Now, I like Graham, but I don’t recall him being Catholic.

Surely, he wouldn’t stop to think that he could actually use the Catholic Church for politics?

Jo,
As I understand it, this legislation would actually go to voters in August and that way it could be used in the November election. Is that correct?

Jim, I hope you have the same feelings to Bishop Burke as you do Senator Graham…

How can anyone be against a photo ID rule? Only if you support voter fraud would you be against this.

How can you be FOR a voter ID amendment to the Missouri Constitution which would cruelly and unecessarily strip away the voting rights of some 160,000 Missouri citizens (mostly minorities, the elderly and disabled)?

Only if you are a racist, facist, agist and vicious Republican!

This doesn’t strip away anyone’s right to vote. Anyone who does not have an ID (and they already identified them through driver records) will be able to obtain a free ID. Those over 65 have an alternate method than a birth certificate. Those who can’t get to a license office can have a mobile van come to their home. How much easier can this be? Any argument you present has been addressed in this bill.

The next time you go to vote and find that someone else has voted in your name (this happens very often on election day) you will wish the person had had to show a photo ID. The person who fraudulently voted is long gone by the time the real person comes to vote so there is nothing that can be done. That is why it never makes the headlines but is one of the biggest fraud problems. The photo ID would help eliminate this form of fraud.

There is no logical reason to be against every voter identifying themselves with a photo ID.

Oldtimer says “The next time you go to vote and find that someone else has voted in your name (this happens very often on election day) you will wish the person had had to show a photo ID. The person who fraudulently voted is long gone by the time the real person comes to vote so there is nothing that can be done. That is why it never makes the headlines but is one of the biggest fraud problems. The photo ID would help eliminate this form of fraud.”

Name one time this has happened and to whom? Should be easy since it happens “very often on election day”.

As an election judge in the 2004 general elections it didn’t happen in the polling place I worked. In fact in my more than 30 years worth of voting it never happened to me.

This is just another way of suppressing the vote by the republicans.

If there are 160,000 voters that do not have the necessary voting ID and they reuest the mobile van how long will it take to get there? This bill is nothing more than an attempt to surpess the voters.

Actually, the ‘mobile vans’ will not come to a person’s home. in 2006 when this was going on the mobile units when to a select list of facilities and only assisted people who were ‘clients’ or ‘residents’ of those facilities. It was very difficult to find out where those units would be in the first place. then, turned out, it didn’t matter, because members of the community couldn’t be assisted.
I know it’s hard for most of us to imagine. But for some people this is a hardship. For people who don’t have an extra 10 bucks or so to get a birth certificate - who can’t get to where they need to go during the day to get the ID, etc…. their voice still counts and so should their vote.

Bubba, I bet the ACLU in Indiana wishes they had you on their research staff. When asked to produce a voter who would be “disenfranchised”, they couldnt produce one.

The nun story is kind of being misreported (SURPRISE!), IAW the law, they were offered provisional ballots, they didnt accept them.

Si Vis, when do provisional ballots count?

From indystar.com

“8:01 AM — Double glitches hit Warren precinct
A �perfect storm� of two polling problems temporarily halted Democratic voting at a Warren Township precinct this morning, officials said.

Precinct 22 at Warren Central High School opened without Democratic ballots, and then a touch-screen voting machine used as a backup failed, said Angie Nussmeyer, spokeswoman for the Marion County Clerk�s office.

�We resolved the issue by printing new Democratic ballots, which are being deployed as we speak,� Nussmeyer said shortly about 7:30 a.m. A technician was dispatched to fix the touch-screen machine, which is normally used for voters with disabilities who cannot use the optical-scan paper ballots.

Republican voters were not affected. New paper ballots were on hand and voting resumed by 7:45 a.m.”

Marion County. Thousands of votes are missing on 66 missing memory cards (e-ballot boxes). Marion County Clerk Doris Anne Sadler (R) says this occurs every election. “Usually it doesn’t make a difference in the outcome of an election, so no one pays attention to that. But in this case it could make or break a candidate’s position,” she said. So far 23 cards have been found.

Thanks, Chuck, for insisting on a precedent that nuns are the ONLY individuals who can be sheltered from an unconstitutional poll tax, and the rest of us can simply be deprived of our Constitutional right for equal access to the polls…..

Oldtimer,
This does NOT happen at all on election day, let alone the “very often” you quote. I have worked as an election judge and as a deputy commissioner on election day. Not once I have heard about, seen, or had this issue implied to happen. The only thing remotely close to that I have seen is where a voter signs on the wrong line. But, then it is either caught immediately or very obvious that “Bob Jones” signed on “Beth Jones” line. That is an issue that would NOT be solved by Voter ID.

Si Vis Fullofcrap,
Actually, if you will read the briefs of the SCOTUS case there are several individuals who are noted as being disenfranchised under the Indiana law.

Suzyjax & BubbaUnion, it DOES happen a lot on election day. Maybe not in the polling place you worked in but as a Roving Deputy for 20+ years I have been called out many, many times to certain Wards because a voter came to vote and someone had already voted for them. It was for this very reason that the first photo ID bill was suggested, because of just such cases.

No one can give any logical or credible reason not to prove who you are before you should be allowed to vote.

What is every one so scared about. Is this not what democracy is all about. Let the people of the great State of Missouri decide if we want photo ID for voting. It is ironic that the Dems are fighting an issue that allows the people to vote on a voting issue. They wanted the people to vote on minimum wage, but not on ‘voting safe guards’–very strange.
Another thought, I need a government issued photo ID to purchase a firearm. Owning a firearm is a Missouri constitutional right. If I don’t show a photo ID to a FFL dealer, and I am denied, is that not violating my constituional rights?