about local issues so you might want to put your posts somewhere else.

CENTRIST (post #7)

You’re ugly! You smell bad, and your Mother dresses you funny!

(13 comments w/o an insult… I didn’t want you to think no one cared)

Oracle,

Your argument about Obama knowing about Writes GD sermon was that it happened the Sunday after 9-11-2001.

According to ABC the sermon was delivers in 2003

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Story?id=4443788

The sermon delivered on 9-13-2001 was about America’s chickens coming home to roost. Put into context of the sermon the message was to not blame all Muslims or foreigners for what Al Queda did. That the best way to prevent terrorist attacks is to not support terrorist groups or dictators in other countries.

The words may be different but the message is not inconsistent with other UCC pastors.

Hey Centwisted! How come y’all right wing neocon Brown Shirt weblog echochambering yobbo yappers aren’t all over McCain for his knowingly seeking ang getting the support of Pastor John Hagee who has called the Roman Catholic Church; “The Great Whore…apostate church…anti-christ” and a “false cult system?”

I remember when you were cyberstalking me last year that you claimed you were Catholic. So, are you going to vote for a guy that the conservative Catholic League calls a “bigot?” It’ll be really interesting for you and Archbishop Burke to justify any vote for a guy like McCain who has sought out and received the support of anti-Catholic bigots like Hagee.

Timmy,

I swear, sometimes you come across like some rabid animal, staked to a post. Chill.

Hagee hasn’t been McCain’s pastor and mentor for twenty years. McCain never met Hagee until he was a candidate. There is no comparison. Hagee endorsed McCain. That’s it. By the way, Louis Farrakhan endorsed Obama.

I am Catholic.

Have Kirkwood’s voters finally figured out what counts as an “emergency” and what doesn’t? And exactly why we have laws relating to the conduct of elections?