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05.05.2008 11:02 am

Ron Paul supporters have their day in court, er, armory

St. Louis Post-Dispatch
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Here’s the scene: About 45 Ron Paul supporters, most of them from Republican hotbeds Greene County or St. Charles, are gathering in the gymnasium of the Jefferson City armory awaiting their fate as challenged delegates to the Republican state convention.

There’s an 80-year-old man who made the jaunt on a Monday at 10 a.m. There is Curtis Abbott, one of the Greene County ringleaders. There’s a group holding a prayer circle as the first delegate is led upstairs.

And over on the floor playing with his 3-and-a-half-year-old son Andy is Brent Stafford of St. Charles. Stafford was chairman of the St. Charles County Conference, which elected 137 delegates to the state convention, nearly all of them supporters of the failed presidential candidate, Paul.

Stafford and others believe the state party is ignoring it’s “open door” platform by challenging delegates without a reason. All of the challenged delegates in the Armory received a letter from Richard C. Peerson, the chairman of the Republican convention credentials committee. The letter did not state any reasons for the challenge.

“At least they’re giving us the illusion of due process,” Stafford said. He was referring to the 2nd Congressional District convention in which all the St. Charles delegates were unceremoniously tossed out.

The first to be called before the credentials committee today was Barry Pulley of St. Peters. Pully tried to bring Peggy Young with him. Young is an expert in parliamentary procedure who agreed to represent the challenged delegates in their secret meetings, but she was not allowed to join Pulley.

“Effectively, they were saying I was there because the entire group (of Paul delegates) was challenged,” Pulley said. He stated his case and the meeting ended. He said he still plans to attend the state convention.

Republican Party Executive Director Jared Craighead could not be reached for comment. He was in the closed-door meetings upstairs at the Armory, according to one of the Republican Party officials running the meeting.

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To tsquare, first of all, it is unfortunate that you have basically called an entire REPUBLICAN district in Texas crazy. Secondly, you won’t even put your name on your post. Are you one of the democrats that is trying to divide the republican party? We will stand unified. Before posting such things you really should find out that the person you are attacking has been elected as a Republican for many many years and the people who voted for him in his district are not crazy just because they don’t agree with you. Until all of our rights have been ceded away by our congress you still have the right to voice your opinion publicly but please stop the name calling.

— Robyn
8:14 pm May 5th, 2008

Nick Kasoff, I’m a registered Republican in Colorado. I will treat the gop just like they treated Ron Paul, so if you ask me the gop is doing a great job of losing 10-30% of their own base. Let me ask you this way. If we were on the same team,then i beat you up black and blue. You think you would team up with me after i sent you to the hospital? i think not. the gop has pretty much burnt there bridges with 1/4 of their base.
I assume the gop is planning on bringing iraqi nationals and illegals to win the general election. The GOP IS DEAD IN THE WATER with mccain and the actions of the gop to their own republicans. Thegop is throwing the election.They ran 10 candidates to marginalize Ron Paul’s Conservative Message. The gop will reap what they sow. Mccain has lost this election before it began. The gop will deserve exactly what they get.
Of course i wonder if they will waterboard me before the convention. I’m Republican, I’m not sure exactly what the gop is anymore. Registered Republican For Ron Paul and Conservative Value’s AMERICANS WANT RON PAUL ,the sheeple think they want hillary/obama/mccain(one in the same big intrusive government politicians) a majority of people i know want Ron Paul to run,they just hate to hear that dirty word”republican” I predict landslide loses across the board for republicans, you can thank the bushes and gop mccain drones for this one.. aka (NEO-CONS) Our only hope now is Ron Paul 2008 ,nothing will change with the republicrats

— kenny
8:18 pm May 5th, 2008

tssquare:

I’m not whining. I’m defecting. I cast my vote for Ron Paul in the primaries and will be voting for the Libertarian candidate in November. Simple.

— Carol
8:23 pm May 5th, 2008

T-Square - Hear me

You Wrote:
Your guy lost… get it? While we in the party loved, really loved some of the points he raised, he, Ron Paul is a 24ct flake. Continuing to back this looser is crazy on your part, and will change NOTHING

Again, I hate to bring logic and reason to counter your Polit Bureau induced rants, but…

First, we have not lost, yet. Now, I am a realist and I know the chances are incredibly low to nill. However - our goal is to make Conservatives heard once again, because we are morally, ethically and patriotically superior to neocons such as you.

Second, you could not have “really loved” some of the points he raised - because then you would be supporting him. Be honest, you found some of his ideas made sense (not “really loved”), but you didn’t want to piss off Sean Hannity or act counter to “The Party” because you are weak and unprincipled.

Third, …a Flake?…I guess when the Polit Bureau tells you that the Constitution is too old and we can just forget about it, you, of course, tuck in your corsett and bow. If wanting the Constitution to be the rule of law and followed until we all agree it should be changed, and wanting a small central government that doesn’t control every aspect of my life makes me a flake? - Then I am a full box of Wheaties!

Fourth, backing this “looser” will accomplish nothing? You have been reading articles about our struggle, haven’t you? I’d say we are starting to at least get some attention. We are going to have national delegates, make changes to state party platforms in many states, etc… And, as I’ve told my friends and family for almost a year now when they ask similarly naive statements: “It’s not the man - It’s the movement!”

Ron Paul Revolution!

— KCKent
8:29 pm May 5th, 2008

Tssquare,

Umm. No you didn’t love, really love some the points Ron Paul raised. You tittered at them. That is why we don’t believe you….

So whoever gets the Libertarian nod later this month, be it Bob Barr, Mary Ruwart, Wayne Allen Root, George Phillies, Mike Jingozian, Mike Gravel, etc — he/she’ll be getting my vote.

I do wish McCain would step aside and not be a spolier.

— Helen
8:36 pm May 5th, 2008

Mr Kasof,
If thats the reason the GOP is locking the doors on Ron Paul supporters they have a bigger problem than they realize. They are throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

Contrary to what GOP leaders and the media would have us think, alot of Ron Paul supporters are longtime Republicans with long family histories in the GOP, such as myself. My families Republican roots date back more than a century. I was thrilled when I discovered there were thousands of young and enthusiastic people excited about a Republican presidential candidate. I admit I myself was less than enthused by the field, as were alot of Republicans I associate with. Personally I had been shopping around for a new affiliation since 2004, but was holding out hope the GOP would once and for all come to their senses about liberal Republicans, what younger generations call “compassionate conservatives”, or “neo-cons”. I am by no means a “hijacker” or “infiltrator” and I resent being reffered to as such.

I was getting comfortable with the idea that the White House was a lost cause for Republicans in 2008. I figured after what the Irving Kristol wing of the party has done to this country in just the last 8 years, and the feedback I was getting from fellow Republicans, we could’nt pay people to vote Republican in 2008, let alone donate money or volunteer. Then I discovered there were all these young energetic people coming out of the woodwork to fight for a Republican candidate, and raising all kinds of money. It was like a prayer had been answered. Though I can remember as a child helping my grandfather work the Ike campaign, as an adult I’ve worked every Republican campaign since Goldwater. I have never before seen passionate enthuiasm for a Republican candidate like I’ve seen this year for Ron Paul.

Unlike past years when the liberal Republicans outmanuevered us Goldwater-Reagan Republicans they did just that, “outmanuevered” us by the book, this time they are breaking the rules to shut people out. In doing so they are throwing out a lot of longtime Republicans like me. Back in the day, they shut out Goldwater and Reagan (1976) by circling wagons of support around their candidate and won within the rules. We did’nt lock the door. Those were the good old days, when state conventions were exciting and at times heated floor strategy and arguments. We encouraged participation, we gave a little here we got a little there, we won some we lost some, they got this we got that, and through that process we could close ranks behind the nominee.

This time is different.

This time we locked the doors and cannabalized a fellow Republican, breaking the rules and marginalizing him in the media. Had we not done that, right now we’d be enjoying the same amount of media attention Obama and Clinton are getting, we’d have a whole bunch of new active Republicans in the party, we’d be looking forward to very exciting conventions and a very exciting year in politics, and we’d have a much better chance at uniting this party behind the eventual nominee.

Like it or not our nominee is going to need every vote and every dollar he can muster, to win in November. We locked out and marginalized an entire wing of the party that had youthful enthusiasm and incredible fundraising skills. We need that enthusiasm to energize this party, and to compete against Obama or Clinton supporters on university campuses and such, not to mention the future of our party. I certainly would not want to reward the GOP for disenfranshising myself and others, by giving them my vote in November. I’m not saying I’d vote Democrat, but I certainly would not vote Republican. Who would? If you were a Ron Paul supporter would you vote for the Republican after what the GOP so obvuiously did to them in front of the entire country?

— Rev. R Lee
9:28 pm May 5th, 2008

To Nick Kasoff -

You write that McCain will eliminate 4 years of earmarks……….what is that, about .00045% of our debt? Oh, he’s real change for America. Who is actually wanting to deal with our national debt? None of them are except Dr. Paul. The Democrats will most likely increase taxes yes plus continue with our overseas foreign policy. And McCain wants to continue war too; indefinitely. All of the above is going to bankrupt this nation…….and soon. Look at the dollar’s value for goodness sake. We have one candidate who has sound concrete plans to fix the economy among many other things. For anyone interested in what he stands for, read his new best-selling book “The Revolution: A Manifesto”. Educate yourselves before you vote!

— Jane
9:59 pm May 5th, 2008

The good news is that the Republican Party of Missouri DOES have time to come to its senses. Today’s gathering was just to inform the credentials committee. The credentials committee at least technically doesn’t decide today, but instead reports their recommendations at the state convention at the end of May. They could decide that all of these challenges are bunk, and allow everyone to participate. The assembly could also choose not to accept an unfair recommendation. Either should happen, because the spirit of challenges is certainly not to throw entire groups of people out. However, their bs has probably served its purpose - demoralizing people who might otherwise have been there.

People came into this movement because they believed in a man who took Republican Party principles to heart - small government, lower taxes, individual freedom. With the one exception of his Libertarian presidential run, the man has been a Republican since before Ronald Reagan was President.

It’s just very disheartening to think that this party and political outlook that gives us hope everyday via talk radio that there is some common sense left in this country is showing none of it, and instead resorting to the bullying tactics that we’re used to hearing about from Democrats. There’s purporting to be fair and decent, and there’s actually being so. The Republican Party right now is not living up to their moral high ground.

We just want freedom for goodness sakes. We don’t NEED any more government. All of these things Republicans supposedly believe in there is ONE man who always operates from them, yet somehow to have that ONE great citizen statesman as your hero makes you “not a republican” with nothing more? The state’s rules are merely that delegates be a strong and faithful republican VOTER. Let’s for once in this seemingly endless march towards global socialism just wake up and STOP being foolish and superficial, and unite for what is right! The Republican Party of Missouri names its offices after Ronald Reagan, who if he could would undoubtedly demand they stop using his name if they continue with these shenanigans.

I’ve never voted Democrat, nor will I. But this party might just be losing me forever, and I dare say I would not be alone.

— Larry in KC
1:07 am May 6th, 2008

Remember we had a primary election. Missouri is a take all State. Why do the Ron Paul supporters now want to change the rules after over 5 million people have voted? If you don’t want to play fair pick up your marbles and go home but quit trying to blame everyone else because Ron Paul only got 4% of the vote.

— Espresso
7:13 am May 6th, 2008

Please….I know this is a late posting on this issue, but this whole delegate challenge thing has nothing to do with conservatism, Ron Paul, Ronald Reagan, John McCain or anything else. It has everything, 100%, to do with the rules of the Feb. 5th presiedential primary in Missouri…More than a year ago, the Republican Party decided that the primary election for president in Missouri would be ‘winner take all’, meaning that whoever won the Missouri Republican Primary would win the votes of all of the 58 delegates to the GOP National convention. At that tium, no one came to the party and said this was unfar, no one came to the party and suggested that this arrangment be changed. The election took place last Feb. 5th. John McCain won the most votes in the state and was declared the winner. Per the rules, he is entitled to all 58 delegate votes from the state of Missouri. These were the rules all candidates understood and went into the election playing by.

Now, for whatever reason, the Ron Paul supporters decide that they do not like John McCain or his positions, nor do they like the wineer takes all aspect of the primary and they decided that they will either try to change the rules at the state convention to allow Ron Paul to get his 4.5% (the % he won in Missouri) of the 58 delegates (2 delegates) or they want to create ‘chaos’ as his website suggested at the convention to tell people they should change their votes for Ron Paul.

This is all about changing the rules of the game after the game has been over for several months and the results have been decided and published. I just wish those Ron Paul folks who are behind this would be honest and tell everyone that its not about principles, its not about fairnes,, but its all about being unable to accept the results of the election and whining about changing the rules after the game has been played.

— West End Guy
8:15 am May 6th, 2008

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